Dr. John Vervaeke

In Episode 9 of the Transcendent Naturalism series, Dr. John Vervaeke, Gregg Henriques, and guest Brett Andersen delve into the intricate relationship between complexity, criticality, and consciousness. The episode explores the concept of self-organized criticality and its role as a linchpin in understanding a variety of scientific topics. Andersen introduces his work on the diametric model of autism and psychosis, and the trio discusses the growing consensus around criticality as a framework for understanding brain function. The episode also touches on the psychology of meaning, the nature of sacredness, and the transformative power of psychedelics. This intellectual journey culminates in a discussion about the role of individual and collective consciousness in shaping society. Whether you're interested in the cutting-edge theories of cognitive science or the philosophical implications of modern neuroscience, this episode offers a comprehensive look at how these ideas are shaping our understanding of the world.   Brett Andersen, a Ph.D. student in Evolutionary Psychology at the University of New Mexico, is a compelling voice at the intersection of cognitive science, complexity science, and the philosophical underpinnings of morality and religion. With a penchant for delving into controversial topics, Brett crafts thought-provoking essays on Substack and produces insightful YouTube videos. He's also in the process of writing a book, slated for a free PDF release, that encapsulates seven years of rigorous research across scientific and philosophical literature.    Resources:   Brett Andersen: Substack | YouTube | X Gregg Henriques: Website | Facebook | X   Books: Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief - Dr. Jordan Peterson How Nature Works: the science of self-organized criticality - Per Bak The Life of the Cosmos - Lee Smolin The Cortex and the Critical Point: Understanding the Power of Emergence - John M. Beggs The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - Thomas S. Kuhn The Romance of Reality: How the Universe Organizes Itself to Create Life, Consciousness, and Cosmic Complexity - Bobby Azarian  The Voyage of the Beagle - Charles Darwin   Publications: Predictive processing and relevance realization: exploring convergent solutions to the frame problem - Brett P. Andersen, Mark Miller & John Vervaeke  Relevance, Meaning and the Cognitive Science of Wisdom - John Vervaeke and Leonardo Ferraro  Flow as spontaneous thought: Insight and implicit learning - John Vervaeke, Leonardo Ferraro, and Arianne Herrera-Bennett The self-organization of cognitive structure. - Stephen and Dixon The entropic brain: a theory of conscious states informed by neuroimaging research with psychedelic drugs - Robin L. Carhart-Harris et al. Gaining Insight Into the ‘‘Aha’’ Experience - Sascha Topolinski and Rolf Reber The Experience of Presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission - Dan Chiappe, John Vervaeke Distributed Cognition and the Experience of Presence in the Mars Exploration Rover Mission - Dan Chiappe, John Vervaeke The Enactment of Shared Agency in Teams Exploring Mars Through Rovers - Dan Chiappe, John Vervaeke Perception and self-organized instability - Karl J Friston, Michael Breakspear, and Gustavo Deco Psychological Entropy: A Framework for Understanding Uncertainty-Related Anxiety - Jacob B Hirsh, Raymond A Mar, and Jordan B Peterson   Video: Intimations of a New Worldview, Part 7.1: The Evolutionary Psychology of Meaning - Brett Andersen   MIsc. The REBUS Model    People: Per Bak Brendan Graham Dempsey Bobby Azarian Jean Piaget  Ann Taves Elkhonon Goldberg Terence McKenna Jonathan Pageau Émile Durkheim Ludwig Wittgenstein J. A. Scott Kelso David Wolpert and William Macready ("no free lunch" theorem) Samantha Heintzelman   Time Codes:   00:00:20 — Dr. John Vervaeke opens the discussion, welcoming co-host Gregg Henriques and guest Brett Andersen. 00:00:48 — Gregg Henriques provides a recap of previous episodes. He highlights Brendan Graham Dempsey's vision on the emergence and meaning of meaning. 00:02:09 — Brett Andersen introduces himself and his work. He discusses his YouTube series 'Intimations of a New Worldview' and the diametric model of autism and psychosis. 00:03:46 — Andersen introduces the concept of self-organized criticality. He explains its significance in understanding scientific topics and their relationship to transcendent naturalism. 00:05:40 — Per Bak's work is discussed. Andersen elaborates on the phenomena of complexity in nature and the concept of self-organized criticality. 00:07:40 — The conversation turns to how complexity emerges at the border between order and chaos. Andersen explains why this concept is pivotal in various scientific disciplines. 00:09:20 — Dr. Vervaeke introduces the concept of relevance realization and maps it onto self-organizing criticality. 00:13:00 — The growing consensus around criticality as a framework for understanding brain function is discussed. Dr. Vervaeke highlights its increasing acceptance in neuroscience. 00:16:20 — Gregg Henriques introduces the concept of behavioral investment theory and aligns it with the criticality framework. 00:18:20 — Brett Andersen discusses the epistemological implications of criticality. He relates it to the functioning of the brain's two hemispheres. 00:21:41 — Henriques introduces the concept of the microscopic and macroscopic fractal of criticality. He suggests it can be observed in everyday situations. 00:25:50 — Andersen gives insights into the complexity of human existence and its sense of sacredness. He argues that humans not only manifest this complexity but also participate in it. 00:27:40 — Dr. Vervaeke argues about our ontological significance. He suggests that in terms of the universe's capacity to produce properties, we are apex and ontologically privileged. 00:32:23 — The concept of nested language is introduced. Andersen and Vervaeke discuss its implications for understanding hierarchies and change. 00:41:00 — Andersen explores the clash that occurs when an anomaly disrupts a tradition. He discusses the tension between adherents of the tradition and those who perceive the anomaly. 00:50:36 — Dr. Vervaeke talks about the ability of collective intelligence to detect hyperobjects. He suggests that these are too complex for any individual to understand. 01:00:29 — Dr. Vervaeke introduces the concept that intelligibility is almost like a living entity. He links this to the inexhaustible nature of the complexifying world. 01:02:55 — The conversation turns to the concept of affordance coupling. Dr. Vervaeke argues that internal peace is not just about the inner state but also about being in contact with reality. 01:08:36 — Dr. Vervaeke elaborates on how psychedelics can induce transformative processes. He suggests that experiences like flow states are insights into having an optimal grip on the world. 01:09:20 — Dr. Vervaeke expresses his interest in discussing the Trinitarian model in their next discussion. Gregg Henriques appreciates the concept of criticality and its implications on our ontology and cognitive grip. He expresses his interest in discussing the worldview implications.  

Dr. John Vervaeke reunites with guest Damien Walter in an engaging second episode to unpack the fascinating theory of Star Trek as a potent contemporary mythos. They dissect storytelling as a "psycho-technology" that mirrors human cognition and immerses us in collective human experiences. The episode focuses on how Star Trek bridges the gap between traditional, modern, and postmodern narratives, with discussions on metamodernism and its relevance in narrative reconstruction. Vervaeke and Walter delve into Plato's influence on narrative crafting, modern myth-making, and the cultivation of new ways to access the sacred. Walter elucidates the unique structure of Star Trek, explaining its appeal to society's conservative aspects and its subversion of the military-industrial complex. Vervaeke aligns Star Trek's philosophy with the Enlightenment's mythos, further establishing its significance in our modern narrative.   Timecodes: [00:00:00] Dr. John Vervaeke introduces Damien Walter, setting the stage for an exploration of Star Trek as a contemporary mythos. [00:01:03] Damien Walter shares his video essay, inspiring the conversation around the postmodern deconstruction of Star Trek. [00:03:16] Walter discusses how storytelling enables persona creation, marking a critical moment in understanding narrative impact. [00:07:00] Vervaeke probes the authority of metanarratives, challenging postmodernism's stance, and introduces metamodernism, hinting at a new stage of societal narratives. [00:11:07] Walter addresses our need to integrate different stages of civilization and personas into our narratives. [00:13:06] Emphasis on the need to appreciate past narratives while fostering narrative evolution. [00:18:15] Highlighting societal desire for dismissed narratives, using "Top Gun Maverick" and "Lord of the Rings" as examples. [00:20:35] Vervaeke discusses liminal spaces, focusing on the reinvention of narratives. [00:25:24] Walter delves into Plato's influence on myth-making and his innovative approach to philosophy through dialogues. [00:30:38] Vervaeke explores the philosophical ideas of Heraclitus and Parmenides and their interplay in Plato's thinking, then the conversation shifts towards the cultivation of myths, discussing the organic growth of narratives. [00:35:44] Walter presents Gene Roddenberry as a modern myth-maker, transitioning to Star Trek's narrative analysis. [00:39:05] Comparing the idealized order in Star Trek's Enterprise to Plato's Republic. [00:43:01] Vervaeke commends Damien Walter's thesis, aligning Star Trek's philosophy with the Enlightenment's mythos, dissecting Star Trek's ability to cater to conservative aspects of society while still providing a platform for progress. [00:47:14] Walter discusses Star Trek's critique and subversion of the military-industrial complex, demonstrating its dual appeal. [00:50:15] Vervaeke builds upon Walter's point, illuminating the series' progressive elements rooted in the Enlightenment's mythos. [00:52:47] Walter and Vervaeke delve into the idea of Star Trek's Federation as a utopian vision, a 'sacred' space for exploring societal issues. [00:57:00] The episode concludes with reflections on how Star Trek, as a modern mythos, offers a new perspective for understanding our society and its future.   Resources:   Voices with Vervaeke: Part 1: Science Fiction & Philosophy: Star Trek's Deep Commentary with Damien Walter  | The Transformational Impact of Story Telling with Shawn Coyne    Why Do Movies Feel So Different Now? Culture Series by Iain M. Banks  

Dr. John Vervaeke and guests delve into transcendent naturalism, wisdom traditions, adaptive insight, animism, and the sacred in the modern world. They discuss collective intelligence, collective awakening, religious reconstruction, and the integration of religion and science. The episode inspires listeners to rethink reality, embrace harmony, and explore the future of faith.

In this third episode of a riveting series, Dr. John Vervaeke and Greg Thomas dive into the intersection of music, culture, democracy, and race. Through the philosophical lens of blues, jazz, and cultural intelligence, they explore the profound implications and existential impulses within our society. The discussion shifts to the complexities of race, stereotypes, and the pitfalls of categorization, showcasing nuanced perspectives on racialization. Thomas's insights into leadership and improvisation, balanced with Vervaeke's academic insights, bring a multi-dimensional exploration of identity, culture, and human nature. Finally, both experts call for a mindful approach, emphasizing listening, understanding, and moving away from harmful ideologies. This episode transcends political boundaries and offers fresh perspectives on complex issues.   Resources: Jazz Leadership Project Jazz Leadership Project Blog Culture vs Race: American Identity Hangs in the Balance | Political Extremists vs. The Middle Path: Why I Remain a Radical Moderate | Deracialization Now - Part One | Deracialization Now - Part Two | From Race to Culture to Cosmos - Greg Thomas Talking to Strangers: Anxieties of Citizenship since Brown v. Board of Education - Danielle Allen Reconstructing Individualism: A Pragmatic Tradition from Emerson to Ellison - James M. Albrecht  Zombies in Western Culture: A Twenty-First Century Crisis - John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Filip Miscevic The Interpretation of Cultures - Clifford Geertz  The Quest for a Spiritual Home: Conference Warmup | John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau & Paul VanderKlay The Collected Essays of Ralph Ellison - Ralph Ellison Theory of Racelessness: A Case for Antirace(ism) - Sheena Michele Mason  The Arc of a Bad Idea: Understanding and Transcending Race - Carlos Hoyt Cultural Intelligence: Transcending Race, Embracing Cosmos course How Culture Works - Paul Bohannan  Virtue of doubt | William Cunningham | TEDxUTSC Bright Future Network Race in North America: Origin and Evolution of a Worldview - Audrey Smedley JRS EP143 John Vervaeke Part 1: Awakening from the Meaning Crisis JRS EP 161 Greg Thomas on Untangling the Gordian Knot of Race Time Codes: [00:00:00] Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the episode and the guest, Greg Thomas. They discuss the intersection of music, culture, democracy, and race.  [00:02:40] Greg Thomas discusses the emphasis of session one on music, specifically blues and jazz, and their profound philosophical implications.  [00:05:00] Discussion of the existentialist impulse of the blues, influenced by famous thinkers, bridging music with philosophy.  [00:09:14] Greg Thomas introduces the Jazz Leadership Project's four principles: individual excellence, antagonistic cooperation, shared leadership, and ensemble mindset. This brings practical application into the conversation and demonstrates the fusion of art and leadership. [00:13:15] The importance of pragmatist pluralism in the American tradition and its relevance to democracy. [00:17:25] Vervaeke describes what he means by the “agent arena relationship” and connects it to his use of the term “cultural intelligence”. [00:20:00] Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the concept of niche construction, relating both biological and cultural evolution.  [00:26:47] Greg Thomas introduces the topic of culture and race. He shares Ralph Ellison's perspective on culture as a different cultural complex, not a deprivation.  [00:30:55] Dr. Vervaeke shares a story from a documentary, highlighting the impact of historical events on present generations and their collective memory.  [00:38:46] The concept of colorblindness and its implications in societal interactions. [00:41:40] Thomas references anthropologist Paul Bohannon's work on culture and nature, outlining a concept of recontexting. This adds another layer of academic substance and further connects culture to innovation. [00:47:40] Suggestion that music is a form of psychotechnology, creating a collective identity and interaction. This intriguing idea brings technology into the cultural discourse. [00:53:00] Thomas elaborates on the five steps of racialization, providing specific examples for each step. He provides a clear framework for understanding complex social constructs. [00:58:12] The conversation delves into the problematic nature of stereotypes and essentialization. This moment is pivotal in addressing common misconceptions in society about race. [01:01:01] Greg Thomas discusses the necessity of slow thinking in understanding human nature. This encourages reflection and resonates with the need for deeper understanding in complex discussions. [01:07:40] Vervaeke and Thomas discuss the importance of understanding identity in cultural terms, not racial terms. A strong statement on how both left and right perspectives on race can be problematic. [01:09:57] Thomas emphasizes the need to move from understanding race to action. A call to action that pushes the conversation towards practical applications. [01:13:20] The duo emphasizes the need for good faith and sophistication in understanding complex issues. This is a meta-commentary on the art of discourse itself, relevant beyond the topic at hand. They agree to a fourth episode to continue their exploration. [01:19:00] Thomas points out that solutions will not come from political ideology but from participation, power, and wisdom. [01:22:40] The importance of language in reinforcing racial identity and the need to separate oneself from this language.  

In this episode, Brendan Graham Dempsey discusses the meaning crisis and spirituality in metamodernity. He explores emergentism and the meaning of meaning, emphasizing the history of cultural meaning-making systems. The episode also touches on unified theories of reality, cosmic evolution, information theory of individuality, and symbolic evolution. The conversation reflects on the intersection of spirituality and naturalism, distributed cognition, and the evolution of worldviews. It concludes with a discussion on navigating chaos with courage and wisdom.

Dr. John Vervaeke and Greg Thomas discuss 'Democracy as Antagonistic Cooperation' by drawing parallels with jazz. They emphasize the importance of a shared cultural repertoire in shaping democracy. They touch upon the interdependencies in politics and the influence of Black Americans on democracy. They explore the transformative virtues necessary for the functioning of democracy and the role of humor in a democratic setup.

Dr. John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques lead an insightful discussion with guests Dr. Rich Blundell and Rita Leduc, diving into the heart of creativity, art, and cognitive science. The conversation explores the profound concepts of cognitive approaches, creativity, the importance of intimacy in art, and the link between ecological health and economic wealth. As the guests share their unique perspectives on life, creativity, and science, they lay out a path for deeper understanding, and encourage exploration beyond the surface. The episode also features a thought-provoking discussion on niche construction, ecological intelligence, and the interconnectivity of nature and culture.   Resources:   Oika Oika Spain - Fred Adam Incomprehensible Certainty: Metaphysics and Hermeneutics of the Image - Thomas Pfau   Quotes:   "Extended naturalism is committed to all of that. There's a difference between knowledge and grasping the significance of the knowledge, especially the significance for personal transformation. When one grasps that significance so that one overcomes ways in which one is self-deceptive, disconnected from reality so that one understands reality in a way that transforms one. That's a good account of what wisdom is." - Dr. John Vervaeke   “I call it the process of acquaintance. I aspectualize my understanding of that place. I use so many different media and techniques—different muscle memories, different colors, sensory things, let as much in as possible, but also let myself in. This is, in fact, me trying to understand myself at a particular time and place.” - Rite LeDuc   “The garden provides a place for the two cultures of the academy—science and humanity—to come together in a mutually inspiring dialectical dance.” - Gregg Henriques Timecodes:   [00:00:00] Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the episode and highlights the interconnectivity of the Cognitive Science series and guests. He presents the ongoing Oika framework discussion.   [00:02:24] Dr. Blundell starts his summary of the previous discussion by addressing the difference in approaches to using propositional knowledge and creating theoretical frameworks.   [00:09:52] Gregg Henriques emphasizes the need to clarify worldviews and values. He speaks about embodying and living these values in social practices.   [00:12:20] Rita Leduc talks about stepping out of comfort zones, embracing vulnerability, and building trust. She emphasizes the experiential mode for creatives.   [00:19:00] Rita explains her artistic process, describing it as a process of acquaintance where she attempts to understand a place, using different media and techniques to aspectualize her understanding.   [00:24:16] Dr. Vervaeke discusses the coherency of different aspects, likening them to melody notes rather than cacophony.    [00:28:14] The discussion turns towards the aspectualization of dialogically enhancing understanding of a place. Dr. Rich Blundell shares an anecdote about filming a documentary, highlighting the immersive and transformative nature of the creative process.   [00:32:52] Dr. Vervaeke explores mental framing, linking it to art creation. He draws parallels to the Eastern Orthodox tradition of icon carving.   [00:34:53] Rita Leduc explains the idea of niche construction in her practice, showcasing her unique artistic philosophy.   [00:41:30] Dr. Vervaeke seeks further explanation of niche construction in Rita's art. Dr. Rich Blundell explains how Rita's process of creating art involves letting the world shape her and creating an artifact that becomes part of the world.   [00:47:06] Dr. John Vervaeke draws a connection to wisdom and the process of internalizing the world and its spiritual intelligence. Leduc connects her feelings and experiences in the woods to a cosmic story. She describes how this connection affirms her creativity.   [00:49:23] Dr. Rich Blundell discusses the concept of Eidos and how it relates to the process of life emerging from non-life.   [00:51:55] Gregg Henriques talks about the reawakening of intimacy across various aspects of life. Dr. Vervaeke prompts Henriques to elaborate on the concept of intimacy, emphasizing its recovery in modern society.   ​​[00:53:00] Henriques explores the idea of embodiment of intimacy across ontological continuity and how it has been lost in modern socialization.   [00:57:00] Dr. Rich Blundell introduces the idea of radical affection and falling back in love with life.   [01:00:36] Rita criticizes superficiality in work and encourages deep intimacy.  [01:06:02] Dr. Blundell shares various projects, including European collaborations and economic models. He discusses the importance of recoupling economic wealth and ecological health, highlighting how artists can contribute to this through their unique practices.   [01:10:44] Discussion about how art is now back in service of the sacred, overturning the modern and postmodern thrust in art, and how the art around the sacred predates agriculture and is probably the precursor to civilization, challenging certain reductionist accounts of human behavior.   [01:17:20] - Gregg Henriques underscores the significance of Oika and its connection to art. He reflects on his own journey and the importance of cognitive science and psychology in filling explanatory gaps, and he emphasizes the need to appreciate our natural intelligence as we transition into the artificial world.  

Dr. John Vervaeke sits down with Greg Thomas, a renowned jazz musician, and musicologist, to delve into the first of a multi-part series. They embark on a journey, exploring the intersections of jazz, blues, leadership, and life. Greg integrates his deep understanding of music into a leadership program, shedding light on how jazz serves as a potent metaphor for leadership and team cohesion in contemporary workspaces. Beyond its rhythmic allure, jazz becomes a powerful tool for understanding democracy, cultural intelligence, and the intricacies of human interactions. They also touch upon the profound philosophical dimensions of blues and its reflection on life's challenges, struggles, and ultimate triumphs. The conversation gracefully traverses through personal anecdotes, profound quotes, and philosophical insights, positioning jazz not just as a musical genre but as a deep existential commentary on life and leadership.   Resources:   Jazz Leadership Project Jazz Leadership Project Blog A Brief Intro Into the Blues Idiom Wisdom Tradition Primary Principles of Jazz "Billy Boy" from Miles Davis' Milestones album (full version) Esoteric Jazz: Pat Martino in Dialogue John Vervaeke: Democracy and the Relevance Realization of Distributed Cognition After Socrates: Episode 22 - Exploring The I-Thou Wynton Marsalis Albert Murray:  Stomping the Blues | From the Briarpatch File: On Context, Procedure, and American Identity The Consolation of Boethius as Poetic Liturgy - Stephen Blackwood Finite and Infinite Games - James Carse Trading Twelves: The Selected Letters of Ralph Ellison and Albert Murray Group Genius: The Creative Power of Collaboration - Keith Sawyer The Three Trumpeteers - Nicholas Payton Take My Hand, Precious Lord - Thomas Dorsey   Timecodes: 00:00:00 Introduction - Dr. John Vervaeke introduces the episode and announces a collaboration with Greg Thomas, integrating music into a leadership program. 00:01:00 Jazz as Metaphor for Leadership - Greg Thomas speaks about his role at the Jazz Leadership Project and how he uses jazz as a metaphor for workplace leadership. He highlights musical principles guiding effective teamwork and leadership. 00:02:40 Three Key Discussion Topics - Greg outlines three key discussion topics, including jazz as an embodied art and democracy's relationship with E pluribus unum, emphasizing jazz's multi-faceted relevance. 00:06:13 Jazz and Tai Chi Chuan - Dr. Vervaeke shares his experiences with jazz and its parallels to Tai Chi Chuan, bridging Eastern practices and jazz, underscoring their shared themes of flow and embodiment. 00:10:00 Blues Music and Its Relation to Jazz - The topic of blues music and its relation to jazz is introduced. As jazz's precursor, the blues provides historical and emotional context to their conversation. 00:17:05 MLK's View of Jazz - Greg discusses Dr. Martin Luther King's view of jazz as a medium for meaning, love, happiness, and faith. 00:22:00 Role of Blues in Articulating Life Experiences - Dr. Vervaeke delves into the role of blues in articulating life experiences and nurturing wisdom. 00:23:51 Experiencing vs. Playing the Blues - The difference between experiencing the blues and playing them, with emphasis on musical expression as a coping mechanism, sheds light on how art allows individuals to confront life's challenges. 00:28:20 Mythic Foundation of Blues - References to Albert Murray's work and discussion on the mythic foundation of blues music. Tying the blues to myths underscores its timeless, universal appeal. 00:34:40 Philosophical Aspects of Blues - Philosophical aspects of blues music are discussed, comparing them to existentialism, unraveling the blues' ability to reflect on life's questions. 00:39:40 Universal Themes in Music - Dr. Vervaeke draws parallels between the Jewish exile and broader themes of exile, emphasizing the universality of themes within music and human history. 00:43:22 Jazz as Homegrown Wisdom Tradition - The discussion shifts to the four Ps (propositional, procedural, participatory, and perspectival) in the context of jazz. Dr. Vervaeke and Greg Thomas discuss jazz and blues as a homegrown wisdom tradition in the United States. 00:48:46 Global Influence of Black American Music - Greg Thomas highlights the global influence of black American music and his commitment to sharing its lineage with the world. 00:54:26 Jazz Apprenticeship Tradition - Greg Thomas explains the apprentice tradition in jazz and how it transitioned into an educational program. 00:57:15 Jazz's Adaptability - Greg touches on the adaptability of jazz, relating it to Aristotle's lasting wisdom. 01:00:00 Disposition Towards Elegance - Greg quotes from Murray's book, discussing the descendants of American slaves' disposition towards elegance, providing context for understanding the roots of jazz and blues. 01:03:20 Shared Leadership - Introduction of the concept of "Shared leadership," emphasizing mutual accountability and using jazz ensemble dynamics as a metaphor for collaborative teamwork.  

Dr. John Vervaeke leads a discussion on transcendent naturalism, the Enlightenment Gap, and interconnectedness with guests. The conversation covers topics like embedded cognitive science, the cosmos, and the impact of social media on perception. They bridge science and spirituality, emphasizing joy, connectedness, and a deeper understanding of reality.

Dr. John Vervaeke and Bishop Maximus (Marretta) embark on a profound journey to challenge conventional notions of mind and consciousness. They critique representational theory, advocating for a conformist perspective. Dr. Vervaeke introduces integrating independent processes to determine relevance and illustrates how we can be aware through objects. The transformative power of attention is revealed, urging listeners to unlock hidden potential. Mesmerizing discussions connect martial arts, tai chi, and music, showcasing the art of "serious play." Wisdom from the inverted triangle in martial arts emphasizes self-improvement and strategic advantage. Bishop Maximus highlights the importance of accessible language bridging cognitive science with religious backgrounds. Timecodes: [00:00:00] Bishop Maximus introduces the problem with representational theory of mind and the need for a conformist view. [00:01:07] Bishop Maximus proposes an alternative orthodox conception of an iconographical, symbolic understanding of the mind. [00:03:48] Exploration of the concept of attention and the limitations of representational theories [00:05:00] Discussion of symbols in the Orthodox Church as means of representation with broader patterns and emphasis that Orthodox understanding of symbols complements the conformity theory of knowledge. [00:08:00] Dr. John Vervaeke delves into attention, debunking the spotlight analogy, explaining cognitive unison, and discusses integrating independent processes to determine relevance in situations. He presents an experiment showcasing awareness through tactile perception. [00:11:52] Explanation of the concept of looking through something, expanding our understanding of attention. [00:18:29] Dr. Vervaeke explains the concept of the inverted triangle in martial arts and its strategic advantages, and draws parallels between tai chi and music, exploring the idea of 'serious play.' [00:20:20] Dr. Vervaeke delves into the language of mastery and self-improvement. [00:27:33] Bishop Maximus discusses using accessible language to explain cognitive science to those from a religious background highlighting the value of conversations across beliefs and practices. He discusses the relevance of the discussion beyond religious backgrounds.