Gospel Tangents Podcast

Scholars Diedre Green & Eric Huntsman discuss their book on Atonement, exploring different models of Christ's sacrifice and how grace plays a role. They delve into the complexity of atonement frameworks, including feminist and LDS perspectives, and examine the role of violence in theology.

Dive into atonement theology with Dr. Terryl Givens, discussing theories like penal substitution & Christus Victor. Explore the evolution of atonement theories in Christianity, reevaluate penal substitution, and examine consequential substitution. Navigate boundaries in discussing Heavenly Mother.

Rick held a livestream to discuss Lehi's ocean crossing & possible routes to the Promised Land for Lehi. It seems an Atlantic Crossing is much more likely than a Pacific Crossing, and we'll discuss why. Check out our conversation...

Tunisia has the oldest synagogue outside Israel. Does it have Book of Mormon ties? Eryj Ben Sassi discusses, Tarshish, Tunisia, & the Book of Mormon character Mulek and how he may have come to Tunisia on his way to North America. Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/Rlu29qls_DQ Don't miss our other segments with Eryj! https://gospeltangents.com/people-eryj-ben-sassi transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission Philip Beale's Visit to Tunisia  GT  00:27  I'm trying to remember. I've seen Yuri Sanada's video. And when Philip Beale was leaving, because he visited Tunisia... Eryj  00:40  Yes, this is how I know him. GT  00:42  Oh, were you there? That's what I was going to ask. Eryj  00:43  I met him. Okay. In 2019, we received the ship and the crew. We prepared the big reception. GT  00:53  It was a big reception! It didn't even make the newspaper here in America, I don’t think. But it was a big deal in Tunisia. Eryj  01:01  In Tunisia, a lot of newspapers talked about this event, media. It was very important for us. We have the support of our government, our Minister of Culture, our Minister of Tourism, also, and a lot of organizations, companies believe in this project and also an association of Marines. GT  01:35  Okay. Eryj  01:40  We made the reception there. We took all the crew members to visit Carthage to visit the Coliseum of Elgin and we were invited in the Prince's house. He is a descendant of the last Bey of Tunisia. So we have a small museum, a private museum in his house. GT  02:08  Oh, wow. Eryj  02:09  Yes. And he invited all the group to his house, and we ate Tunisian food, and it was awesome. GT  02:21  Yeah, I bet. Eryj  02:22  So after this event, I followed, personally, the ship. It sailed around Morocco, where we organized with the association in Essaouira, which is chaired by Mr. Andre Azoulay, who is the adviser of his Majesty, the King of Morocco. He also has the same values that we want to highlight our history. He was amazed by receiving the Phoenicia ship and the crew. They organized, also, a big reception, in Essaouira. From that time, it was the last time I saw the Phoenician ship with my eyes. When I look like this, I have this image of the Phoenicia ship leaving the port of Essaouira. GT  03:41  Oh, nice, that is interesting. Eryj  03:43  But I followed, also, the ship until it arrived to Florida. I tried to help, but it was very difficult to help from Tunisia to find a place for her in Florida. Hopefully, there's somebody who helped the Phoenicia to have a place. GT  04:07  Okay. And so, this was a big news. I know Philip had a satellite phone, so that he could communicate. But really, there wasn't much communication going on. I guess they must have had a generator for batteries and things, because I know, Yuri had a camera, so they had to keep the camera going. Eryj  04:34  Exactly. GT  04:35  And so they had a few modern amenities that the ancient Phoenicians probably didn't have. But do you remember how long it took from--so the last stop was in Morocco? Eryj  04:48  Yes. GT  04:48  Until they, I guess they landed somewhere before Florida? Eryj  04:53  Yes, so from Morocco they went to Tenerife. GT  04:58  Okay. Eryj  04:59  And from Tenerife, I think they left Morocco, I think, the first of November, one week after they arrived to Tenerife, if I have a good memory. GT  05:18  And that was their last stop before a long, long journey. Eryj  05:22  But Captain Philip Beale and Yuri, they will give you more information about this. So, I think they stayed in Tenerife, about 10 days, maybe two weeks. After the journey [of] crossing the Atlantic started.  So, they stayed there, [in the Atlantic Ocean,] I think, five weeks, six weeks before arriving to Caribbean. GT  05:25  Very good.

Eryj Ben Sassi is the Founder & President of Association Didon of Carthage in Tunisia. She believes that ancient Phoenicians came from North Africa to North America in 600 BC. In February she came to Washington, DC for a diplomatic reception to strengthen ties with the Heartland Research Group.  We'll discuss more about her group and why she believes that. Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/bGrHWlv5Dys Don't miss our other segments with Eryj! https://gospeltangents.com/people-eryj-ben-sassi Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission GT  00:27  Welcome to Gospel Tangents. I'm excited to have an international visitor here. Could you go ahead and tell us who you are, and where are we? Eryj  00:36  Thank you, Rick, for having me today with your channel. I am Eryj Ben Sassi. I'm coming from Carthage, from Tunisia in North Africa. GT  00:48  That’s very exciting. So what brought you here? We're in the Washington DC area. What brought you here? Eryj  00:55  I'm very excited to be here in Washington, DC. I am the president and founder of the Association Didon of Carthage. I represent my association and my country, the culture part of my country. We have a partnership with an American association called the Heartland Research [Group.] Together we will try to bring the Old World to the New World. GT  01:29  We're excited about this. Last night, we met at the [Tunisian] ambassador's home and had a fantastic meeting and get together. You and the Heartland Research Group, you've been following Philip Beale. For those who may not remember who is Philip Beale and why do both you and the Heartland Research Group like him so much? Eryj  01:46  Philip Beale is a genius man, an exceptional man. He built a Phoenician replica ship in Syria years ago. He started his journey in 2008. His first journey started from 2008 to 2010, so two years to make the circumnavigation around Africa. At that time, I didn't know him. GT  02:30  I didn't either. Eryj  02:31  Personally, I don't know him. Okay. But he started a second expedition, second adventure in 2019. He came from England to Carthage. And this expedition [was] called, Phoenicians before Columbus. The objective of this expedition is to prove that Phoenicians and Carthaginians were the first to discover the American continent 600 BC or maybe more. I suppose that is before 600 BC. GT  03:15  Yeah, so you think that ancient Phoenicians could have traveled all the way from say, Israel to Carthage, and then on to America? Eryj  03:26  Yes, I believe.  So we have in our history two famous admirals, Carthaginian admirals. They are the most famous navigators of that time, of ancient time. So, Admiral Himincon went from Carthage to Cornwall in England. GT  03:56  Okay. Eryj  03:57  And Admiral Hannon went from Carthage to Cameroon… GT  04:04  Oh, wow. Eryj  04:05  …with a fleet of 60 ships. So, if these two admirals were the experts of navigation and can navigate to Cornwall and to Cameroon, they can easily go to America. And, especially, as Captain Phillip says, because he is an expert. I'm not an expert of navigation. He said that navigating through the Atlantic Ocean is very easy when we compare it to the Mediterranean. GT  04:56  Okay. Oh, it's easier than... Eryj  04:57  It's like a vacation for them. GT  04:59  Oh, really? Eryj  05:00  It's very easy, because the Mediterranean is very difficult, as he said. We have, also, the Gulf Stream in the Atlantic Ocean. So, I think that ancient people could easily reach America at that time. They were curious to know new places, to make their trading. GT  05:35  Do you think this was just a one-time voyage or were they going back and forth? Eryj  05:40  I think that it was a lot more, not one time. If they discovered it, I think they made a lot of travels between this area and America.

What was discovered at Hawn's Mill? Archaeologist Paul Debarthe from the Community of Christ details musket balls, and why he refuses to find the well where 17 men at boys were buried following the massacre at Hawn's Mill. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/dakb9xavIXw Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission Musket Fire at Hawn's Mill GT  00:31  Well, I know I've kept you long time Paul and it's getting late. Do you have any last thoughts? Is there anything as far as Hawn's Mill that we didn't cover? Actually, I think there is something, you did say that you found Musket Balls. Paul  00:51  Yes. Yes, we found both the rifle and pistol balls. So it’s very good evidence of the battle that was conducted there. Some probably close to 500 Missouri regulars came in and there were probably as many as 30 people in Hawn's Mill at the time. The Hamlet was pretty small. It was a scattering of maybe a dozen buildings. And yes, there was a significant military incident that occurred there. And sadly, it was really a massacre for those 17 people. And, again, I would call to people's attention that it's so much better if we love each other. GT  01:37  I agree. Paul  01:41  It's not that difficult. I mean, I understand that there are people who get angry and want to go to war. We have an awful lot of heritage, that wants to go to war. But the call, as I understand it, of God to mankind, is that you don't have to be a dysfunctional family. You can overcome the dysfunctionality of your past. If you will learn to love each other, follow the teachings of the Christ. Recognize that to use a bit of compassion can be a good alternative. And when we are compassionate and follow the compact for compassion, it's just amazing how much better our lives can be. Look what difference it is, when, for example, you have the Iroquois Confederation where leaders take a vow to keep in mind the welfare of the children in every political decision they made. Even the unborn children. That was a priority. The women were the one that selected the men to go on the council. And if you offended a woman then you probably didn't get on that council. So, you had better mind your manners throughout your growing up life. But the tug and pull here, making it so that you have to keep in mind the benefit of the children with every political decision you make, made it so that the Iroquois Confederation was a powerful, strong, beautiful Confederation. We have a lot to learn from them. I am so convinced that the cause of Zion that Joseph Smith advocated so much is the promised land that is still before us. And we can learn to not be so dysfunctional. If we follow the message of my sweet wife."Don't forget to love each other." GT  03:30  I think that's a great place to leave. All right. Well, Paul DeBarthe, remind people what the name of your book is again. Paul  03:41  Oh, here I had it open for the map. Hawn's Mills Hamlet. GT  03:46  Okay. Paul  03:47  And it's an archaeological investigation. Phase three archaeological investigation conducted by hands on history students in high school and college. The map inside will show you just a little bit of a sketch of what Hawn's Mill looks like. It's in Caldwell County, Missouri. It's a site that is an example of lessons in history that we need to learn. There's an awful lot of those. We're walking on 10,000 years of cultural residue, virtually everywhere we walk in America, or more. And we generally don't appreciate it. The fact we bulldoze the buildings that are 20 years old and replace them because we got something better now. And we put parking lots and apartment houses on the ancient sites and pay no attention to the people that were covering over that way. We can do a better job of appreciating and respecting our heritage, our own culture but other people's cultures.

Rick Bennett discusses the Q&A given by Community of Christ leaders earlier this week and shares photos from some of the properties in Nauvoo sold to the LDS Church last week. He also answers viewer questions. Check out our conversation... https://youtube.com/live/2gfppMuScRI transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission

Unlike the LDS Church where unanimity is almost an article of faith, the Community of Christ has an official church position on faithful disagreement. The Church has a long history of disagreement and we'll even allude to the Milk Strippings story, where the Standing High Council ruled against Thomas Marsh, pres of the Quorum of 12 Apostles. The CoC still has this Standing High Council. (Brigham abolished it in the LDS Church.) Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/OdMdsCzmy6A Don’t miss our other conversations with Brittany: https://gospeltangents.com/people/brittany-mangelson transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

In the LDS Church it is routine to ordain teenagers to be deacons, teachers, and priests. In the Community of Christ, these roles are filled by adults. How are the roles different? We'll talk about that with Community of Christ pastor Brittany Mangelson. We'll also talk about the roles of Seventies in the two churches. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/mafpZ5fIKJE Don’t miss our other conversations with Brittany: https://gospeltangents.com/people/brittany-mangelson transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Unlike the LDS Church, the Community of Christ has open baptism from other Christian churches as long as the person was at least 8 years old at the time of baptism. We'll talk more about the move to change baptism requirements and discuss priesthood ordination. Check out our conversation.... https://youtu.be/uBYWtBogU_A Don’t miss our other conversations with Brittany: https://gospeltangents.com/people/brittany-mangelson transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved