Real Photo Show with Michael Chovan-Dalton

"...the piece I had there had a big pillow pile in the middle of the room and all of a sudden at a certain point I looked over and the pillow pile was filled with children like it had become like the ball pit of open studios..." Michael and Kai sit down with Rachel at Columbia University to discuss her show, Love 2016, that she curated at the Leroy Neiman Gallery in New York. Rachel is currently an MFA student at Columbia School of the Arts in her second year. We talk about the differences between creating work and creating a show from the work of others and how both processes can source the same creative impulses and influences. Rachel also reveals a long held secret from her time with the photographer Mary Ellen Mark. Links: Article & Images from Love 2016: http://www.vice.com/read/love-2016-explores Catalog from the show -click on preview: http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/1039174?__r=78348 Website: http://msrachelstern.com Tumblr: http://rachelstern.tumblr.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachelstern/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"...as the hick from Louisville who went to Chicago I always wanted to be in New York and I was in fact doing my Lunchtime photographs in Chicago at that moment, I loved the idea of working on the streets of New York, and frankly, most candidly, the job didn't seem like a sales job to me, because it wasn't, it was a curatorial job, it was a way to make a statement about what photography is or was and I thought it would be wonderful..." We pickup our conversation with Charlie as he enters the gallery world with Light Gallery, founded by Tennyson Schad, in the 1970's. Light Gallery was the first of its kind, dedicated to showing contemporary photographers. It would become the model for modern day galleries and Charlie was again at the forefront of helping to shape the modern photography show and giving photographers not included in the museum world a place to show. We then switch gears from photo history to a good amount of time talking about Charlie's photographic projects and his books. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Links from the show: Charles' site http://www.charlestraub.com Still Life in America Interactive Site http://stilllifeinamerica.com SVA MFA Program http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"My father would say, 'son you just don't see it.' What's to see, I would respond. 'It's in the horizon line.' Didn't get it. Flip forward 10 years...I'm a senior in the University of Illinois...and as always the case...photography was in the basement of the basement and as I went down the stairs...above the transom was a long panorama of the Illinois landscape. I looked at it and said, oh my god, what a beauty, that's what my father was fucking talking about." Charlie Traub has an amazing life and career in photography. He has been the MFA Chair of Photography, Video, and Related Media at the School of Visual Arts for almost three decades and that started after he helped transform the photography department at Columbia College in Chicago and after he had been the director of the famous Light Gallery in NYC. All the while he has been making work, publishing books, having shows, writing about photography, and staying open to new ideas and ways of photographing. Part 1 starts out with Charlie's tumultuous beginnings that led him to his career in photography. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Links: Website: http://www.charlestraub.com Twitter: @CharlesTraub https://twitter.com/CharlesTraub Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"A lot of my thanks have to go to Bob (Fishkin) because he was in many ways a surrogate father figure to me besides my own dad, because he offered me opportunities that no one else had before." Kai and Michael visit Jeff Hirsch at his famed camera store, Foto Care in NYC. Jeff lays out the storied history of Foto Care from its start as the Underground Gallery on 10th Street where Duane Michals had his first solo exhibition to being one of the few camera stores left in New York that still takes pride in having relationships with and being supportive of photographers. Jeff started out as a photographer and discovered, while working at Fishkin Brothers in New Jersey, that he had a talent for solving problems for other photographers. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Kai McBride Links: http://www.fotocare.com/ https://www.facebook.com/fotocare/ https://twitter.com/fotocare https://www.instagram.com/fotocarenyc/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"...she has like her cheerleading jacket inside glass and kind of on an easel, and all kinds of pictures of her daughter, and a swing outside on the lawn that has a plaque on it..." Kathy Shorr started out in photography by photographing her children and being told they were pretty good photographs. From there she took a night class at the School of Visual Arts and was told by her professor that the photos were very good, and after making sure her professor wasn't just being nice, she enrolled full-time at SVA where she graduated with honors. Kathy has a streak of social activism in her. She has taught documentary photo to kids with behavioral issues in the public school system, and she has taught photo workshops at GMHC and The Fortune Society. The success of Kathy's work comes directly from how she immerses herself into what she is working on. Her latest project, SHOT, explores survivors of gun violence. You can see more of her work at the links below. Links Follow Kathy on Twitter @katshorr https://twitter.com/katshorr See the SHOT project at http://www.shotproject.org See more of Kathy's work at http://www.kathyshorr.com Host: Michael Chovan-Dalton Show opening with Patrice Helmar Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"So I was obsessed with smoke on a number of levels and I had to smoke like 20 cigarettes an hour in order to produce these pictures which was supposedly going to help me quit." Eileen Quinlan's photographic work explores the history, the tradition, and the boundaries of the medium itself. She has had amazing success as a working artist, Eileen is represented by Campoli Presti in London and Miguel Abreu in New York. She and her husband, Cheney Thompson, moved to Brooklyn to an old garage that they shared with friends to help pay for the rent and then eventually purchased the building to use as their studio. They live and work in Brooklyn. Check out her work at: http://eileenquinlan.com Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Mentioned during the show: - Campoli Presti Gallery: http://www.campolipresti.com/eileen-quinlan-@/artists.html?artist=10&page=images - Miguel Abreu Gallery: http://miguelabreugallery.com/EileenQuinlan.htm - Cheney Thompson: http://www.andrewkreps.com/artist/cheyney-thompson - Wols - Alfred Otto Wolfgang Schulz http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/wols-alfred-otto-wolfgang-schulze-2164 - The Chapman Brothers: http://jakeanddinoschapman.com - The upcoming January show, "Image Support", at Bergen Kunsthall in Norway is with fellow artists, Ann Cathrin November Høibo, Marieta Chirulescu, and Lucas Black. Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"I'm looking at my son's grandfather's pictures and...I felt like I was trying to explain to him who his grandfather [is.] I didn't mean to do it, I've never talked about Lee's pictures in front of Lee before." Part 2 of our conversation with Thomas Roma begins with Tom continuing to speak about the time he spent with Garry Winogrand, Tod Pappageorge, Paul McDonough, and Lee Friedlander. Also, Tom had just come back from São Paulo, Brazil before this episode so I gave him a call to talk about that experience to start the show. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton and Kai McBride Show opening is with Thomas Roma Some things mentioned in this episode: Thomas Roma's website: http://www.thomasroma.com In The Vale of Cashmere at Steven Kasher Gallery: http://www.stevenkasher.com/exhibitions/thomas-roma-in-the-vale-of-cashmere André Lion Exhibition curated by Tom: http://www.thomasroma.com/essays/49/ Liohn's war work: http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/vantage-point-no-4-reading-the-rebels-in-misurata-libya/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"There's this expression, 'The Decisive Moment,' I'm sure it functioned for a while, but the question in a photograph isn't when, it's why...I want people to look at my photographs and the 'why' is there, it's how I teach photography, it's all one thing for me." Thomas Roma has been a teacher and mentor to many photographers, including me. His list of accomplishments, which includes fourteen and counting monographs, is far too long to even try to include here, but you can check them out on his website linked below. This episode went long so it will be in two parts. Some links to sites mentioned during the show: See Tom's extensive bio, media links, and published books at http://thomasroma.com Follow Tom on Twitter @ThomasRomaPhoto Check out Tom's upcoming exhibit at http://www.stevenkasher.com Here is a link to Giancarlo Roma's site that sells special editions of Lee Friedlander photo books: http://www.haywirepress.com Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Kai McBride Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"So when I found out that the flash didn't really affect the roosters at all, then that's when I started photographing." Tony Chirinos calls in to talk about how he got started in photography and his ten year graduation plan at Miami Dade College where he now teaches photography. His journey into the medical world helped him produce his haunting photos of surgery, surgical instruments, and morgues. As a child his father used to tell him stories about his life that included experiences with cockfighting. Tony always thought that his father was embellishing the stories for drama until he set out to photograph cockfights and realized the stories were all true. Tony and Stephen Hilger (Chair of Photo at Pratt University) are also the two photographers who started the traveling Pannaroma show that you have heard about so many times on the podcast. Tony's Website: http://www.tonychirinos.com Some things mentioned during the show: Joe Ely's "Gallo del Cielo" - I can not publish a link to where you can hear this for free, but I'm sure you know how to search for a song on a popular tube sight. Here are some free legal samples: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/gallo-del-cielo/id2526728?i=2526702 http://www.amazon.com/Gallo-Del-Cielo/dp/B005T4OAJE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444506254&sr=8-1&keywords=joe+ely+gallo PhotoEye & Slate Magazine published Tony's Fighting Cocks series. http://www.photoeye.com/gallery/forms2/index.cfm?image=1&id=78500&imagePosition=1&Door=2&Portfolio=Portfolio1&Gallery=2 http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/01/27/tony_chirinos_photographs_cockfights_in_his_series_cocks.html En Foco - Advocacy organization for photographers of diverse cultures based in the U.S. http://enfoco.org Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Kai McBride Opening phone call with Kai McBride & Patrice Helmar Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"We had decided we were going to make a short documentary in 16mm, which I had never shot...and we decided we were going to make it about dominatrixes." Sasha Waters-Freyer is an experimental and documentary filmmaker. Her work has been screened at the Telluride Film Festival, the Film Society of Lincoln Center, the Rotterdam and more. Sasha is also the Chair of Photography and Film at Virginia Commonwealth University and, as she describes it, "the number one public art school in the United States." We caught up with Sasha while she was in New York working on her latest project, All Things are Photographable, a documentary about the legendary photographer Garry Winogrand. See more of her work and read more about her accomplishments at http://www.pieshake.com and check out her photo/film program at http://arts.vcu.edu/photofilm/. Hosts: Michael Chovan-Dalton & Dennis Santella Introduction phone call guests are previous guests and co-hosts Kai McBride and Patrice Helmar Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1