The Church Lobby

In recent decades, parachurch organizations have carved out an important space in church life and ministry.Karl Vaters talks with Dr. Angie Ward about why it’s important for ministers to take a closer look at what the church is, what parachurch organizations bring to the mix, and how we can move forward more missionally, even as the emphasis on institutions diminishes.Dr. Ward is director of the Doctor of Ministry program and associate professor of leadership and ministry at Denver Seminary. She’s also the author of Beyond Church and Parachurch: From Competition to Missional Extension, which is the basis for this conversation. Links:Beyond Church and Parachurch: From Competition to Missional ExtensionBeyond the Local Church: How Apostolic Movements Can Change the World, by Sam MetcalfThe Church and the Parachurch: An Uneasy Marriage (A Critical Concern Book), by Jerry E. WhitePolycentric Leadership: Church as a Discipleship Movement, with Dan White Jr. (The Church Lobby, Ep 039)Uncharted Leadership: 20 Case Studies to Help Ministry Leaders Adapt to Uncertainty, by Angie WardBONUS TALKThe Five Advantages Of Parachurch Organizations, with Dr. Angie WardEvery parachurch ministry needs to flow from and/or point to the local church. So why do we need parachurch ministries, at all?In this bonus conversation, Karl Vaters talks with Dr. Angie Ward about the five benefits that churches can gain from partnering with parachurch ministries in productive ways:ReachSpecializationLay involvementPromoting unityTo call the local church to mission Links:Beyond Church and Parachurch: From Competition to Missional ExtensionTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Austin Carty, pastor of Boulevard Baptist Church and author of "Some of the Words Are Theirs," shares insights on the art of sermon writing. He discusses how to choose impactful passages and the importance of budgeting time for effective sermon preparation. Carty emphasizes the need for humble conviction over certainty, using stories to convey theological ideas, and acknowledging diverse viewpoints. He also highlights the role of routine in enhancing creativity and the significance of aiming sermons at local congregations to broaden their appeal.

What happens when all the church growth principles that were working in your church, suddenly stop working when you need them the most?Karl Vaters interviews Paul Dazet about what happened to him, as the pastor of a fast-growing church shortly after he was diagnosed with cancer. Over 100 members left, saying things like “I just can’t handle being sad at church,” and “It used to be so energetic. Your illness changed the whole vibe.” Paul’s illness and the shaved head that went with it were seen as a show of weakness, need, and vulnerability that many people were uncomfortable seeing on a church platform.But it’s not all bad news. Paul also walks us through the positive changes he has made in his approach to pastoring, including allowing space for lament, and how he now defines ministry success.Links:Paul’s article on SubstackFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/pastorpauldazet/Instagram - @pauldazetTwitter / X - @pauldazetBluesky - @pastorpaul.bsky.social‬LibbyHoopla Bonus video The Five False Jesus’ of the “Successful” Church, with Paul DazetPaul Dazet found out that a numerically-growing church isn’t necessarily a healthy church. In this Bonus content, Karl Vaters talks with Paul about the 5 ways churches can be tempted to see Jesus that are not what Jesus intended for his church. They are:“Jesus wants you rich” (Prosperity Jesus)“Jesus votes red, white, and blue” (Nationalistic Jesus)“Jesus is disappointed in you” (Judgmental Jesus)“Jesus only loves people who look and believe like us” (Exclusive Jesus)“Jesus is here to meet your every need” (Consumeristic Jesus) Links:Paul’s article on SubstackFacebook - https://www.facebook.com/pastorpauldazet/Instagram - @pauldazetTwitter / X - @pauldazetBluesky - @pastorpaul.bsky.social‬To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Karl Vaters interviews Leanne Friesen about grief. Specifically, how pastors, family members, and other caring people can help give people the room to process their grief when they go through a profound loss. Karl and Leanne also talk about how to process those feelings ourselves.Leanne is a former pastor and is the author of Grieving Room: Making Space for All the Hard Things after Death and Loss. She talks with wisdom and compassion about the difficult, but important principles she learned as she went through the death of her sister more than a decade ago.Links:Grieving Room: Making Space for All the Hard Things after Death and LossInstagram: @Grieving.Room and @leanne_friesenLeanneFriesen.comFacebook: A Little Bit of Grieving Room Bonus videoHow to Give People Room When They’re Not “Getting Over” Their Grief, with Leanne FriesenKarl Vaters interviews Leanne Friesen about one of the hardest aspects of grief – what happens when you can’t seem to “get over it” the way people seem to think you should?As Leanne explains, when a loved one dies, the ones who have lost them need room for grief to be a part of their lives for the rest of their life. By recognizing this, they can deal with it in a much healthier way.Links:Grieving Room: Making Space for All the Hard Things after Death and LossTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Karl Vaters talks with Darrell Stetler about a new AI program Darrell has created, called Sermon Illustrator.After a short introduction to what AI is, and some of the advantages and dangers of using it, they narrow in on this tool that helps pastors with a very specific task – finding illustrations (stories, metaphors, historical events, and so on) that can give your well-prepared sermon a story, a photo, a video, or another illustration that will help your content connect in a memorable way.Podcast Links:Sermon IllustratorGet the AI Training Course ($27 offer for podcast listeners!)Ep 038: A Discipleship Strategy Small Churches Can Actually FollowEp 084: Second was Trunk-or-Treat, with Darrell Stetler Also from Darrell Stetler:NewStart Discipleship curriculumFree New believer Bible reading plan (1 Page PDF)Free audiobook on discipling your childrenFree NewStart Discipleship Journal: A 54-page discipleship Bible study for new Christians.Free one-hour discipleship training workshopFree 23 Page Planning Guide with Trunk or Treat Ideas for ChurchesThe Gospel Trunk or Treat Planning SystemSocial media:facebook.com/darrellstetler2facebook.com/newstartdiscipleshipyoutube.com/@newstartdiscipleshiptwitter.com/newstartdiscBonus ContentSome Strengths and Dangers of Using AI for Sermon Prep, with Darrell StetlerKarl Vaters interviews Darrell Stetler about what AI is good for, and some of the dangers AI poses, specifically when it comes to prepping Sunday sermons. To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

In this engaging discussion, Luke Simmons, Pastor of Ironwood Church in Mesa, AZ, shares his innovative plan to connect with 1,000 church members through one-on-one coffee meetings. He dives into the challenges and strategies of maintaining intimacy in a large congregation while fostering discipleship and fellowship. Luke emphasizes setting numerical goals that align with deeper spiritual objectives. Listeners will appreciate his insights on visionary planning, financial stewardship, and the importance of personal connections in enhancing church community life.

Andrew Hamilton, author and seasoned bivocational minister, dives into the future of church leadership. He discusses the theological foundation for bivocational ministry, emphasizing that work is part of God's design, not a curse. Listeners explore practical strategies such as effective communication with church leaders and prioritizing essential tasks. Hamilton also shares insights on merging faith with work, showing that meaningful ministry extends into everyday life, and how balancing these roles can enhance community engagement and personal fulfillment.

Bryan Sims, co-author of 'Creating Space' and a coach with Spiritual Leadership, Inc., discusses vital strategies for fostering environments where discipleship can thrive. He emphasizes the importance of Passionate Spiritual Disciples (PSDs) and authentic relationships within the church. Topics include the necessity of deep listening, vulnerability, and accountability for meaningful spiritual growth. Bryan breaks down four stages of disciple-making and shares actionable tools for pastors to cultivate healthy church environments, promoting collective faith journeys.

Karl Vaters interviews Derek Maxson about some simple ways to make sure your church website is reaching the three kinds of people who are most likely to use it.Derek runs Spiffy.Church, an online ministry that specializes in helping smaller churches get the most from their websites, using limited time and resources.Derek and Karl talk about how to optimize your church website by making it simple and affordable, and how to use it to help three types of people.Insiders (your church members and regulars)Shoppers (those looking for a new church home)Seekers (those who are curious about the faith or who are needing help in a time of crisis)Links:Spiffy.Church Bonus videoThree Simple Changes You Can Make To Your Church Website, with Derek MaxsonChurch websites shouldn’t be as complicated as we make them. In this bonus chat, Karl Vaters talks with Derek Maxson about a few quick changes you can make to your church website that will immediately make it better for everyone. Links:Spiffy.ChurchTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Mika Edmondson, Pastor of Koinonia Church, dives into the pressing issue of racial segregation within American churches. With insightful analysis, he explores the importance of affinity spaces and their role in promoting unity. He discusses the historical context behind the creation of Historically Black Churches and critiques the theological justifications for segregation. Highlighting the gospel's transformative power, Mika emphasizes the need for open dialogue about race in faith communities, making the case for a more inclusive, compassionate approach to ministry.