Real Photo Show with Michael Chovan-Dalton

"There's this expression, 'The Decisive Moment,' I'm sure it functioned for a while, but the question in a photograph isn't when, it's why...I want people to look at my photographs and the 'why' is there, it's how I teach photography, it's all one thing for me." Thomas Roma has been a teacher and mentor to many photographers, including me. His list of accomplishments, which includes fourteen and counting monographs, is far too long to even try to include here, but you can check them out on his website linked below. This episode went long so it will be in two parts. Some links to sites mentioned during the show: See Tom's extensive bio, media links, and published books at http://thomasroma.com Follow Tom on Twitter @ThomasRomaPhoto Check out Tom's upcoming exhibit at http://www.stevenkasher.com Here is a link to Giancarlo Roma's site that sells special editions of Lee Friedlander photo books: http://www.haywirepress.com Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Kai McBride Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"So when I found out that the flash didn't really affect the roosters at all, then that's when I started photographing." Tony Chirinos calls in to talk about how he got started in photography and his ten year graduation plan at Miami Dade College where he now teaches photography. His journey into the medical world helped him produce his haunting photos of surgery, surgical instruments, and morgues. As a child his father used to tell him stories about his life that included experiences with cockfighting. Tony always thought that his father was embellishing the stories for drama until he set out to photograph cockfights and realized the stories were all true. Tony and Stephen Hilger (Chair of Photo at Pratt University) are also the two photographers who started the traveling Pannaroma show that you have heard about so many times on the podcast. Tony's Website: http://www.tonychirinos.com Some things mentioned during the show: Joe Ely's "Gallo del Cielo" - I can not publish a link to where you can hear this for free, but I'm sure you know how to search for a song on a popular tube sight. Here are some free legal samples: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/gallo-del-cielo/id2526728?i=2526702 http://www.amazon.com/Gallo-Del-Cielo/dp/B005T4OAJE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444506254&sr=8-1&keywords=joe+ely+gallo PhotoEye & Slate Magazine published Tony's Fighting Cocks series. http://www.photoeye.com/gallery/forms2/index.cfm?image=1&id=78500&imagePosition=1&Door=2&Portfolio=Portfolio1&Gallery=2 http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/01/27/tony_chirinos_photographs_cockfights_in_his_series_cocks.html En Foco - Advocacy organization for photographers of diverse cultures based in the U.S. http://enfoco.org Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Kai McBride Opening phone call with Kai McBride & Patrice Helmar Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"We had decided we were going to make a short documentary in 16mm, which I had never shot...and we decided we were going to make it about dominatrixes." Sasha Waters-Freyer is an experimental and documentary filmmaker. Her work has been screened at the Telluride Film Festival, the Film Society of Lincoln Center, the Rotterdam and more. Sasha is also the Chair of Photography and Film at Virginia Commonwealth University and, as she describes it, "the number one public art school in the United States." We caught up with Sasha while she was in New York working on her latest project, All Things are Photographable, a documentary about the legendary photographer Garry Winogrand. See more of her work and read more about her accomplishments at http://www.pieshake.com and check out her photo/film program at http://arts.vcu.edu/photofilm/. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Dennis Santella Introduction phone call guests are previous guests and co-hosts Kai McBride and Patrice Helmar Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"My father was an insurance person, a loss control specialist, and so he knew about Cooper Union because he inspected the building. So he found out that hey there's a thing that my daughter could go to and it's tuition free and why the heck doesn't she apply." Top secret pool-playing forensic photographer Laura Sellers isn't on social media, doesn't have a website, doesn't like texting, but loves sending letters. She is out in the non-virtual world working as a photographer, teaching, and putting together great shows like the recent anniversary Design & Typography show at The Cooper Union. Laura is currently the Archive Coordinator for the Herb Lubalin Study Center of Design and Typography at The Cooper Union. Some links to things mentioned in the show: Thirty - Anniversary Exhibition for the Lubalin Center https://www.cooper.edu/events-and-exhibitions/exhibitions/thirty Joy of Giving Something Video on Careers in Photography http://www.jgsinc.org/res-test/careers-in-photography/forensic-photographer-laura-mircik-sellers/ Host: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Anibal Pella-Woo Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"Humble yourself, and let's talk about just how much you get rejected." Jared Thorne skypes in from his new home and new photo teaching job at Ohio State University at Columbus to talk about his experiences as a photographer and his desire to both understand and challenge preconceived notions of Black identity. His investigation (and a girlfriend) will take him to South Africa where he explores the "myth of harmony" since the end of Apartheid. Check out his work at http://jaredthorne.com Some links to references mentioned in the show: James Nacthwey http://www.jamesnachtwey.com Ernest Cole https://www.nyu.edu/greyart/exhibits/ernest_cole/colehome.html Documentary: Concerning Violence http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3263690/ David Goldblatt http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/jul/02/apartheids-twisted-dream/ Dineo Seshee Bopape http://stevenson.info/artists/bopape.html Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Visit thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"You have a vacuum cleaner that's reversed, a couple of pipe fittings, and now an old barbecue that you cut the bottom out of and you have a forge that you can use...and we started making knives in the backyard..." Dennis has degrees in Neuroscience and Behavior, Environmental Health Science, and Visual Arts. It's no surprise that many of his answers in our conversation are carefully explained from several points of view. Dennis resists making a direct connection from his educational background and interests to his photographic projects, but you can see the influences in the projects that explore behavior, technology, environment, and cultural history. Check out some of Dennis' work and some other references that come up during the show: Website: http://www.santella.org/dennis/ Instagram: https://instagram.com/ds709/ Affirmation Arts: http://www.affirmationarts.com Lost Art Press: http://blog.lostartpress.com Wisdom of the Hands: http://wisdomofhands.blogspot.com Poetry Foundation: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/179870 http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/178191 Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Visit thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"We used to go out to the woods and capture scorpions, spiders, and stuff like that." After 17 years away from home, Yoav has returned to Israel as a photographer who has been educated in the United States and influenced by an international community. Yoav took a break from teaching after establishing the Savannah College of Art and Design Photography Program in Hong Kong, and now has returned to teaching this year and will be lecturing about photography in Israel for the first time. You can see his work and follow Yoav at these sites: http://yoavhoresh.com https://instagram.com/yoav.horesh https://www.facebook.com/yoav.horesh Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Visit thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"Throughout my adolescence in high school years I was really only consumed with two things like skateboarding…and music and the music was all punk and hardcore…" Jeff Ladd collects, studies, reviews, and just generally loves photography books. He is a founding member of Errata Editions, an organization dedicated to the page by page printed studies of rare and out-of-print photo books and making these studies accessible to students and fellow enthusiasts. Jeff is also a photographer and photo blogger. His reviews and writings have appeared in publications around the world. You can see Jeff's work at http://jeffreyladd.com and his blog is at http://40by50.com. Errata Editions can be found at http://errataeditions.com. Host: Michael Chovan-Dalton Visit http://thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram https://instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

“Memorial Day is a very sad day (in Israel), everyone stands still for one minute. We never go and do barbecue…we don’t have sales…and we don’t think about it as a day off…” Inbal's work involves memory, conflict, and the way we memorialize war. In 2012 she was nominated for the prestigious Prix Pictet award for her "Nothing Left Here but the Hurt" series. Her subject matter is deeply connected to her upbringing and experiences in Israel. When we spoke to Inbal she was just finishing her stint teaching at the Photography Summer Intensive at Columbia University and she was also just weeks away from giving birth to her second son. Check out her website at http://inbalabergil.com Watch a slideshow of her work while listening to the show at http://slideluck.com/inbal-abergil/ Visit http://thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/realphotoshow Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1

"I’m not dumb, I like Europe" Patrice got her start in photography as a young camera tester for allegedly broken tourist cameras at her father’s photography store in Alaska. She holds two masters degrees, one in education and the other, an MFA from Columbia School of the Arts. Her plan now is to split her time between Alaska and New York City for as long as she can continue to find work. Hosts: Michael Dalton and Anibal Pella-Woo Check out her work at http://patricehelmar.com and follow her on Instagram https://instagram.com/patchop/ and on twitter https://twitter.com/patchop Visit http://thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/realphotoshow Like us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1