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Dov Baron
The Dov Baron Show: Unmasking Hidden Truths for High-Profile Deep Thinkers
This isn't just another leadership podcast. It's a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you're the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
This isn't just another leadership podcast. It's a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you're the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
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Jan 21, 2026 • 12min
Episode 1: The Polymathic Perspective: Why Curiosity Was Never Your Problem | Dov Baron
🧠 Episode 1: The Polymathic Perspective: Why Curiosity Was Never Your Problem What if the thing you've been told to fix about yourself is the very thing the world needs most right now? Description: For the first quarter of my life, I believed I wasn't very bright. Not because I couldn't think, but because I couldn't stay in a single lane long enough for anyone to know what to do with me. . If you've ever been told to "find your niche" and felt smaller every time you tried, this podcast isn't here to optimize you. It's here to integrate you. . In this opening episode of The Polymathic Perspective Podcast, I trace the origin of a mind that refuses to fragment itself. From art to existential philosophy, neuroscience to power, identity to meaning, this is not a collection of ideas; it's an examination of the emotional logic beneath them. . This episode explores: Why intelligent, capable people sabotage themselves despite knowing better How curiosity becomes a liability only inside systems that fear integration The hidden cost of forcing polymathic minds into narrow identities Why chaos is not accidental, and how it's used to shrink perception The difference between collecting knowledge and developing perception mastery . I'll show you where science ends and where interpretation begins, and why that boundary matters. Not to give you answers, but to help you see patterns others miss. . This podcast is not about certainty. It's about sovereignty. . If you've ever felt like your mind works beautifully but the world keeps asking you to amputate parts of it, you're not broken. . You may be a polymath. And this may finally be your home. What This Podcast Is (and Is Not) This is a weekly practice for integration-hungry minds. We will examine politics, culture, psychology, neuroscience, media, and power, not as isolated events, but as expressions of how humans create meaning under pressure. This is not: A productivity show A motivation podcast A niche-building strategy It is a pattern-detection practice grounded in the Emotional Source Code and the Anatomy of Meaning, used not as answers, but as lenses. Listen If You've Ever… Been praised for your insight but privately felt behind Had deep curiosity paired with chronic self-doubt Felt suffocated by narrow expertise Been told your mind is "too much" or "too scattered." Suspected the chaos around us is doing more than distracting us A Question to Carry Forward Who do you want to be in the face of this chaos, smaller and numb, or fully alive and fully feeling? Sit with what stayed alive as you listened. Irritation is data. Certainty is suspicious. Curiosity is the path. Subscribe & Participate If this inquiry matters to you, subscribe. Not to agree, but to stay in the conversation. If a question surfaced while listening, put it in the comments, not to get an answer, but to deepen the pattern. Until next time, stay curious. Stay integrated. . #PolymathicPerspective #CuriosityAsStrength #EmotionalSourceCode #AnatomyOfMeaning #PatternRecognition #IdentityAndMeaning #PerceptionMastery #IntegratedThinking

Jan 18, 2026 • 1h 5min
🎙️How China Has Already Rewritten the Rules of Innovation | Adrian Simpson | Long-form
🎙️China Isn't Catching Up, It's Already Rewriting the Rules of Innovation | Adrian Simpson 🔥 What if the greatest threat to Western leadership isn't AI, China, or authoritarianism, but our addiction to comfort, incremental change, and the illusion that we still have time? 🧠 EPISODE SUMMARY Most leaders believe they're living at the edge of innovation. Adrian Simpson has taken over a thousand executives inside the factories, boardrooms, and innovation hubs that quietly prove otherwise. In this conversation, Adrian reveals what actually happens when Western CEOs step into China's technological ecosystem and why the shock isn't about politics, ethics, or ideology. It's about speed, scale, and decisiveness. You'll hear firsthand accounts of: Fully autonomous passenger-carrying drones already operating in China "Dark factories" producing cars every 62 seconds with almost no humans Why China's decentralized innovation model outpaces Silicon Valley's echo chamber How regulation, comfort, and short-term leadership thinking are quietly engineering Western obsolescence The hidden psychological cost of safety, surveillance, and convenience Why innovation theater is replacing real innovation inside most organizations This episode isn't asking whether China is "good" or "bad." It's asking a far more uncomfortable question: Are Western leaders still capable of facing reality without denial? 🧩 KEY CONVERSATION THREADS China speed and China scale, why they matter more than ideology Why innovation isn't happening where leaders think it is Autonomous logistics, low-altitude economies, and the collapse of legacy supply chains The uncomfortable truth about safety, surveillance, and societal trade-offs Why most companies "tweak" instead of innovate The leadership cost of waiting for governments, tariffs, or protectionism Why AI will not differentiate anyone, but human courage still might 👤 About Adrian Simpson . Adrian Simpson has spent 30+ years taking senior leaders, both in person and virtually, into the boardrooms and shop floors of some of the world's most admired and progressive organizations. . Adrian Simpson is the co-founder of Wavelength Leadership, a UK-based boutique executive education organization with global reach, and someone who gives leaders direct insight into realities they "haven't considered." . In 2025 alone, he took clients to Silicon Valley (including visits to Nvidia, OpenAI, Netflix, Apple) and to China (including visits to TikTok and BYD), plus hosted virtual symposiums with senior leaders (including a CEO of IKEA and a COO of Southwest Airlines). 🔗 How to Connect + Resources . Wavelength Leadership website: https://wavelengthleadership.com From there, you can: Subscribe to the newsletter Follow their LinkedIn feeds Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrian-simpson-b600139/?locale=de_DE https://x.com/AdieSimpson 🎯 WHO THIS EPISODE IS FOR This episode is for: CEOs who sense their strategy is outdated but haven't said it out loud Leaders who feel the ground moving beneath their industry Executives tired of AI hype but unwilling to look away from reality Decision-makers who know incrementalism is no longer enough If you're looking for reassurance, this episode will unsettle you. If you're looking for clarity, it will sharpen you. 🧭 FINAL CHALLENGE TO THE LISTENER The real danger isn't China. It isn't AI. It isn't authoritarianism. It's insularity, delay, and leaders waiting for permission while the future is already operational. The question is no longer what's coming. The question is: Are you still leading as if you have time? . > Hashtags: #TheDovBaronShow #AdrianSimpson #GlobalLeadership #ExecutiveLeadership #LeadershipStrategy #FutureOfLeadership #InnovationReality #AILeadership #StrategicForesight #LeadershipCourage #EmotionalSourceCode

Jan 14, 2026 • 33min
Part 2 of 2🎙️ Keith Ferrazzi | Why Leaders Who Go It Alone Won't Survive What's Coming
(Part 2)🎙️ Why Leaders Who Go It Alone Won't Survive What's Coming | Keith Ferrazzi What if the leadership model that made you successful is the very thing that will make you irrelevant in the next collapse? 🧠 Episode Description In Part 1, Keith Ferrazzi challenged the myth of indispensability inside teams. In Part 2, he widens the lens, exposing how that same leadership addiction scales into AI disruption, economic instability, and even authoritarian collapse. . This conversation moves beyond organizational charts and into the future of work itself. Keith explains why AI adoption metrics are meaningless without real business transformation, why "AI-first" companies think fundamentally differently, and why leaders who cling to control will be outpaced by smaller, faster, more collaborative teams. . Dov and Keith also confront one of the most avoided questions in leadership today: what happens to human dignity when AI displaces work faster than society can adapt? From universal basic income to universal basic ownership, the discussion explores why enlightened leadership must extend beyond quarterly results and into responsibility for the ecosystems leaders create. . This episode is a call to humility, not fear. It argues that leaders who step off the pedestal, co-create across functions, and learn from those already living in the future will not just survive the coming shift, they'll shape it. 🔍 Core Themes Explored Why AI adoption rates are irrelevant without outcome transformation The difference between AI as a tool and AI as a teammate Why leaders must co-create across business, technology, and people functions How AI-first companies invert the human-first assumption The coming speed and scale of job displacement Why society is unprepared for rapid workforce disruption Universal basic income vs universal basic ownership Why authoritarian leadership emerges from fear and overload How teamship scales from companies to nations Why leaders who try to solve everything themselves inevitably lose 🧩 Key Moments & Stories AI as Transformation, Not Adoption Keith makes it clear that measuring AI success by tool adoption is meaningless. What matters is whether costs drop, customer experience improves, and outcomes change. Anything else is theatre. . The AI-First Founder Example Keith describes an AI-native company built by asking a radical question: How does AI do everything until it can't, and where do humans add value? This inversion produces dramatically smaller, faster, and more resilient organizations. . Job Displacement and Social Disruption . Keith lays out a sobering forecast, rapid job loss across call centers, trucking, and other sectors, leading to economic and social instability if leaders fail to prepare for human transition, not just technological progress. . Universal Basic Ownership Through a story from early Uber leadership, Keith introduces an alternative to universal basic income, inviting displaced workers into ownership of the systems replacing them, requiring corporate responsibility rather than government dependency. . Authoritarianism as Teamship Failure Drawing from industrial history, Keith reframes authoritarian leadership as a breakdown of collaboration at scale, where hierarchy replaces adaptability and fear replaces shared responsibility. 🔮 The Leadership Imperative in an AI Era Keith argues that the future belongs to leaders who stop trying to outrun disruption alone and instead build networks of co-creation. The choice is not whether AI will change your industry, but whether you will be outpaced by peers willing to rethink everything faster than you. . His advice is practical and humbling: find AI-native entrepreneurs, learn from them, step off the pedestal, and allow yourself to be mentored by those already living in the future. 🔗 Resources & Ways to Follow Keith Books Mentioned Never Lead Alone Never Eat Alone Leading Without Authority Programs & Training Connected Success Website: https://ConnectedSuccess.com Where to Follow Keith LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithferrazzi/ https://keithferrazzi.com 👤 About Keith Ferrazzi Keith Ferrazzi is a multiple New York Times bestselling author and global leadership expert known for redefining collaboration, teamship, and co-elevation. His work focuses on helping leaders and organizations move from hierarchical control to resilient, high-performing networks. 🪞 Reflection Question If the future cannot be solved by any one leader, what responsibility are you still carrying that should be shared? . #Teamship #LeadershipPsychology #HighPerformanceTeams #OrganizationalCulture #EmotionalSourceCode #FutureOfWork

Jan 11, 2026 • 29min
Part 1 of 2🎙️ Keith Ferrazzi | Why Indispensable Leaders Create Fragile Teams.
(Part 1)🎙️ Keith Ferrazzi | "Why Indispensable Leaders Create Fragile Teams." What if the leadership trait you're most proud of is the very thing making your team fragile without you? 🧠 Episode Description Most leaders believe being indispensable is proof they're doing their job well. Keith Ferrazzi argues the opposite. . In Part 1 of this provocative two-part conversation, Dov Baron sits down with Keith Ferrazzi to dismantle one of leadership's most deeply protected identities, the belief that strong leaders must sit at the center of decision-making, accountability, and performance. . Keith explains how leaders unintentionally train teams to depend on them, why people avoid telling the truth in meetings, and how psychological safety fails when it's treated as a value rather than a structural commitment. Drawing from his own evolution, including confronting scarcity, ego, and control, Keith reveals how leadership systems, not personalities, determine whether teams thrive or collapse under pressure. . This episode challenges leaders who pride themselves on being the smartest person in the room and asks a more uncomfortable question: What happens when you're not there? 🔍 Core Themes Explored Why indispensability is a hidden form of leadership fragility How hub-and-spoke leadership creates dependency, not strength Why people don't speak truth to power, even in "safe" cultures How leaders unconsciously reinforce silence through structure Why telling people to "be courageous" never works The difference between culture as aspiration and culture as contract How process reshapes behavior faster than mindset Why conflict avoidance is often mistaken for harmony Keith's personal reckoning with scarcity and identity 🧩 Key Moments & Stories Indispensability as a Structural Failure Keith explains that when leaders position themselves as the center of problem-solving, teams learn to wait rather than think. The organization appears efficient until volatility exposes how brittle it really is. . Why Candor Breaks Down . People don't withhold truth because they're dishonest. They withhold it because the system doesn't protect them when they speak. Keith outlines why safety must be designed, not declared. . Identity and Scarcity . Keith reflects on removing photos of powerful people from his office walls as part of confronting how scarcity shaped his leadership identity, and why service requires letting go of status reinforcement. 🔗 Resources & Ways to Follow Keith Books Mentioned Never Lead Alone Never Eat Alone Leading Without Authority Programs & Training Connected Success Website: https://ConnectedSuccess.com Where to Follow Keith LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithferrazzi/ https://keithferrazzi.com 👤 About Keith Ferrazzi Keith Ferrazzi is a bestselling author and leadership expert known for his work on teamship, co-elevation, and transforming how organizations collaborate. His work focuses on replacing leader-centric models with systems that distribute accountability, candor, and ownership. 🪞 Reflection Question If your team couldn't function without you tomorrow, would you call that leadership, or dependency? 🏷️ Hashtags #KeithFerrazzi #NeverLeadAlone #Teamship #LeadershipPsychology #HighPerformanceTeams #OrganizationalCulture #EmotionalSourceCode #FutureOfWork #TheDovBaronShow

Jan 7, 2026 • 34min
Part 2of2:🎙Why Analytics Are Killing Creativity, and What You Must Do Instead | Nir Bashan
Part 2 of 2:🎙Why Analytics Are Killing Creativity, and What Leaders Must Do Instead | Nir Bashan What if the greatest threat to creativity isn't AI, analytics, or complexity, but leadership's fear of looking foolish? Description In Part 2 of this conversation, Nir Bashan takes the gloves off. This episode isn't anti-technology; it's anti-deception. . Nir dismantles the mythology surrounding AI, social media, and analytics, exposing how Silicon Valley hype has replaced human judgment with self-congratulatory narratives. He shares MIT research showing that AI use can dramatically reduce neural activity, not expand it, and explains why outsourcing thinking to machines quietly erodes creativity rather than enhancing it. . From there, the conversation moves into leadership behavior that almost no executive wants to examine. Why do intelligent leaders behave helplessly? Why do organizations fetishize complexity? Why are mistakes treated as failure rather than fuel? And why do analytics-only cultures consistently miss the most elegant, cost-effective solutions? . Nir answers these questions with real-world examples, including a shipping problem that saved millions of dollars not through engineering, analytics, or redesign, but through a single "silly" creative insight. . This episode is a direct challenge to leaders who hide behind data, complexity, and process. It argues that creativity is not artistic expression. It is disciplined problem solving, and it requires courage, vulnerability, and a willingness to look wrong in public. What This Episode Confronts Directly The myth that AI makes humans more creative Why social media has zero redeeming value for human cognition How analytics become a safety blanket for risk-averse leaders The difference between intelligence and creativity Why complexity is often a performance strategy, not a necessity How learned institutional helplessness forms inside successful companies Why leaders unconsciously train teams to avoid original thinking How deliberate mistakes can unlock innovation Why simplicity is harder, not easier, than complexity How language choice directly affects creativity and outcomes Key Insight Stories From the Episode The Shipping Box Story A high-end bicycle company loses millions due to broken shipments. Engineers, vendors, and analysts obsess over materials, padding, and logistics. The breakthrough does not come from data. It comes from a creative reframing: Cost: pennies. Savings: millions. This is not a story about cleverness. It is a story about how analytics blind leaders to obvious human behavior. . Mistakes as a Leadership Tool . Nir describes forcing senior leaders to intentionally say something "dumb" in meetings, not as a stunt, but as a way to rewire teams that are paralyzed by fear. When leaders model vulnerability, disagreement becomes safe. Creativity returns. Without this, organizations default to obedience, not innovation. The Human Advantage Over AI . Nir makes a claim that cuts through AI hype: Machines search the past. Humans create the future. AI depends on historical data. Human creativity depends on empathy, presence, judgment, and context. Leaders who double down on the human factor, conversation, intuition, and creative problem-solving will outperform those who chase every technological trend without discernment. The Simplest Creative Shift You Can Make Today The episode closes with a deceptively simple practice: choose better words. . Nir explains that language is overwhelmingly biased toward negativity across nearly every human language. When leaders consciously choose positive, relational, human language, creativity multiplies. Not metaphorically. Practically. New connections form. Opportunities appear. Outcomes change. Creativity follows language. Negativity shuts it down. About Nir Bashan Nir Bashan is the author of The Solution Mindset, a creativity and innovation expert, and a former advertising executive. His work focuses on reclaiming creativity as a leadership discipline rather than an artistic talent, helping organizations solve complex problems through human-centered thinking rather than analytic paralysis. 🔗 Resources & Links Nir Bashan: https://nirbashan.com The Solution Mindset is available wherever books are sold (All links and resources are included in the show notes) Website www.nirbashan.comwww.thecreatormindset.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/nirbashan/ https://x.com/Nir_Bashan https://www.instagram.com/nirbashan/ Reflection for the Listener Where are you hiding behind analytics, complexity, or process to avoid the risk of being wrong, and what problem might finally move if you stopped?

Jan 4, 2026 • 31min
Part 1:🎙 The Lie That Stops Smart Leaders from Solving Problems: Nir Bashan: Reclaiming Your Solution Mindset |
Part 1: 🎙 The Lie That Stops Smart Leaders from Solving Problems: Reclaiming Your Solution Mindset | Nir Bashan. What if the story that the world is broken is the most dangerous lie leaders keep telling themselves? Description We're told every day that the world is failing, overwhelmed, under-resourced, and spiraling toward collapse. But what if that story isn't reality, it's a filter? . In Part 1 of this deeply challenging conversation, Dov Baron sits down with Nir Bashan, author of The Solution Mindset, to confront a belief most leaders never question: that complexity is inevitable, and despair is realistic. Together, they unravel the lies and offer a path forward for the most complex to the most personal dilemmas. . Nir makes an intellectually uncomfortable claim, not motivational, not inspirational, but confrontational. Nearly every problem we face, personal, organizational, or even global, is solvable. Not through slogans. Not through positive thinking. But through disciplined creativity fused with innovation. . Together, Dov and Nir explore why leaders lose their problem-solving edge, how fear disguises itself as realism, and why an over-reliance on analytics without wisdom quietly erodes our capacity to lead. . This episode challenges the modern addiction to comparison, performance optics, and spreadsheet certainty, and exposes what happens when leaders trade curiosity for comfort. . If you've ever felt like your creativity went missing somewhere between responsibility and results, this conversation will unsettle you in precisely the right way. 🔍 In This Episode Why the "broken world" narrative shrinks courage and kills initiative How fear masquerades as realism in leadership decision-making Why creativity is a discipline, not a personality trait The hidden danger of analytics without wisdom How comparison is the fastest way to suffocate creative intelligence Why leaders stop making mistakes, and why that's fatal to innovation The power of "silly idea meetings" and structured permission to think differently How embarrassment, iteration, and courage unlock real solutions 👤 About Nir Bashan Nir Bashan is a creativity and innovation expert, a former advertising executive, and the author of The Solution Mindset. His work focuses on reclaiming creativity as a practical leadership skill for solving real-world problems, from hiring systems to environmental collapse. Nir challenges leaders to stop outsourcing thinking to data alone and rebuild their capacity for human problem-solving. 🔗 Resources & Links Nir Bashan: https://nirbashan.com The Solution Mindset is available wherever books are sold (All links and resources are included in the show notes) Website www.nirbashan.comwww.thecreatormindset.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/nirbashan/ https://x.com/Nir_Bashan https://www.instagram.com/nirbashan/ 🎧 Listen If You've Ever Felt overwhelmed by complexity and quietly resigned to it Relied on data but sensed something critical was missing Avoided taking risks because failure feels too public now Confused realism with resignation Wondered where your creative courage went 💭 Reflection Before Part 2 Where have you mistaken comfort for realism, and what problem are you avoiding because you're afraid of looking foolish trying to solve it?

Dec 31, 2025 • 32min
Part 2 of 2:🎙"Selective Inclusion: Jessica Pettitt: the Dark Truth Leaders Avoid."
🎙 "Selective Inclusion: Jessica Pettitt on the Dark Truth Leaders Avoid." . What if the biggest threat inside your organization is not bias, burnout, or politics, but your obsession with looking good instead of doing good? Description In Part 2 of this profoundly honest conversation, Jessica Pettitt tears open the quiet delusions organizations hide behind. She is the person companies call when their well-intended DEI efforts start doing real harm. And today, she exposes the dirty secret no one wants to admit. Why have companies poured millions into DEI, culture, and engagement initiatives, only to, as she puts it, spit-polish landmines and make the situation worse? Why do leaders cling to performative rituals they know do nothing? And why does most DEI fail, even with the right intentions and endless resources? Jessica names patterns that almost no consultant will say out loud. And you, as a leader who cares about actual impact, not optics, need to hear them. . Inside, we dissect: • The truth about performative DEI and why companies cling to it anyway • Why leaders cancel consultants the moment real change begins • How organizations reward their own lies • Why discomfort, not dollars, determines whether DEI succeeds • The emotional and psychological cost of pretending something is "inclusive" when it's not • Why leaders lack the courage to dismantle systems they built • How curiosity and courage must intersect for genuine cultural transformation • Why belonging fails without intellectual honesty • What leaders must do next to stop "spit-polishing" and start transforming This episode is for leaders who are tired of fakery, exhausted by corporate theater, and ready to see reality clearly enough to change it. In this episode, you will learn: • The real reason DEI breaks down inside elite organizations Jessica exposes why companies prefer marketing optics over meaningful change. • How performative problem-solving increases harm, even with "good intentions." Her metaphor of "spit-polishing a landmine" is unforgettable. • Why most DEI consultants are forced into performativity just to get hired The industry pressures that sabotage real work from the inside out. • The unseen cost leaders never account for Not just financial cost, but the human cost of ignoring voices outside the preferred ideological bubble. • Why companies reward lies about inclusion And what it reveals about their true cultural values. • How leaders can no longer hide behind the "I didn't know" excuse Ignorance is no longer neutral. It is a leadership choice. • The courage-curiosity intersection that marks real leadership The moment where truth becomes more important than comfort. • Why belonging must include the people you silently wish it didn't A devastating critique of selective inclusion. . Exclusive Inner-Circle Invitation If you are listening to this show, you already stand apart from the many. But there is another level. A level where your nervous system stops reacting to life and begins redirecting it. If you are one of the few ready for that threshold, join the inner circle at DovBaron.com. . 👊 About Jessica Pettitt Jessica Pettitt is the DEI strategist organizations call when their "good intentions" start causing real harm. She is the author of Almost Doing Good, a professional truth-teller, and one of the few people who has deeply analyzed Project 2025 from 1972 to today. Her approach blends candor, humor, deep research, and a refusal to hide behind Instagram-friendly platitudes. Guest Links Jessica Pettitt's work, newsletter, and resources: JessicaPettitt.com 🔗 Connect With Jessica Pettitt Website & Project 2025 Resources: https://jesspettitt.com/project-2025 YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@JessPettitt Playlist (32 chapter discussions): Search "Jess Pettitt Project 2025" on YouTube Book: Almost Doing Good YouTube Hashtags (Algorithm-Optimized) #LeadershipTruth #CorporateCulture #DEIFailure #PsychologicalSafety #EmotionalIntelligence #CourageousLeadership #OrganizationalChange #DovBaronShow #JessicaPettitt #BelongingAtWork

Dec 28, 2025 • 34min
Part 1 of 2: 🎙"Why DEI Failed: Jessica Pettitt, Project 2025 and the Myth of Progress."
Part 1 of 2: 🎙"Why DEI Failed: Jessica Pettitt on Project 2025 and the Myth of Progress." . What if the only way to fix DEI is to admit that almost everything we've been doing was performative from the start? . Description What if the entire conversation about DEI has been built on a fragile foundation of performance, guilt, and corporate fear, instead of anything real and human? In this explosive first part of my conversation with Jessica Pettitt, we go straight into the political and cultural landmines that leaders pretend not to see. Jessica is a seasoned DEI strategist, stand-up comic, and one of the few people in America who actually read the very controversial Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 cover to cover. What she discovered inside that document, its history, its intentions, and yes, even the parts she agrees with, will challenge every assumption you have about where the United States is headed, culturally and politically. And we don't stop there. We dig into the dark psychology of humor, trauma in leadership, and why some people become rigid. In contrast, others become deeply compassionate, and how self-awareness is usually the biggest illusion in the room. We confront what happens when organizations pretend to care, when DEI becomes a corporate accessory, and when leaders fail to examine what they are responsible for. This conversation isn't about ideology. It's about reality. And it might be the most honest discussion about DEI you've heard in years. . 🔥 In This Episode • Why DEI failed, and why performance culture set it up to fail • Jessica's surprising history with stand-up comedy, politics, and George Carlin ("Safety") • The dark psychology comedians and leaders share • Why trauma creates either deep compassion or rigid absolutism in high performers • The part of Project 2025 that shocked Jessica the most; because she agreed with it • The danger of people who "think" they are self-aware • Why most people outsource their beliefs instead of thinking • The simplest question that exposes a leader's real level of awareness: What are you responsible for? • Why reading original sources matters more than consuming opinions about them • What liberals misunderstand about conservatives, and what conservatives misunderstand about liberals • How to have a real conversation across differences without buzzwords • Why most organizations cannot tell the difference between harm reduction and performance branding . 👊 About Jessica Pettitt Jessica Pettitt is the DEI strategist organizations call when their "good intentions" start causing real harm. She is the author of Almost Doing Good, a professional truth-teller, and one of the few people who has deeply analyzed Project 2025 from 1972 to today. Her approach blends candor, humor, deep research, and a refusal to hide behind Instagram-friendly platitudes. . 🔗 Connect With Jessica Pettitt Website & Project 2025 Resources: https://jesspettitt.com/project-2025 YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@JessPettitt Playlist (32 chapter discussions): Search "Jess Pettitt Project 2025" on YouTube Book: Almost Doing Good . 💥 Listen If You've Ever • Wondered whether DEI actually works—or if it ever has • Watched your company abandon initiatives it once claimed to "stand for" • Felt uneasy about how polarized conversations have become • Wanted to understand why people cling to rigid views • Been curious about what Project 2025 actually says (not what people claim it says) • Suspected that your definition of "responsibility" has been outsourced to someone else • Wanted a conversation about politics and culture without extremism, performance, or bullshit . 💭 Reflection Question for Listeners What are you truly responsible for, and how much of your worldview was handed to you instead of chosen?

Dec 24, 2025 • 43min
Part 2 of 2: "Why Becoming Your Future Self Requires Letting Go | Dr. Benjamin Hardy"
Dr. Benjamin Hardy, an organizational psychologist and bestselling author, joins to discuss transformational leadership and the journey to becoming your future self. He argues that true growth requires letting go of past identities and attachments, which can feel like grief. Hardy highlights the difference between 2x and 10x thinking, emphasizing that real progress stems from focusing on the essential 20%. He shares practical steps like journaling and setting boundaries with loved ones to enable this transformative process.

Dec 21, 2025 • 36min
Part 1 of 2: Why Meaning Comes Before Courage | Dr. Benjamin Hardy | 10X Yourself
Part 1 of 2: Why Meaning Comes Before Courage | Dr. Benjamin Hardy | 10X Yourself . What if the reason you're afraid to step into your future self has nothing to do with confidence, and everything to do with meaning? Description In this deeply unexpected and profoundly honest conversation, Dov Baron sits down with Dr. Benjamin Hardy for a dialogue that goes far beyond performance psychology and into the foundations of courage, faith, and identity. . For the first time publicly, Dr. Hardy shares his personal origin story, including his beliefs about God, purpose, and why he sees life itself as an educational journey rather than a test to pass or fail. What unfolds is not a debate about religion, but a powerful exploration of how meaning shapes courage, entrepreneurship, and the willingness to let go of who you used to be. . Together, Dov and Ben examine why so many high performers feel deflated even after achieving everything they were told would make them happy, and why clinging to a past identity quietly poisons the future you're trying to build. . This episode challenges the glossy image of entrepreneurship, confronts ego-driven success, and reframes leadership as an act of service rooted in dignity, not status. . If you've ever felt torn between who you've been and who you sense you're meant to become, this conversation will meet you exactly where you are. 🔥 In This Episode Why achievement without meaning often leads to emptiness, not fulfillment Dr. Hardy's rarely shared beliefs about God, origin, and human potential How deep meaning fuels courage and psychological freedom The hidden cost of dragging your past identity into your future Why entrepreneurship, at its best, is a vehicle for service, not ego The difference between living for status and living with dignity How your view of your future self quietly shapes every decision you make today 👤 About Dr. Benjamin Hardy Dr. Benjamin Hardy is an organizational psychologist and bestselling author whose work focuses on courage, transformational leadership, and exponential growth. His research explores how future identity, meaning, and commitment drive extraordinary personal and professional change. He is the author of Willpower Doesn't Work and Personality Isn't Permanent, and a sought-after speaker for entrepreneurs and Fortune 500 leaders. . Website https://benjaminhardy.com https://FutureSelf.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminhardy88 https://www.facebook.com/benjaminhardy88 https://twitter.com/BenjaminPHardy https://www.instagram.com/benjamin_hardy_phd 💭 Reflection Question If your future self no longer needs the identity that once kept you safe, what are you still holding onto, and why? 🔔 Up Next in Part 2 In the next episode, Dov and Dr. Hardy go deeper into the psychology of the future self, the illusion of being "finished," and how most people unknowingly sabotage their next evolution by confusing familiarity with truth. 🎧 Listen, Subscribe, and Share If this conversation challenged the way you think about success, courage, or identity, share it with a leader who's questioning what comes next. 🏷️ Hashtags #BenjaminHardy #FutureSelf #LeadershipAndLoyalty #MeaningOverMetrics #EntrepreneurialCourage #IdentityShift #PurposeDrivenLeadership #PersonalTransformation #EmotionalSourceCode #TheDovBaronShow


