Real Photo Show with Michael Chovan-Dalton

"It's almost the opposite of daring…I find life to be difficult sometimes, this is my way of dealing with it. I photograph the deepest fears, or happiness, or joys, or flaws or whatever, and I share them with the world and then they are no longer a secret. There is something very healing and liberating about it." Elinor Carucci is a photographer because she discovered from her very first photographs that this process had the potential to create a deeper and more complex understanding of her life and the people who are in her life. Elinor uses photography as a way to stay connected to her family and herself and she sees the act of publicly sharing these intimate descriptions as a means of keeping her relationships open and honest. Kai and Michael sat down with Elinor at her home in Manhattan to talk about how she got started, her three books, a Guggenheim Fellowship, some heart-wrenching editorial work, teaching, belly-dancing, and family. Photo of Elinor by Eran Bentheim Links: Website: http://www.elinorcarucci.com/ Gallery: http://www.houkgallery.com/artists/elinor-carucci/ Facebook: @elinorcarucci https://www.facebook.com/elinorcarucci/ Instagram: @elinorcarucci https://www.instagram.com/elinorcarucci/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"There's this idea for me of like time travel…the closest we get to time travel is this awareness that photographers have …that things will change…and also I've lived long enough that now I can look back 30 years ago…and I've lost some people over the years like there's been people that you know and I'm kind of like I can't believe I didn't take a picture that day." Greg Miller is a Guggenheim Fellowship recipient, an instructor for the International Center of Photography, and one of the hardest working photographers in the business. His work has been widely published and shown. Be sure to check out his 8x10 photography on his website. Kai and Michael sit down with Greg to discuss his successes in both the editorial and the fine art worlds of photography and the mentors and inspirations that have helped make him the photographer that he is today. Michael and Greg also do some catching up to makeup for some lost time and to reconnect after 20+ years. Links: Website: http://www.gregmiller.com/ Facebook: GregMillerPhotography Instagram: @gregmillerfoto Twitter: @gregmillerfoto Linkedin: gregmillerfoto Tumblr: gregmiller Vimeo: gregmillerfoto Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"I left The Cooper Union completely kind of broken just because of the conversations that I was having in terms of things like race, in terms of things like who gets to make art…and I ended up working construction for a year." Claudio Nolasco sits down with Kai and Michael at Patrice Helmar's home in the Bronx just before a Camera and Supper Club presentation. Claudio speaks about his life in terms of transitions. The challenges he faced as he transitioned from a boy growing up in the Dominican Republic to boy living in a gang filled neighborhood in Brooklyn, the identity crisis he had as he studied to become an artist and what it meant to photograph his own people and culture in an authentic way, and the adjustments he had to make to his work and his goals as he moved from the American Northeast to the American Southwest and back again. Opening call with Patrice Helmar (Ep.3) Links: Website: http://www.claudionolasco.com/ Tumblr: http://claudionolasco.tumblr.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/claudiomnolasco Instagram: @claudiomnolasco Anewnothing.com: archived conversation: http://anewnothing.com/claudio-nolasco-yeon-j-yue/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"It's always a balance you kind of have to have…being active and engaging and then stepping back…I reduce totally myself to the camera. Forget about me and how I look… I am really just there to take a picture." Louisa Marie Summer is a German born documentary photographer living in Brooklyn. While she was an MFA student at Rhode Island School of Design she was struck by how diverse the neighborhoods were on Rhode Island and how close the neighborhoods were to each other. This curiosity led to her book "Jennifer's Family" which we talk about in this episode. Her interest in social inequality has become a signature part of her work, but it is also present in the photography workshops she teaches to underprivileged adults and people living with varying needs. Following some of the most traditional uses of photography, Louisa uses it to document inequality and to help improve people's lives. Links: http://www.louisasummer.com/ https://www.facebook.com/louisa.m.summer https://www.instagram.com/louisamariesummer/ http://www.emerge-mag.com/?s=louisa+summer https://freshartnyc.org http://jhproject.org/ (formerly Rehabilitation Through Photography) Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"Do you come home like troubled in your head, yes, but you come back home, you have the comfort of home…but here Brazil is home and now I need to learn to leave it behind again…" André Liohn is an incredible war and documentary photographer. He has seen some of the worst violence that humans can inflict on one another. His experiences have helped shape him into a deeply philosophical photographer. He considers the act of photographing and sharing those photographs as one that carries the responsibility of treating people with respect and dignity. Michael & Kai catch up with André who called in from Brazil after returning from a trip to Tanzania and also after experiencing nasty spill on his motorcycle. Links from the show: Twitter: @andreliohn https://twitter.com/andreliohn Facebook: @andreliohn http://fb.com/andreliohn Instagram: @andre_liohn https://www.instagram.com/andre_liohn/ Vice Article by Giancarlo T. Roma: https://www.vice.com/read/a-war-photographer-returns-home REVOGO Exhibition curated by Thomas Roma: http://www.thomasroma.com/essays/49/ Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"What I tell my students is…the one thing we can not teach and they can not buy is time, and time is the key to it, you just have to keep going out there…you have to be extremely positive, you can’t go out there thinking nothing is going to happen" Matt Stuart is an extremely positive person. He's the kind of photographer where, after you have a conversation with him, you just want to run outside and make photographs. One of his favorite accusations about his photographs is that he must have set it up. He loves this accusation because that means all of his hours spent on the street investigating life for that perfect juxtaposition or theatrical frame have paid off. Matt sits down with Kai and Michael to discuss his new book, "All That Life Can Afford" as well as how he got started and what it takes to be a street photographer. Links from the show: Website & Book: http://www.mattstuart.com/book Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattu1/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mattstuartphoto Twitter: https://twitter.com/mattustu Photographers mentioned during the show that Matt wanted to highlight: Aaron Berger: http://www.aaron-berger.com Joseph Michael Lopez: http://www.josephmlopez.com Todd Gross: http://quarlo.tumblr.com Photo of Matt Stuart © Vincent Montibus Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"When you're essentially trying to get baseballs and magazines signed everyday for seven days, it does kind of become its own thing and takes on a life of its own. What you're doing more than anything is collecting, you know you're in a collector's mentality...That's something I guess I was born with, but having explored it, I definitely understand the idea of being a completist." Giancarlo T. Roma grew up in a family of creative and talented people. His parents are Thomas and Anna Roma and his grandparents are Lee and Maria Friedlander. Names that you know or should know in the world of photography. Through both nature and nurture, Giancarlo has inherited this creativity and drive, and has embraced the "family business." Kai and Michael sat down with Giancarlo to discuss his upbringing, writings, collaborations with his father, organizing his grandfather's entire body of work, and his mobile app company. Links from the show: Haywire Press: http://www.haywirepress.com/; @haywirepress for Instagram Mondo Cane NYT Article: http://thomasroma.com/essays/46/ Friedlander Vice Article: https://www.vice.com/read/the-whole-picture-0000596-v22n3 Chess Vice Article: https://www.vice.com/read/chess-players-405 The Waters of Our Time Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Waters-Our-Time-HC/dp/1576877965/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Amazon Author Page for Bio: http://www.amazon.com/Giancarlo-T.-Roma/e/B001K8KTKC Twitter and Instagram: @giancarlotroma Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"We used to buy pictures and I'd say, well how much are your photographs, and they would say, um $25.00, and I'd say, why don't you make it $50.00…" We pickup with Susan on her point about still seeing photographs that are unlike other photographs and discuss the influences and effects that the post-modern period brought to photography. Susan talks a bit more about her time with John Szarkowski at MoMA and she tells us about projects she is working on, teaching photo history, and her studio visits with students that she describes as honest and sometimes blunt, but always as something she looks forward to. Biography: http://art.yale.edu/SusanKismaric Books: http://www.artbook.com/c11832.html More Books: http://www.amazon.com/Susan-Kismaric/e/B001K8MQVW Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"My sister and I would take our money [meant] for the collection box and drive downtown in Parkersburg West Virginia...and buy the New Yorker for that week and two candy bars and then we would drive the car to the city park and sit and read the New Yorker...and eat our candy bars and then go home and pretend we'd gone to mass." Michael & Kai sit down with Susan Kismaric in her Manhattan apartment for a two part episode of the show. Susan was a curator in the photography department at the Museum of Modern Art and started working there in 1976, she retired in 2011. She has been influential in shaping the history of photography and has been a part of too many shows and books to list here. You can see some of her projects in the links below. In part one we get to hear about how Susan got into the art world Links: Biography: http://art.yale.edu/SusanKismaric Books: http://www.artbook.com/c11832.html More Books: http://www.amazon.com/Susan-Kismaric/e/B001K8MQVW Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud

"They didn't really care about communism at all, but they were just doing it because it was giving them an opportunity for better living, so they were just being smart about it. But they were atheists, because it was super super strict back then...and if you didn't want to disappear, if you didn't want to go out to camp or whatever you had to be an atheist." Michael and guest co-host, Dennis Santella, have an internet conversation with Polina from her home in Prague. We have a fascinating conversation that weaves in and out of her photographic projects and her life growing up in a collapsing Soviet Union and a rising Russian state. Be sure to check out the links below while listening to the show. Links: Website: http://www.shubkinap.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/shubkinap @shubkinap Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/shupolina/ @shupolina Article on HK Top Models project: http://www.urbanautica.com/post/137352310699/polina-shubkina-hk-top-models Visit www.thephotoshow.org Follow us on Twitter twitter.com/realphotoshow and on Instagram instagram.com/realphotoshow/ Like us on Facebook www.facebook.com/realphotoshow Music by @pataphysics-1 on Soundcloud