Show Notes:Links:AmethystPopClipAlfred shortcutsHacker New Ubuntu 20.04 ThreadAnsibleJosh's dotfilesMathias Shell ScriptsUltraFineBartenderTranscript:Starr:I'm the type of tiling Window manager user that never changes any of their layout, basically. I'm the type of tiling Window manager that like has all applications open full screen except for like my terminals, which I have a vertical split. And so, I've got two of those open on a single screen. I actually don't know any shortcuts to any of the Window managers I've ever used. I have to look them up every single time.Josh:Yeah. Yeah, that's the great thing about Amethyst, it is the one that's based on ... It's has nothing to do with Haskell, but it's based on xmonad. But the key bindings are all like ... There's not really much way to change them, it's all pretty simple. It's a lot simpler to use the key bindings than it is to use the Haskell.Starr:I use Magnet for my Windows manager.Josh:Yeah, that's what I've been using too.Starr:Yeah, I really like that. The key combos are easy to remember to put stuff in the various places. I'm always like corner or half or top or bottom, it's super easy.Josh:Yeah, that's what I've been doing. It's a different approach. Amethyst, I've used it before and it is really nice because it automatically tiles, it's not like ... Magnet is kind of you just set up, basically, your halves or whatever.Starr:That's been around for a while, right?Josh:Yeah.Starr:Okay. Yeah, I just used to use that, I think.Josh:There's a bunch of them like that.Ben:We're talking about Mac tools today because-Josh:I guess we are. I could go forever on that.Starr:I've got a feature request for the makers of Amethyst who I know are dedicated listeners to FounderQuest. For the love of all things good in the world, can we please have a dropdown menu that lets you select different Window actions? Why do I have to use hotkeys, because maybe I want to do something that I do once every six months and I don't want to have to look up the hotkey for it and then try and make my fingers go into that weird chord position.Josh:Because it wouldn't be a pure tiling Window manager.Starr:I know, it's like come on, just give me a dropdown. It's not pure anyway, let's be honest. There's little bars at the top of the Windows, I can minimize things, I can drag things around, it's not pure anyway. It's already debased-Josh:It's not written in Haskell but you got to draw the line somewhere, and the line is dropdown menus.Starr:It's like a menu. It's like a GUI, okay. Okay, fine-Josh:You're totally making want ... I'm going to have to go try Amethyst again, you're making me want to go check it out. You might look ... There was like a configuration, I think it has a JSON configuration file or something that you can edit.Starr:Okay.Josh:Which is exactly what you were looking for if you were looking for a dropdown menu.Ben:Do either of you use PopClip?Starr:No, what's that?Josh:No.Ben:PopClip is a little extension thing ... I don't know how you describe it, what do they call it? I don't even know what they call it. I'm looking at their website and they don't really say. But basically, any time you select text, then this little popup pops up right above your cursor. And it's extendable, you can choose what kind of things appear in the little menu that pops up, but by default it does things like copy and paste, but also there's a little search icon. If there's a text you want to search on instead of having to right click, that's much too much work to do, so you can just hit that little search icon. Or there's a dictionary one so you can define something.Ben:But I use it a lot because it has an Alfred connection as well, so I will ... I have a bunch of Alfred shortcuts for things like jumping to one of our user records in our admin tool, and so, if I highlight let's say a user ID, then I can ... It'll give the popup, I can then choose Alfred and then I can type in my shortcut and boom, because it puts whatever's highlighted into that little Alfred box for you.Starr:Oh, that's really cool.Ben:It's super handy.Josh:That's cool.Starr:You know what's really amusing to me is that ... Because I've been working with you all for so long it's like we sort of like swap ... Okay, we kind of like swap places in weird ways. I remember a long time ago I'd be like, "Okay, I'm using Alfred, what you using, Ben?" And it's like, "Oh, I'm just using Spotlight." And now it's like reversed, it's like, "I just used Spotlight," and it's like, "Oh, Ben's using Alfred now."Ben:Yeah. Yeah, I love Alfred.Ben:I actually also use Spotlight. The reason why is Alfred I've never really gotten it to work the way I want it to work for looking up files and folders. If there's a file or a folder that I want, I use Spotlight. But anything else, basically, I use Alfred.Josh:Yeah, file search in Spotlight seems pretty advanced. It's got all the indexing and stuff built into it.Starr:Yeah. It seems like it'd be really hard to get right.Ben:But one thing I love about Alfred is the Safari shortcut support and one password support. If there's a site I know I want to go to, boom, Alfred, it's three characters away.Josh:Yeah.Ben:And if I have a login I want, if it's a log in thing I can just type in my one password name for it and, boom, it goes there and fills it in for me. It's brilliant.Josh:I haven't decided if I want to enable that or not yet because you have to go enable third party access or whatever to your one password database.Ben:That's true.Josh:I don't know. I've gotten kind of in the habit of using whatever they call one password mini or whatever in the toolbar.Starr:Yeah.Josh:Because they have a system wide hotkey for it, it's like shift command/ or something.Ben:Oh, I didn't know that.Josh:That'll pop it up. I do that instead.Ben:I should do that.Josh:Yeah, I don't know. Just something about enabling third party application access to my passwords. Even though I think it's ... It's not the passwords themselves, it's just the index.Josh:The metadata.Ben:Right.Josh:I don't know.Ben:Yeah.Josh:But, yeah. One of my favorite tips, I forgot ... Someone posted this on Twitter a long time ago and I don't remember who it was, but ... Maybe it was one of you. If you option click the notification center icon in the toolbar, it will toggle do not disturb.Ben:Yes, I love that.Josh:That is a great one.Starr:Oh, wait. Really? Okay, I'm going to try it now.Josh:Yeah. I use it all the time.Starr:It's option, and that's alt, right?Josh:That's alt.Starr:Okay.Josh:Option click.Starr:Oh, wow. That's nice.Josh:Isn't that cool?Starr:I...

Show Notes:Links:StripeSpam Nation by Brian KrebsBad To The Bone by George ThorogoodGrammarlyEgghead.ioUdemyChris OliverJumpstartHeyaLambyStimulusReflexAndrew MasonRemote Ruby podcastHoneybadgerFull Transcript:Josh:So I'm sitting in my chair with this laptop and the thing literally crashes in my lap. And when I turn it back on, it gives me that blinking folder. The blinking folder. I don't know if you've ever seen the blinking folder, Ben says he hasn't.Starr:I've never seen it.Josh:The blinking folder is what you get when there is no hard drive attached to the system.Starr:Oh, no. What's there? Is there a hard drive in it?Josh:There was. It's not finding it anymore.Starr:I mean, is there one physically in there?Josh:There is a physical hard drive in the system. Yes.Starr:Okay, that's good. That's good.Josh:However, the hard drive I suspect has finally croaked. So now I've had to... I've literally had like two laptops die on me in one week. I don't know if I'm cursed or something.Starr:Well that's what you get for using that cheap aftermarket hardware.Josh:Right, yes probably. Just, I probably should never have upgraded the hardware, the hard drive. Anyway fingers crossed because if this Mac mini kicks the bucket then it really is back to Linux.Ben:It's just the universe's way of telling you it's time to take a vacation.Josh:I think you're right Ben. I've been saying that I could use a vacation.Starr:You two were talking about taking vacations and then like the world ends, so-Josh:Well, yeah that's like, the world ends and then it seems like... I don't know I've just been feeling pressure to get stuff done. I don't know.Ben:Yeah getting stuff done is a good thing.Josh:Yeah, it... Actually making progress on something is one way to kind of combat anxiety too.Ben:Well, speaking of getting stuff done. So while you've been trying to actually get anything done this week, I've been working on the... I was going to go on vacation, I was thinking about taking time off but then you said, "Well, I could use your help on this task." And so I'm like, okay, I'll help you with that. And that was two weeks ago and I thought it was going to take two days but it didn't end up taking two days. So what I've been working on-Josh:Sorry.Ben:That's totally fine. You know like sometimes the thing that's great about being one of the few people at Honeybadger is that we get to decide what we do, right? We don't have deadlines that we have to meet, We don't have like deliverables that we promised. And so when you have a case like this, where I felt like, there's something I want to get done here, we can just do it. So the task you gave me was to get some new pricing support ready. So we have some new pricing that we want to deploy. It's going to require some changes in our app too, because we're changing how we're structuring the pricing.Ben:And I'm like, yeah, I can bust it out real quick. And so then I looked at doing that and the way that... So Stripe has changed how they arrange the products and the plans and how you do pricing, since we launched with Stripe, seven or eight years ago. And I decided I wanted to use this new approach that Stripe has but the trick there is that you have to use the new API version or a recent API version. And we were not using a recent API version. We were using an API version that we started using back eight years ago. Which happened to be an API version of Stripe's from like, 2011. So-Josh:2011.Ben:Yeah. So I decided, you know what-Starr:It was year, you know?Ben:Yeah, it was a good year.Josh:It's a good vintage of API, like-Starr:Yeah. Exactly.Josh:Got to hand it to it.Starr:Like some people call that legacy, I call it vintage.Ben:Well, either way, props to Stripe for how they do their API versioning. It is freaking awesome. Like, you can stay on that old version as long as you want, basically, they will support it until the end of the internet, looks like.Josh:Yeah.Ben:And they have a really awesome way to manage the upgrade process, when you decide you do an upgrade and their documentation is very clear about changes that have happened between the different API versions.Josh:Yeah, I don't want to like jump ahead of you too far. But I was going to say, I noticed when I was reviewing the pull request that you sent, it looks like we're supporting both versions of the API for now or something like that. Is that true or did I misread that?Ben:That is true. So yeah.Josh:Yeah.Ben:So I just decided to go ahead and bite the bullet and do the upgrade of the API. Because I'm like, you know what, this is an area of technical debt that we should probably just pay down on some. And so as I was looking at the different payload formats, they're not dramatically different. Which is nice but there are some key differences. And there're two aspects, right? There's the outbound API request that you make, like when we want to update a card. We have to make a request to update the customer record.Josh:Mm-hmm (affirmative).Ben:But then there's also the handling of webhooks, right? And those webhook payloads also changed a little bit. And I knew that we could deploy the new version of our app with using the new API version but the webhooks would still be coming in as the old version. Until I went into the Stripe dashboard and changed that. Again, they're very good about, you can manage which API version you want. So I decided that we'll support both versions so that I could deploy the app, not have to worry about the timing of changing that setting in Stripe. Then go to stripe and change that setting and not have the app have to have an immediate deployment. So, kind of a straddling the river kind of thing.Josh:Basically, we've shaved all the yaks and we're ready to-Ben:I made a major payment on that technical debt.Starr:Yeah, we've completely like swapped out our old like Vim plugins for like new Vim plugins?Josh:Yeah.Ben:And it's, I think one of the reasons why it took so long is I did spend extra time on those tests because you don't want the billing system to break, right? You don't want to not be able to take people's credit cards.Josh:Oh, yeah.Ben:And to fail on those webhooks. So we have a lot of logic that happens when people's payments... You know things change and we don't want any of that to break.Josh:Yeah and I'm glad that you did.Ben:So one benefit of doing this work, aside from having that technical debt paid down and feeling all nice and shiny on the new API version, is that we also upgraded two major versions of the Stripe JS. So you know, we use th...

Show Notes:Links:VoltronTransformersGobotsThundercatsAnimal CrossingStardw ValleyFactorioDependabotGumroadShopifyStripePinky and the BrainFull Transcript:Starr:Did you prefer Voltron over Transformers? Which team were you on?Ben:I guess I did, because I don't remember watching much in the way of Transformers, but I did watch a lot of Voltron, so.Starr:Oh really? That's a shame. Transformers were great.Ben:I'll take your word for...Josh:I like the name Voltron better. Voltron's a pretty good name.Starr:Well, can we all just agree the Gobots just suck? Let's just all agree to hate the Gobots.Ben:But I think perhaps Thundercats were better than both Voltron and...Starr:Oh, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. Thundercats for life.Josh:Are we the Thundercats of air trackers?Ben:Honey badgers go.Starr:I don't think a honey badger is technically a cat.Ben:I decided to try out Animal Crossing this morning.Josh:Oh really?Starr:Oh good. How do you like it? I've been playing in too.Ben:Well, it's not very exciting. It's a very slow pace kind of thing.Starr:Oh, yeah.Ben:That's the goal. That's the point, right? And I was like, "Yah, I'll check this out. Maybe it'll help me relax." And I'm like, "Now what do I do? Now what do I do? Now what do I do?" This is not helping me relax.Starr:Oh yeah. It is kind of a bunch of tasks.Josh:That's maybe not for everyone.Starr:But you do get to a point where you can kind of just goof around. I got it and then I played 20 minutes every three days or something for a couple of weeks just because I was like, "I don't know if I want to go gather this wood right now." But then you get over a hump and then it's more of an open world and you can kind of just sort of make it your own.Ben:I think part of my problem was my son's been playing it for a while now and he's got this nice house with all this cool stuff in it and I show up and I got a tent. I'm like, "Oh. I want a nice house."Josh:You've got to put the work in. Got to put the time in. He plays Minecraft too, doesn't he? Or did?Ben:He used to. Yeah.Josh:Okay. Do you ever play that with him?Ben:Yep. Yep. Yeah. And they totally eclipsed me. It was no contest. I had, "Hey, I got two blocks together", and they've got the Taj Mahal. I'm like, "Oh, all right."Starr:Yeah. Everybody's gives Tom Nook such a hard time for being such a capitalist, but you know, I'm just saying, I want, I want a house loan with no interest and no payback schedule and I can pay it off reasonably with, with a couple hours work gathering nuts and berries.Ben:So I started playing this morning because I read an article in the Atlantic about the game and I really enjoyed one of the angles. The article was like, "Maybe this is an indication of where we can take our society, where people are doing things they want to do but not under the pressure of having to pay back a serious mortgage", and all this kind of stuff.Ben:And I was like, "Hmm."Josh:Everyone has their own island where they live with a bunch of artificially intelligent NPCs and we can occasionally visit but it's rare.Starr:There you go. And if you save up your Nook Miles, you can buy a ticket to an island that's covered in spiders.Ben:Ooh.Ben:Well yeah I read that those spiders are actually, that's the way you make the real bucks. You collect those tarantulas, right?Starr:Well I mean there's the real spider island. So I looked into this. There's the real spider island, which is just a thing in the game and then for a while there was a bug in the game. Where you could force tarantulas to spawn infinitely. But they kind of did a patch that didn't get rid of it entirely, but it kind of made it less game-breaking.Josh:That's cool.Ben:Fun.Josh:So.Ben:So maybe I'll report back in a week or so and be like, "I love this game", and I won't be able to work for a month cause I'll be playing Animal Crossing. We'll see.Starr:Well I hope you. We all need some relaxation these days.Josh:Maybe Animal Crossing is really a metaphor for reality.Ben:It's the world they wish we lived in.Starr:Yeah, definitely.Josh:I wish I could spawn tarantulas at will. That would be a pretty cool defense mechanism.Ben:That would be pretty cool.Starr:Yeah. If that one doesn't work for you, I'm telling you Stardew Valley might be more your jam too.Josh:I've heard that one's really good. Yeah,Ben:I heard that I'm supposed to avoid Factorio at all costs.Starr:I don't even know what that is.Ben:Apparently it's a really addictive game. I don't know much about it because I've avoided it.Josh:My problem with these games is just...Starr:It's the one where you take one number and you multiply it by itself minus one and then you just keep doing that?Ben:The game goes really quickly.Josh:It's a pen and paper. Yeah. I don't have the attention span for, for these games anymore. That's why I just play first person shooters, just mayhem for 30 minutes to an hour and then I'm done.Ben:You want to get your Twitch on and then get back to real life?Josh:Yeah. It's rare that I get immersed in, in a game like that. Occasionally I guess one will come along, but it hasn't happened for awhile. Except for Ruby programming. I think that's really what ruined. Developing kind of ruined everything for me because that's...Starr:You know what? When you said that, I just realized Ruby is the Animal Crossing of the programming world.Josh:Is it?Starr:Yeah. Yeah. If Ruby was a game it would be Animal Crossing, which is kind of nice. So what are we talking about today?Ben:Talking about Animal Crossing.Ben:You know, since you talked about Heya in our last episode, but we didn't get around and talking about the backend of how we're actually doing Heya, I thought that'd be kind of fun to talk about because it's kind of fun to build.Starr:Wait, what do you mean how we're doing the back end? I thought it was an open source project that you installed in your own app and everything. So what sort of back end would that be?Ben:Well, we have to have a website to tell people about it and then we have to have a way to take people's money because we're actually selling licenses.Starr:I mean, technically they give us their money. We don't take it. They give it to us.Ben:You know it's kind of like Tom Nook. Yeah.Starr:We make them an offer they can't refuse.Ben:We're not going to force you to pay us, but...Josh:Full transparency, we haven't taken anyone's money yet.B...

This week Ben, Starr, and Josh break down Heya, their freshly shipped open source email campaign mailer for Rails developers. Learn how Heya works, how it can help with GDPR and Soc 2 compliance, and how it saves Honeybadger $$$ in Intercom and Segment costs. Plus, don't miss the hot thermometer takes!Show Notes:Links:HeyaRuby WeeklyAction MailerIntercomCustomer.ioSegmentGDPRMixpanelSoc 2Prosperity Public LicenseMailCatcherGinsu Flex TapeHoneybadgerFull Transcript:Starr:I saw some article about how some grocery stores like taking people's temperatures before they let them in.Ben:Yeah?Starr:And the one they showed actually projected, using a laser, the temperature reading on the person's forehead.Ben:Nice.Starr:And I thought that was so cool. And I was like, "I want one of those." And so I actually started searching for it. And I was like, "What if you want to take your own temperature?" Then you have to go to a mirror and-Ben:Shoot yourself in the head.Starr:Shoot yourself in the head. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think about that imagery. That's kind of gross. Oh, Lord. There are all sorts of problems with that, now that I think about it. So, yeah. We just got an old fashioned digital thermometer.Josh:Every other morning. You just wake up and go into the mirror and you're just like.Starr:I don't know if you guys have this, but I realized that I have this thing sort of hung over from childhood, which was back when I was a kid, it was pretty common still for people to have mercury thermometers.Ben:I still have it.Starr:You still have one? Yeah.Ben:Yeah.Starr:Mercury thermometers are a... I mean, it might break. But-Ben:It's the gold standard, man.Josh:Yeah.Starr:It's the gold standard, yeah. That's what they use in chemistry labs, still use a mercury thermometer. But the one thing that I was always scared to do. They tell you when you're a kid, "Well if you bite down on it, and it breaks, then you're going to have mercury in your mouth." And that basically just means you're going to die immediately. I mean, not really. But that's the impression I got. And so even though our thermometer now is digital, I still have this anxiety. It's like, don't bite down on it. You know?Ben:Yeah. Honestly, I'd be more concerned about the broken glass in my mouth than I would about the mercury.Josh:The glass could be a problem. Yeah. Yeah.Starr:Yeah, I guess so.Josh:Yeah we have one of the forehead contact ones, and it works pretty good. Yeah.Ben:Yeah, the reason why we have four thermometers is we had the original, the glass one. That was our first one. And then we upgraded and got the digital one when the first kid was born. And then at some point later, we got one of those forehead ones. And that was great. And then when the older one went off to college, one of the recommendations from... They had the orientation for parents as well as orientation for the kids.Ben:And the orientation for parents, they said, the medical person got up and said, "If you don't send anything else with your student, send a thermometer." Because they get so many reports of kids not feeling well. They could have called the clinic and say, "Hey, I'm not feeling well." And I'm like, "Well do you have a fever?" And the kid's like, "I don't know." And they're like, "Well do you have a thermometer?" And the answer's always, "No." So they said, "So please send them with a thermometer." And so we got one. We got a thermometer and set him up. Now he's back at home, so now we have four. So that's how we have four thermometers in our household.Josh:Smart. Yeah, I can imagine not many college kids have a thermometer.Starr:All right. So today I think we're going to take a mild break from simply talking about the fact that everything outside of our little bubbles is on fire, and we're going to talk about some cool news that Josh actually shipped something, and we're going to talk about it. And that thing-Josh:Josh and Ben.Starr:Josh and Ben. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Ben.Ben:But mostly Josh.Josh:Ben did all the cool stuff.Starr:Yeah, I'm just saying I didn't do anything. That's all. That's why I'm announcing it. Yeah. So this week we released Heya, which is Josh's sort of email marketing gem Rails engine thing. So what does it mean to say that we released it? What's the state of it?Josh:Well it's been on our GitHub, if you went and looked for it, for a few months at least now. It's open source. It's just a GitHub repo. But this week we announced it and started talking a little bit about it. I posted on Reddit. And then it got picked up by Ruby Weekly this week too. So that kind of got it some attention, and more people know what it is now. Which is, it's basically a campaign mailer, like a sequenced mailer, for Rails. So it works kind of like, I don't know if you're familiar with Action Mailer? Sending you just vanilla emails in Rails. This basically feels just like Action Mailer, but it lets you send sequences of emails. And the emails within sequences can be segmented. So you can send different emails to different people who enter a campaign. So it's very similar to Intercom or Customer.io. But it's a direct plugin self-hosted in your Rails app with direct access to your user database, which is my favorite part.Starr:Yeah. And it's a little bit timely, just sort of accidentally, because the main reason that Josh sort of really wanted to do this, let me just talk for you, Josh. Let me speak for you.Josh:Yeah, please do.Starr:Or that we wanted to do this is because we were paying a really large amount of money to Intercom for essentially this one feature. Are we allowed to say how much money we spent? Does anybody remember?Josh:Yeah. Well we were paying... It was around a thousand a month, I think, at one point. And then that's also not including Segment, for instance. We were using Segment to send our data to Intercom and a few other places, and that was another $400 a month. So we were probably all in for $1500, $1400/1500 a month I would guess.Starr:Okay. So it's a pretty big chunk of change.Josh:Yeah.Ben:That was even with trimming the user database from time to time, to keep the cost down.Josh:Yeah we were doing all the stuff. We were doing all the things that people do with Intercom.Starr:Because they go by the user, right?Josh:Yeah.Starr:So you can't actually store all your users in there. You've got to-Josh:Yeah.Ben:Yeah.Josh:And when we say user, we mean user in your database, not users that can use Intercom. It's how many users of your app you are wanting to message. So we were storing just our active users, and still it was astronomical.Ben:Yeah. Which ...

Show Notes:Links:TupleGoogle HangoutsJitsiWebRTCNotionEpictetusSphere Andromeda StrainStillness is the KeyChopinHoneybadgerFull Transcript:Josh:I see we've got doom and gloom on the agenda today.Starr:Oh yeah. I put doom and gloom on the agenda.Ben:It's a good thing you had that reminder that there is doom and gloom, because otherwise we'd forget.Starr:I mean, we do tend to be a little bit flip. Or, by we, I mean me. So, you know-Josh:It's just my way, the jokes are my way of coping with the world.Starr:Yeah. Yeah. It's ... We're joking through the tears now. So in the past couple of episodes of FounderQuest, trademark, we kind of just were dealing with the fallout of having to be home, in quarantine, and all of that. Just sort of talking about how it's affected our work lives and stuff. We really hadn't, at that point, stopped to figure out exactly, okay, what does this mean in terms of our business? Because there is obviously an economic downturn in progress, and we don't really know how that's going to pan out. So yeah, that's what this podcast is going to be about. Since then, we sort of went into this seclusion, we had our first ever remote conclave. We'll talk a little bit about that, and the process we used for that, which actually turned out to be kind of awesome. Yeah. So we're still here, though, right? We're still shipping errors to people.Josh:We are.Ben:Yeah, we're still ...Josh:Yeah, well-Ben:Still catching errors.Josh:We missed a podcast last week for the first time in a while, I think.Ben:Yeah, I think the doom and gloom were hitting us, it was getting real.Josh:Yeah, it was hitting us last week. I don't know about you, you all, but I was just kind of too bummed out to really record.Ben:Yeah, I was kind of in the same boat. Since we had been talking about Covid the past couple of weeks, I was like, "You know what? I just don't want to record another podcast about Covid."Josh:Can we record another ... Yeah. Yeah.Starr:Yeah, I think everybody is kind of sick of it at this point. I know I am. I was ... Last night, I was sitting on the couch with my partner, and we were chatting. I was just like, I've got to think about something to talk about other than the state of the world, other than ... Like our kid, who we're with constantly now, because she's home from daycare. It was ... Food, like cooking was, I think, our savior then. We both like to cook, we've been actually eating very well, because who knows how long that's going to last, right? So you might as well enjoy life while you've got it.Josh:When you got all of this time on your hands.Starr:Yeah. Yeah. It's ...Josh:That's all you have to do.Starr:Yeah. It's weird. It's like there is certain tasks you can do with a kid. You can cook dinner with a kid, you know, underfoot. But you can't really record a podcast with a kid underfoot. You can't really write with a kid underfoot. I don't know. By underfoot, I mean climbing on top, and hitting you with the broom, and doing all that fun stuff that kids do.Josh:Yeah. You did, you recorded a ... Well, not recorded, but you all did a ... DIdn't you do a Zoom session with your daycare a few weeks back, or something like that?Starr:Oh my gosh, yes. We did.Josh:All the kids.Starr:It was cute. But let me tell you, I had a flipping panic attack doing IT support for that call. Because I had it all set up, the computer was hooked up to the TV, so that all the little kids would be big, so that it would be ... I don't know, I just though it would be nicer. I was like, "Okay, well, I'm just going to move this laptop up here," and in doing so, I jostled the HDMI cable, which caused the connection to the TV to go down. Then that, for some reason, that caused my computer to completely freeze up for like five minutes.Josh:Naturally.Starr:Yeah. Until it just magically popped back up like nothing had happened.Josh:Oh, did it come back, was everyone still there?Starr:No, they were gone.Josh:Oh, okay.Starr:Like, I don't know if it rebooted, I don't know if it just-Josh:Yeah, it dropped, and then, yeah, it just came back.Starr:I don't know if the screen just shut off. But I was trying to force power it down and everything. But it's just like, "Nope, sorry. We're on break."Ben:Speaking of Zoom, I guess we could mention that we've been playing with alternatives this week, right? We use Zoom with our podcast, but we decided this week, with all of the security craziness around Zoom, we decided, "Let's try some other stuff that's out there." We tried Hangouts, and we tried Jitsi, and they're just not as good as Zoom, unfortunately.Starr:Yeah.Josh:So, I mean, Zoom got one thing, at least, right, which might be the cause of their security concerns. But it's very easy to use. It works well. So there is very low friction. But apparently, there is also very low friction for randos to join your call, and yell at you.Starr:Well, the video conferencing just works better. I'm sorry, but it's like, that's ... It seems like all the web based ones all have a similar ... I don't know, they all have a bit more glitchy-ness in terms of video and it's just kind of annoying.Ben:Yeah, that to me is it. Zoom is just, the video is better, period.Starr:And I wonder if that's because they're all... The web ones, I assume all use web RTC and that's probably just running Chrome's web RTC, I don't know, stuff under the hood. I can't believe even-Josh:Well, Ben set up a self hosted one that used web RTC.Ben:Yeah, I did see.Josh:And had pretty similar results.Starr:Yeah.Ben:Yeah, I found this awesome Terraform recipe for deploying a Jitsi instance, and it was great.Josh:That's cool.Ben:It was pretty awesome. But yeah, just the video quality just wasn't there. But hey, if we ever decide to do huge meet the Honey Badgers kind of thing with our customers, then that would be a good way to go, right?Josh:Yeah, that would.Starr:Oh totally. That'd be a great way to go. Starr:Okay. So yeah, taking us back to last... I wish I had one of those harp sound effects for flashbacks.Josh:Yeah, we could throw that in.Starr:Yeah. So taking us back to last Friday, we did have a call that was... Normally we would be recording the podcast at 10:00 but instead we did a call because I had been looking at some numbers in preparation for our conclave and given the economic situation, I was feeling nervous about those numbers. And I think Ben had also been looking at numbers around that. And so we decided to have a serious business meeting instead of doing the podcast.Starr:And as a result of that, that was one of the shittiest days of my business career, guys, be...

Show Notes:This week on FounderQuest, it's a cutting room floor clips episode. Hear vintage, unreleased clips of episodes that you weren't supposed to hear. Discussions include: 90's software stores, Alan Turing, water heaters, buying top quality spyware dongles from China and even FounderQuest itself! Links:WishApple Arcade BearDay One Babbage’sUsenetSpencer’s GiftsCharles BabbageAlan TuringNaive BayesWhat The GolfNintendo SwitchFull Transcript:Ben Findley:Hello there. This is Ben Findley, the other Ben at Honeybadger. Don't worry, you don't have to hear my voice for very long. Before we begin, this is just a heads up that this episode will be a bit different. Josh, Ben and Starr were hunkered down this week and weren't able to record an episode.Ben Findley:We didn't want anyone to go through withdrawals, so I scoured the cutting room floor for old bits of Maxell UR90 and spliced them together to present you with this, FrankenQuest. As a warning, there are no tips on bootstrapping assess business. If you tuned in for that, you may want to see yourself out. However, if you can hear some random discussions held together with jarring transitions, then you've come to the right place. And now, back to the episode.Announcer:Three developers, one mission. Build a business to nurture personal fulfillment. It's not stupid. It's FounderQuest.Ben:Yeah, I was talking to someone just yesterday and he mentioned the podcast and enjoyed listening to it and he said, I really enjoy how short the episodes are and that you really get in there and dig into things. So maybe we have to cut all that so that they keep all that.Starr:Oh no, okay.Josh:But on to play devil's advocate, you know that the other, December was it? That we didn't really have an agenda and the podcasts just totally devolved into awkward pauses and jokes about holidays. Well, I mean that turned out great. I think it was fine.Ben:I haven't listened to it, so okay.Josh:No, you should, I mean, yeah, it wasn't bad at all. So it was, it was pretty funny and like a few people told me they thought it was hilarious, so.Starr:That's great.Ben:So let's dive in.Starr:You know how Amazon is mostly like Chinese knockoffs and junk now? It's all, it's all grossly overpriced. Like I've bought stuff from Amazon. It's like, this is kind of what I need it's okay, but I know this costs somebody like 30 cents to buy and I bought it for $10. Well, Wish is an app for your phone that cuts out the middleman and lets you buy cheap Chinese crap. Just sort of like directly. So, basically like it's, it's just like a bunch of super cheap stuff. A lot of which looks suspiciously like you can get some things that look suspiciously like.Josh:iPhones.Starr:Air Pods and iPhones for like $3.50. They're not really, they're not Air Pods but you know, if you want to maybe fool somebody.Josh:They're not even Bluetooth.Starr:Maybe. Maybe, maybe not.Josh:You have to wire them.Ben:They're just little pieces of plastic.Starr:Yeah. But for things like hats and little pieces of clothing and stuff and jewelry and all that, it's super, super cheap. And I haven't actually gotten anything from them yet. I ordered a bunch of stuff about a week ago and I've got another week to go before it gets here. And so I'll have to let you guys know how it is.Ben:Yeah. The only problem with ordering like clothes is that you can't really easily return them right?Starr:When they get shipped from China. But if it costs you like $3 for a jacket, who cares? Just give it to Goodwill.Ben:I suppose.Josh:That's a very Seattle way of.Starr:I guess, I guess. I mean, I guess I could go to like the boutique, some boutique store and try stuff on and then buy stuff for $100 and it fits. Sure. But it's like, why don't I just order every size it'll cost me like $12 in total.Josh:Yeah, just ship it on an oil tanker from China.Starr:You know those, I find those like I've had an oil fumes lend kind of a certain authenticity though.Josh:Yeah. Yeah. you can skip the cologne. I see where you're going.Starr:So anyway, yeah, I mean everything, everything you could imagine on there. And it's just like, I'm sure it's all flea market quality at, I mean, sometimes that's all you need. Right?Josh:So why one thing, why is it called Wish?Starr:I Wish? I wish that it would get here sooner.Josh:Nice. That's, I'm sure that's why that's, that's their tagline, right? Yeah. Yeah.Starr:No, honestly like compared with a lot, with some stuff that like even Amazon you buy it and it ships from China and compare with that. Like it's, I mean it's just, it's like a couple of weeks. It's no big deal. You can also have it shipped like to a store near you. And so I was like this is weird. They don't have stores near me. And so I looked it up, the nearest store near me and it's like some shady like iPhone, right, repair business.Josh:Really?Starr:Yeah. I was like I got to go to my device repair business and like pick up my headbands or whatever.Josh:Like one of those, one of those like PC specialist shops?Starr:Yeah. That just seems like a front for something else. Like, you know, shady imports of costume jewelry.Josh:Do people get like still get like a whatever shareware infect, or not shareware, spyware infected PCs and have to take them into like some specialist guy at, at one of the strip mall stores? Is that still how, that works. Do you like that's what those places do, right?Starr:Do you even have parents, Josh?Josh:Yeah, I bet. I mean like they have, they have me, right?Starr:What are they doing if they're not infecting their PCs with spyware and making you fix it?Josh:I got them all using Apple.Starr:Oh yeah.Josh:I mean, come on Starr. We're like upper middle class.Starr:Oh, there you go. Yeah. My mom's pretty much on an iPad. Like my dad before he passed away, had this PC and oh my goodness. He was just like, he was. So, this was in the time when they had all those things where it's like, fill out this and get a as stereo or whatever. And what it is it's an affiliate thing and basically it's not a quiz, it's like a form. And what it does is it just like sends you to affiliate offer after affiliate offer in this endless cycle, claiming that you'll get an iPad at the end and eventually you just give up.Josh:Yeah.Starr:And then you've signed up for like, you've downloaded like 20 spyware programs and anyway he's like, if I keep going like if I keep going, they'll have to give me the iPad.Josh:It makes sense.Starr:No dad, no. They don't. It's a scam. It's just a scam. That'...

Show Notes:The world is burning, yet we find ourselves settling into our weird new daily routines. This week Josh, Starr, and Ben discuss the importance of company transparency during a crisis, Tiger King, and, political trigger warning, separating health coverage from employment. Bring your marshmallows, chocolate and crackers!Links:The Witcher 3ScribendiThe Office - Micheal's casual jeansTiger KingDisney+Animal Crossing – Tom NookJustin Jackson – Good Businesses Have MarginObamacareFull Transcript:Starr:I was thinking this show we could talk about... I don't know just kind of getting settled into this sort of weird, new normal. Even though it's hopefully temporary. The last few shows I feel were-Josh:Wait, you're saying we actually have a topic this show? Because that actually, in itself, means that we must really be settling in if we actually have a topic this week.Starr:Yeah. I mean the last few weeks, it's like personally, I felt like I had no idea what was going on in the world, or my life, or anything. It was just everything got blown up. I'm starting to figure out how the pieces are going to fit together. So this week I feel personally like I kind of am getting a little bit of an idea of like how it's going to be. It's just a matter of keeping on doing it for two months? I don't know... how long? However long?Josh:Y'all getting a little bit of a routine dialed in now?Starr:Yeah. Exactly. The situation in my house is that my wife is also working from home. She also works in tech as a writer. So basically we switch off during the work day. I work mornings, she works the afternoons. And then we take turns watching the kid. And then we both try and steal scraps of time during naps, and in the evening, or whatever, to do things that we couldn't do during our lifetime. I feel like I'm at the point where I'm kind of able to sort of scrape by the stuff I need to do. It might be a little bit hard to do extra stuff, to start getting ahead, but as far as just making sure that the wheels stay on the car, and stuff like that? On the work I'm doing, at least, it's possible. What about you guys? I think y'all's work situations have changed less than mine.Josh:Yeah, mine hasn't changed a whole lot, to be honest. Because I was commuting to an office for a little while early last year, and over the course of... like late last year, I'd moved everything back home, including... I've got my home gym now. So pretty much my day was already spent at home. And we have young kids, but I was already home with them. My wife is a stay-at-home mom, and takes care of them and stuff. She's kind of going crazy right now because we had to tell our babysitter that she can't come because... but that's the thing, lock down. So yeah, we have a lot less help right now. I guess that's the big difference. I've been taking a little bit more time, in my work day, to stop and help with the kids and stuff. Like put them down for naps, or that sort of thing.Starr:My question for you is, what did you know that the rest of us didn't? You've obviously been prepping for this, Josh. You've got your home gym. You've been going on this for at least six months.Josh:Yeah. I'm just a hermit. I don't know. Usually my work week is pretty much the same as it's has been for the last six months. I usually will get up and do some reading. I ride my stationary bike that's in my office. I do some work. I work out. Do a little bit more work, and then it's family time. Before all of this happened, during the week, my major outings usually revolved around food, so just like getting lunch or something. I'm not doing that, but we replaced that with getting out. We still try to get out for walks and things. I even still have the occasional outing here and there as well. I don't know.Ben:Yeah, my schedule hasn't changed a whole lot either. I'm still getting that six hours or five hours of sleep every night. Waking up at 5:00 or whatever in the morning. Working. See, everyone else is asleep. My kids are older. They're teenagers, so they're sleeping till noon anyway, right? So I'm working from like 6:00 to noon-ish. Grab some lunch-Josh:Yeah, and then the play the Witcher for the other eight hours a day, before they go back to sleep.Starr:Wait, does the Witcher even work if you try and play it at like 4:00 AM? Isn't it down for maintenance every night?Josh:Yeah.Starr:Every night from like 4:00 to 6:00 AM?Ben:I don't know. Wouldn't know. Never tried. Yeah, and then like lunch. And then I'll do a little bit of work, maybe, in the afternoon sometimes, if I feel like it. I'll go for a walk, go for a run. I do miss going to the gym regularly, because I was still doing that. So that's kind of a bummer but, I've got the weights in my garage, and doing that.Josh:Got some stuff, yeah.Ben:It's not really that much of a difference, except that I don't go to my office every day now, even though, I'm really usually the only one here. Still, I felt like, "It's probably a good idea not to go into the germ environment." Just shelter in place. And just bring my stuff home. Yeah, not much changed for me.Starr:That makes sense. I don't know, it's pretty different working in this new environment. Normally my days... We work 30-hour weeks at Honeybadger, and I though I have like a 40-hour week to fit that into? Now I'm trying to fit that into like a 20-hour week. So things are a bit more hectic. There's a bit less of a leisurely pace to things. And then also, there's no downtime. There's like 30 minutes of downtime. Or maybe that downtime is when Ida gets her iPad or something. And she refuses to nap.Josh:Routines really help us kind of get through this sort of thing. I've been trying to keep changes to the routine minimal. Or take steps to maintain routines that we did before. Or replace things.Starr:Yeah, that makes sense. The sort of systems that we've put in place... and I'm thinking about the stuff I put in place around the blog, in terms of project management, honestly is just saving me right now, because I have zero extra capacity to remember things. So like the other day I forgot to mark an article that was in fact done, as done. And it was still in the needed to be edited category. And so I sent it to this person who is doing some editing for us, and she's like, "You sent me this last week." It's because I forgot to mark it done.Starr:Let's talk about some more, maybe productivity or business-why things. Personally, one thing I'm trying to do to get through and sort of supplement the fact that I'm so stretched now is to get in a little bit of help on the editing side of all these blog posts I'm doing. What I had been doing previously is I had been essentially doing all of the big editing stuff and then outsourcing a kind of proofreading to a service called Scribendi. They're actually pretty good, so I would recommend them if you need that sort of thing. But I'm experimenting with having an actual, in-person relationship with an editor who's Melissa, who's a previous sort of author of ours. We published a article that she wrote about Pry recently. That's actually been really good for us.Josh:...

This week on PandemicQuest Josh, Starr and Ben share insider trading tips via the dark web, explain why aliens haven't attacked yet, and their thoughts around starting a SaaS company for hand sanitizer. The truth isn't out there, it's in here! Can you handle it?Links:Kodak CalendarJosh's Investing Blog PostDaddy DaycareKindergarten CopAnimal CrossingDoomJack BogleFull Transcript:Starr:What's today, March 20th?Josh:Yeah.Starr:It stays March 20th for the next two months.Josh:So the freeze as a solution to the economic crisis. Just pause everything until it blows over. Yeah.Starr:Yeah, and the thing where that falls down is at that... it's like, well that would also... You wouldn't have to be your mortgage and all that. It's like they wouldn't be able to evict people. But then also you wouldn't get paid, and you still have to eat, so... I don't know. If you have to have a-Josh:Well, but maybe that's where the tax stimulus comes in. We just... Future tax payers can... can pay for that.Starr:Oh, I guess so. I was thinking an amazing potluck. It's just what you want in a pandemic.Josh:Yeah. I don't know about that.Ben:I like the idea of changing our whole calendar system for the pandemic. You know? Let's-Josh:Yeah, that wouldn't cause any trouble.Ben:Yeah, yeah. Let's forget Gregorian, forget Julian. Let's just build a new one. I like it.Starr:The COVID?Ben:The Covian?Josh:The COVID.Ben:I think it was Kodak... Kodak built their own calendar and for the greater part of 20th century actually ran by it. It's pretty sweet actually.Josh:Are you serious?Ben:Yeah, yeah. We should switch to that.Starr:Oh my gosh. You know, that's so... I mean, I don't really think I'm ever going to be like founder of Kodak rich. I don't honestly want to be, but if I was, that's the kind of shit to pull. It's like, okay guys, I invented a new calendar. You all have to do it just because money. You know? Because I've got it, so here's my calendar, chip chop. You know?Josh:Yeah.Starr:I should probably clue in our listeners. Given the current, crazy state of the world with everything literally being on fire and... I'm expecting aliens to come next week and blow up the White House or something. We're sort of just going to be winging it for the next few weeks until things stabilize a little bit, because it feels kind of weird to go on and in the midst of all this stuff be like, all right, so we're going to do... we're going to talk about VC versus Bootstrap. Go. And it's like, who even knows if VCs will exist in two months. They might just... right? They might all be wiped out by the virus. You don't know.Josh:It's possible. I was going to say, I don't know about the aliens though, because I think the aliens are probably also self-isolating right now. I don't know if they'd want to actually come here.Starr:Oh my gosh. Yes. I mean, it's kind of like a spaceship. It's like, I wish I had a spaceship for my self-isolation.Josh:Maybe that's why the aliens haven't actually arrived, because they've been just self-isolating this entire time. The entire history of earth. You know? This is hitting us late, so...Ben:Yeah. They're all like, humanity is a virus.Starr:So the one thing I was thinking about in the past couple podcasts we've done is we go... We come on and we do a podcast and we're like, oh yeah, this is the state of the world. And then we come in a week later and everything's completely changed.Josh:We're lagging. Yeah, we're lagging by a week. So just keep that in mind.Starr:Yeah, we're lagging by a week. So it's just... it's just interesting to me to think about because last week I was... I was saying, well you know, maybe we might be... Like my daughter's daycare might be shutting down, something, whatever. Then by Sunday my wife and I were both like... we're like, we're pulling that girl out. She's not staying there anymore. And then an hour after we emailed them, they're like, we're closing anyway. Sorry. And now, basically, we're in our tiny little Seattle, city house. We've got two people working from home, or trying to. We've got... My four year old daughter's at home. And I've been working on this backyard shed for a long time, or it's an office. It's intended to be a backyard office.Josh:Well, it's a daycare now.Starr:Yeah, I spent most of yesterday picking up the razorblades off the floor, literally. Use a lot of razor blades in construction. Who knew? And vacuuming up all the carcinogenic dust and everything, and to make it into a big playroom because it's like our living room is getting a little tight.Josh:Starr, even if you did none of those things, it sounds like it was still a safer environment than the daycare.Ben:Josh, that reminds me of the movie Daddy Daycare.Josh:You know, I haven't seen... I don't think I've seen that one.Ben:You still haven't seen it?Josh:I still haven't seen it.Ben:I know we've talked about it before. You have to see it.Josh:Yeah.Ben:It's hilarious.Josh:All right, well-Starr:That's not the "It's not a tumor" one, is it?Ben:No. No, that's Kindergarten Cop.Starr:Okay. Okay. Similar premise?Josh:Yeah.Starr:It sounds like a similar premise. It sounds like a direct rip off actually. You know?Ben:Daddy Daycare basic plot line is two executives get laid off and they can't deal with their kids. And they start a daddy daycare and hilariousness ensues... hilarity ensues.Josh:Classic. Classic thing to do.Ben:Yeah.Josh:Yeah. We got to corporatize this... this stay home thing.Ben:Can you imagine what Honeybadger Daycare would look like? I think that would be awesome.Josh:Absolute chaos.Ben:Yeah, exactly.Josh:Yeah.Ben:I think you just put in some padding on the walls and the kids go crazy.Josh:Yeah.Ben:Right.Josh:But back to the VCs. I read... I was reading the other day just because I've been doing a little trying to keep up on the state of... the state of that world where people's minds are at. And there are at least a few people talking about VCs investing in some sectors still. Especially sectors that are... the few that are still potentially seeing an increase as a result of this health, obviously, and in remote... remote work and stuff.Starr:I'm just trying to figure out how we can make a SaaS that like a hand sanitizer. It's like you pay a monthly fee and then you go on the website and then your hands are sanitized.Ben:That'd be cool.Josh:That would be... that would be an invention. Yeah. I do... We are going to be making some hand sanitizer here pretty soon. I've got... I've got a surplus of supplies, let's just say. So, I think-Starr:Oh, wow.Josh:I think we're going to be-Starr:Are you sure you want to be announcing that on the... to the public, Josh? Are you sure you want to be letting that-Josh:Well, I'm prett...

Glove up, mask on, and tune in to this week’s FounderQuest! Starr, Ben and Josh talk hot investing tips now that our 401(k)s are gone, plans for the “Honey Bunker,” pivoting away from remote and back to co-located working, Animal Crossing, hoarding Mucinex, and the Corona vs. Pacifico beer debate is finally settled. Show Notes:Links:Daniel KahnemanMucinexAnimal CrossingNintendo SwitchJeff Bezos' Regret Minimization FrameworkBasecampSplatoon SquadGround KontrolRailsConfNeroJim Kramer Honeybadger Developer BlogFull transcript:Starr:All right. So let's get back on topic. You all were talking about profiteering off of this terrible crisis by investing in the stock market. Honeybadger BlogJosh:That's a wonderful way to describe it.Ben:Seriously, I'm all about profiteering.Josh:Yeah. Yeah. So I've kind of, I don't know. I've been telling myself I've been waiting for this, so I'll really kick myself if I don't profiteer a little bit or at least try, I feel like, I don't know. There was an article, I forget, I'm trying... Who said this? Basically, Oh, I think it was Daniel Kahneman said one of the keys to investing at least to maintaining peace of mind is like knowing what your future regret will be. And then basically like taking like modifying your behavior to optimize for that versus like adapting to whatever your current fears or whatever is driving the market is driving you or whatever. So I decided that if I don't put a little bit of money into these bargains that I'll kick myself, I'll regret it more if it goes up and I didn't participate versus if I lose a little money.Starr:You know I haven't read that book, but I was using a similar strategy today. I was at target and I was like, well, should I get two boxes of Mucinex or three boxes of Mucinex.Josh:You would really regret.Starr:So I was imagining myself like in the future really needing some Mucinex. So I bought three, I thought four would be too much. I thought four would be like be tipping into... it's like nobody ever buys four boxes of Mucinex.Josh:And then-Starr:I could see somebody buying three just if they are a big fan.Ben:I think you get put on a list if you buy four at the same time.Starr:Oh yeah?Josh:Because this is like how, this is how like only a few people end up with all the Mucinex.Starr:Well you know what, it was the last thing available on the shelf, which was lucky because I actually went there for it. And it's like all the... what does it DayQuil NyQuil tabs all cleared out although there's still some bargains available on that. The liquid form, because nobody likes the liquid form of DayQuil or NyQuil because it tastes gross. Right. And so even in the apocalypse, I don't want to be drinking that stuff.Ben:So Josh what you talked about sounded to me like the regret minimization framework that Jeff Bezos-Josh:Yeah, that's right. That was, that was another one that kind of was a similar. Yeah, I really liked that. I think it makes sense.Ben:So Starrr is loading up on the Mucinex, you know my prepper thing?Starr:What's your prepper thing?Ben:I'm going to get a haircutStarr:Yeah. If you're going down, you want to look good doing it.Ben:Yeah.Starr:Why not?Ben:I'm thinking, if you see that chart, US vs. Italy and it shows that the US following the same exact pattern that Italy did but just a little different timeline so if you see that and go "Ok myabe everything will be shut down in a week right? and I won't be able to go get a haircut in a week so I'd better get a haircut today so that I can look good for the apolcolypse."Josh:And, yeah, and I mean like, you won't look handsome. Yeah. I mean, you, you won't look handsome on the on zoom calls and we can have that. We can have a shaggy Ben on zoom calls. Now I don't know if our listeners have ever seen me in person, but I don't have this problem. I never cut my hair. So like, well, I cut it a little bit more often than I used to a few years ago.Ben:You're like the Sampson of HoneybadgerStarr:That's all right. You know your Honeybadger's is nature boy.Josh:So Ben, did you go stock some stock shop shopping this morning you said?Ben:No we always have a backup supply, like we always have months of toilet paper and food and stuff in our garage. That's what we do, but, just this morning I thought "You know what? Maybe it's time to buy that freezer for my garage."Josh:Yeah. Nice. I have the freezer and I stocked it yesterday with a lot of chicken breasts from Costco. Not the organic chicken breasts because the organic was gone like long gone. So, apparently-Starr:Well, let's be honest. You want those preservatives, you want those preservatives now. You don't want that stuff to last as long as possible.Josh:Yeah. It's probably a, it's a net win for me probably to get the non-organic.Starr:Yeah. I'm just, I'm just saying Josh though, like when that electricity goes off because the zombies have like broken into the power plants and gnawed the wires like that, like all your chickens going to be rotting, but I'm going to be sitting pretty on my 50 pounds of brown rice.Josh:Nice. Yeah. Well I might just eat all the chicken and just absorb all those gains, all those protein gains at once, like just to inject it straight into your veins.Starr:You're the hero we've been waiting for Josh. You can like go out and battle the Coronavirus.Josh:Yeah.Starr:You know, like a boss fight.Josh:Yeah. What's better than steroids? Eating 50 pounds of chicken in a single sitting.Starr:So since we did our show last week, essentially like the news moves super fast like pretty much everything we talked about was completely out of date. And which is funny because that show was going to be released today, like the day of the... we're actually recording this and then this one will be released in a week.Josh:Yeah. So hopefully by the time people get this, the world will have returned to normal and it'll be like, this all never happened.Starr:I'll be like, dammit, why did I pay 20 pounds of red lentils? I don't even like lentils. Starr:So yeah, so it's a little bit hard to focus on all the stuff going on. It's like yeah, I'm like popping out here and there to buy my rice. I spent like $700 at target this morning, but like I also bought an Nintendo Switch and accessories. So that kind of bumped it up quite a bit.Josh:We were talking like about the electronics department because we have a friend at Costco, we have a friend who like manages the electronics department. We were like, I wonder how he's doing. And I'm like crap, I should ...

Ben, Josh and Starr are transmitting...err...broadcasting from deep within the COVID-19 epicenter on this week's FounderQuest. They talk about life in our brave new COVID-19 World, Tailwind CSS, and reminisce about the old freelancing days in the time of Big Mouth Billy Bass! Show NotesLinks:The Social NetworkTailwind CSSThemeforestMorpheusRedditCovid 19BasecampRuby CentralComic-ConTornado AlleySecond LifeTeam Fortress 2Tobi at ShopifyStardew ValleyBill LumberghBig Mouth Billy BassJeff FoxworthyFull Transcript:Starr:What you were saying, Ben, about source maps reminds me of a long, long time ago, when I had this one freelancing client who ... so there was like ... right after that movie, The Social Network came out, which was about Mark Zuckerberg making Facebook, everybody who had $20-30000 laying around was like, I'm going to hire some cheap developer and have them make me some weird niche social network and I worked on several of these because I was freelancing at the time and one of them was for ...Josh:Those were the days.Starr:Yeah those were the days where you could get paid to write something that you knew in your heart nobody was ever going to use. So it was this one for nurses and so the guy was like very unresponsive to questions and so I eventually put something up. I was like, hey let's ... can you please start looking at this and tell me if you see anything wrong. Like you do in software and he was just like, it's broken, just make it work. It's like, give me the working site. And it's like, that's not how this whole process works sir. It's not like a car. You don't just go to the lot and you buy it, you've got to work the kinks out.Josh:Yeah, we all worked on ... well Ben and I worked on one of those too. Did Starr work on ...Ben:I don't remember if Starr was on that one ...Starr:I worked on one with y'all.Josh:It was fun.Starr:I think we're all taking pains not to name names because we don't want to shame anybody.Josh:We don't want to bash our past clients or anything.Starr:Yeah they were generally pretty typical.Josh:It was fun though, back when people thought that it was really just about the tech. You could just build the ... if you just built an activity feed there would be activity in it.Ben:And to be fair I think that was before Facebook groups so that basically killed any other type of social network that you wanted to build because everyone was like, oh we'll just make a group.Starr:Yeah that makes ... I never actually put that together but that totally makes sense.Ben:I sometimes miss those freelance days. I think though today if you're a freelancer there's so much cool stuff like the Tailwind UI was just released recently and that is just super awesome.Starr:What is that again?Ben:It gives you a bunch of components built on top of Tailwind CSS, which is a CSS framework that makes it really easy to build out designs. Anyway so Tailwind UI is built on top of that and gives you some premade components like, here's a list of users, or here's a marketing page with a pricing grid kind of stuff. So there's been templates around since forever like on Themeforest or whatever but this is the latest built on, reusable component framework idea and I love it. So I think as a freelancer today, if I was doing that today, I'd be all about that. I'd be like, oh let me just whip something up for you real quick from my UI since I'm a developer and I suck at UI.Starr:That's really cool. It's weird because I feel like there's been ... I don't really know what the historical progression has been because on the one hand it seems like we've gone from this world in around 2005 or whatever where one web developer with rails was basically for getting out a minimum bio of product that was pretty close to as good as you were going to get, and so you could just whip out these things, but now it seems like apps have to be so much full featured from the get-go, there's also so many more tools to do it. I don't know. I'm really ... I guess maybe it ... I'm just confused by it. I don't know what the lesson is here because on the one hand there's all these tools, but then on the other hand there's so many tools and people expect so much from new apps that it's like is it even possible for one person to do it?Ben:I think the moral of the story is the only constant in life is change.Starr:Oh that's good. You're like the Morpheus of Honeybadger. We need to get you one of those trench coats.Ben:Does that come with extra pay?Starr:Sure, yeah.Ben:Awesome.Starr:All the red and blue pills you want.Ben:Sweet.Josh:I wonder, do we even really need all these apps though? So many apps. Everyone wants a certain ... I think so many apps can exist together because there's so many people that want them. You can make an app and there's ... you have 100 users or something. You can probably find 100 people that want to use your whatever, your mobile ... your take on fitness tracking or something on iOS. But are we going to get to a point where we have as many apps as we have people in the world? Everyone has their own app.Starr:If the economy's growing at a certain percentage and that means the internet economy's growing at a certain percentage then you either need that ... you need the number of apps to grow at a certain percentage don't you. Either that or everything gets consolidated which it kind of has been doing.Starr:So I don't know, you're arguing for centralization.Josh:I guess I am, yeah.Starr:So you would rather have Reddit rather than 1000 VBBS installations.Josh:I haven't really thought this through Starr so don't hold me to this. I'm all for decentralization in general.Starr:It's all right. Welcome to Founder Quest Debate Club Edition.Josh:You really ... yeah. You're making me question all my beliefs now.Starr:There we go.Ben:So debate club ... I'm sorry, go ahead Starr.Starr:No, go ahead.Ben:I was thinking a debate club, if we want to have a debate we can talk about Covid 19 and should we shut down schools or not? Go.Starr:Oh my gosh.Ben:It's huge.Starr:It is huge. And we're at the epicenter of it. You and me Ben and Ben Finley, our marketing person, our marketing guru.Ben:So just for some context, I live in Kirkland, Washington, which is the ground zero basically for Coronavirus infections in the United States. As of yesterday I believe we had 10 or 11 deaths in my community due to that. Primarily f...