

The Church Lobby
Karl Vaters
Karl Vaters interviews church leaders about the important issues of faith and ministry.
It's called The Church Lobby because:
The church lobby is where the church meets and does ministry.
The church lobby moves conversations from the stage to the floor.
The church lobby is a good place to take the temperature of a church’s health.
Karl Vaters is the author of several books, including Small Church Essentials and The Grasshopper Myth. Formerly known as Can This Work In a Small Church?, this podcast primarily looks at church leadership from a small church perspective.
It's called The Church Lobby because:
The church lobby is where the church meets and does ministry.
The church lobby moves conversations from the stage to the floor.
The church lobby is a good place to take the temperature of a church’s health.
Karl Vaters is the author of several books, including Small Church Essentials and The Grasshopper Myth. Formerly known as Can This Work In a Small Church?, this podcast primarily looks at church leadership from a small church perspective.
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Aug 28, 2025 • 47min
Ep 110: Healthy Goal-setting and Helping The Big Church Feel Small, with Luke Simmons
In this engaging discussion, Luke Simmons, Pastor of Ironwood Church in Mesa, AZ, shares his innovative plan to connect with 1,000 church members through one-on-one coffee meetings. He dives into the challenges and strategies of maintaining intimacy in a large congregation while fostering discipleship and fellowship. Luke emphasizes setting numerical goals that align with deeper spiritual objectives. Listeners will appreciate his insights on visionary planning, financial stewardship, and the importance of personal connections in enhancing church community life.

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Aug 14, 2025 • 1h 3min
Ep 109: The Future is Bivocational, with Andrew Hamilton
Andrew Hamilton, author and seasoned bivocational minister, dives into the future of church leadership. He discusses the theological foundation for bivocational ministry, emphasizing that work is part of God's design, not a curse. Listeners explore practical strategies such as effective communication with church leaders and prioritizing essential tasks. Hamilton also shares insights on merging faith with work, showing that meaningful ministry extends into everyday life, and how balancing these roles can enhance community engagement and personal fulfillment.

Jul 31, 2025 • 1h 7min
Ep 108: Creating an Environment for Discipleship to Thrive and Multiply, with Bryan Sims
Bryan Sims, co-author of 'Creating Space' and a coach with Spiritual Leadership, Inc., discusses vital strategies for fostering environments where discipleship can thrive. He emphasizes the importance of Passionate Spiritual Disciples (PSDs) and authentic relationships within the church. Topics include the necessity of deep listening, vulnerability, and accountability for meaningful spiritual growth. Bryan breaks down four stages of disciple-making and shares actionable tools for pastors to cultivate healthy church environments, promoting collective faith journeys.

Jul 17, 2025 • 46min
Ep 107: Optimizing Your Church Website for Three Key Types of Visitors, with Derek Maxson
Karl Vaters interviews Derek Maxson about some simple ways to make sure your church website is reaching the three kinds of people who are most likely to use it.Derek runs Spiffy.Church, an online ministry that specializes in helping smaller churches get the most from their websites, using limited time and resources.Derek and Karl talk about how to optimize your church website by making it simple and affordable, and how to use it to help three types of people.Insiders (your church members and regulars)Shoppers (those looking for a new church home)Seekers (those who are curious about the faith or who are needing help in a time of crisis)Links:Spiffy.Church Bonus videoThree Simple Changes You Can Make To Your Church Website, with Derek MaxsonChurch websites shouldn’t be as complicated as we make them. In this bonus chat, Karl Vaters talks with Derek Maxson about a few quick changes you can make to your church website that will immediately make it better for everyone. Links:Spiffy.ChurchTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Jul 3, 2025 • 1h 5min
Ep 106: Segregation, Affinity Spaces, and How the Gospel Defeats Racism, with Mika Edmondson
Mika Edmondson, Pastor of Koinonia Church, dives into the pressing issue of racial segregation within American churches. With insightful analysis, he explores the importance of affinity spaces and their role in promoting unity. He discusses the historical context behind the creation of Historically Black Churches and critiques the theological justifications for segregation. Highlighting the gospel's transformative power, Mika emphasizes the need for open dialogue about race in faith communities, making the case for a more inclusive, compassionate approach to ministry.

Jun 19, 2025 • 47min
Ep 105: Recovering from Sexually Related Trauma, with Rachel Bren
Rachel Bren is a survivor of sexually related trauma, and now she serves with SRTServices.org, which helps people recover from their trauma, and can help you and your church. She’s also the co-host of the Grace & Grenades podcast.Karl Vaters interviews Rachel about what sexual related trauma is, how the church can help those dealing with it, some mistakes to avoid, and more.Links:SRTServices.orgGrace & GrenadesOur church introduction videoBrene Brown video on sympathy vs. empathyThe Allender Center PodcastThe Place We Find Ourselves PodcastGrace & Grenades PodcastYou can reach Rachel by email at rachel@srtservices.org and the website www.srtservices.orgBonus videoHow Your Church Can Help People Recover from Sexually Related Trauma, with Rachel BrenKarl Vaters talks with Rachel Bren about how SRTServices.org can come alongside your church to give you the tools to help people who are dealing with sexually related trauma.Links:SRTServices.orgGrace & GrenadesTo get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.

Jun 5, 2025 • 55min
Ep 104: What Is the Minimum for a Church to be Viable? with Sam Peters
In this engaging discussion, Sam Peters, a church consultant and author of multiple influential books, shares insights into the viability of microchurches. He explores the essential elements necessary for a church to thrive, focusing on community and discipleship. Peters highlights the limitations of traditional church models, emphasizing the need for active engagement over passive attendance. With a fresh perspective, he advocates for flexibility and community integration to foster meaningful spiritual connections, particularly in the post-pandemic landscape.

May 22, 2025 • 1h 2min
Ep 103: Helping Small Churches Win Guests, with Desmond Barrett
Desmond Barrett, an experienced pastor and author of 'Helping Small Churches Win Guests,' shares his insights on revitalizing small church congregations. He discusses how to enhance the guest experience through facility improvements and effective communication. Barrett emphasizes that attracting young families isn't the sole solution—true growth stems from authentic relationships and intentional community engagement. Listeners will learn practical strategies for creating a welcoming atmosphere that fosters connections and encourages spiritual commitment.

May 8, 2025 • 51min
Ep 102: Five Trends In Technology and the Church, with Brad Hill
In this engaging discussion, Brad Hill, Chief Solutions Officer at Gloo, sheds light on the evolving relationship between technology and the church. He reveals that many Christians see vast potential in using digital tools. Gen Z, while online, still craves genuine in-person connections. Brad also addresses the ethical considerations of AI in the church, noting that pastors must guide their communities thoughtfully. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of merging technology with personal relationships in ministry for meaningful engagement.

Apr 24, 2025 • 48min
Ep 101: Ministry Sustainability without Money Stress, with Eric Hoke
Eric Hoke is known as the “I Help Pastors Get Jobs” Guy.Karl Vaters talks with Eric about how to build long-term sustainable ministry, reduce financial stress, and create value in the marketplace by becoming an intentionally covocational pastor.Eric’s new book, Market Street Pastor: Ministry Sustainability without Money Stress, addresses many of the issues involved in making the shift toward covocational ministry.This conversation covers the subjects of:The mindset shift that most pastors must take to start down this roadThe value pastors bring to the marketplaceFinding your marketable skills through using the Heart- Head-Hands-Feet methodHow to get through the clutter of thousands of job applicantsHow to present yourself and your skillsAnd so much more Links from this episode:Market Street Pastor: Ministry Sustainability without Money StressIHelpPastorsGetJobs.comDaily Examen App: "Reimagining the Examen" for iphone and androidBonus ContentHow to Build a LinkedIn Profile that Will Get Job Leads, with Eric HokeLinkedIn remains a primary online site for those seeking employment, and it’s especially helpful for pastors seeking covocational employment.In this very practical conversation, Eric Hoke talks with Karl Vaters about some common mistakes to avoid and opportunities to take advantage of that will get you noticed—and get the side hustle job that suits your skills and needs.To get Bonus Content every week, click here to become a Financial Partner, or here to subscribe to the Free Weekly Newsletter.