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The Words Matter Podcast with Oliver Thomson

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Nov 17, 2022 • 40min

Ask Me Anything #6

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matters Podcast. Many of you may be familiar with a recent paper I was proud to co-author titled: Avoiding nocebo and other undesirable effects in chiropractic, osteopathy and physiotherapy: An invitation to reflect – Journal of MSK Science and Practice.We are very keen to engage the readership in this topic and are inviting readers and listeners of the podcast to critically reflect on the paper and submit questions and comments for a future podcast discussion. Your comments, questions can be submitted via the link here.  On this Ask Me Anything I give my thoughts on the following questions:How to teach BPS model & clinical reasoning in academic settings?Should MSK practitioners do a degree in psychology?  How do you organise your evaluation & treatment within/between sessions?What do you wish knew when you started/you best advice to students?What are the best and worst papers you've read? (spoiler here and here are two of my favourites)Do you crack people’s necks? How do you balance views as a constructionist/relativist stance with objectively implausible claims?What are your thoughts on reassurance and the recent discussion on Twitter? (here) Support the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication   ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Oct 20, 2022 • 60min

The Outsiders - Clinicians divorced from their profession with Eliud Sierra

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.Apologies for the slight delay in the episode, work and life events continue to get in the way of my passion for producing these conversations.So it’s time for another Outsider episode (see prior Outsider episodes here, here, here and here), where I talk with clinicians that feel divorced from their profession and don’t identify with their professional label and the professionally assumed meaning of that label.And on this episode I’m speaking with Eliud Sierra. Eliud is an evidence-based chiropractor who specialises in physical rehabilitation and chronic pain management through strength and conditioning focused treatments. Many of you may be familiar with him via Instagram, with his handle The_Rehab_Chiro – which amongst sharing evidence informed messaging also provides his critical and often humorous thoughts on chiropractic.Eliud works in the U.S. within in a private clinic located in the city of Chicago . As an undergraduate student, Eliud attended the University of Iowa where we worked in the physical therapy department of the medical college, aiding in research regarding spinal cord injury patients.After the University of Iowa, Eliud went on to attend Palmer College of Chiropractic where he got his doctor of chiropractic degree and founded the school’s first evidence-based club. In his professional career, Eliud has worked with a wide array of individuals ranging from elite athletes to post-surgical patients. So it was great to speak with Eliud, as you will hear we share a common experience of leaving via choice or through force a Facebook group of our respective professions and it fun to exchange the reasons and context around that.Support the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Sep 27, 2022 • 58min

Sociology for practice - the 'ology' you’ve been looking for with Dr Rebecca Olson

Dr Rebecca Olson, an Associate Professor of Sociology, discusses the role and value of sociology in healthcare. Topics covered include the distinction between sociology and social science, the importance of sociology in clinical thinking, the evolution of qualitative research, exploring the boundaries of sociology, and the origins and importance of sociological theories.
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Sep 8, 2022 • 1h 19min

Pretending to be true - getting to the heart of pseudoscience with Dr Carlo Martini

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.It seems like the last episode with Dave Newell and Jack Chew was necessary; the feedback by and large was supportive, but clearly you cannot please everyone and for some people there is no argument, reason or evidence (let alone a podcast) that will ever initiate a reflection or reconsideration of their position and beliefs. So as promised, I’ve continued to explore these issues and today I’m speaking with Dr Carlo Martini about pseudoscience and pseudoscientific claims.Carlo is an Associate Professor in Philosophy of Science at Vita-Salute San Raffaele University (Milan) and visiting fellow at the Center for Philosophy of Social Science at the University of Helsinki.He has worked on the interface between science and policy, scientific expertise, and science communication. Carlo leads the work package "Behavioral Tools for Building Trust" in the H2020 Project "Policy, Expertise and Trust"I spoke with Carlo last year in a two-part episode on expertise and experts; and many of the topics around pseudoscience that we discuss today have overlap with expertise and how we recognize and come to trust an expert – so it would be well worth listening or re-listening to those conversations which are episodes 53 and 54. So on this episode we talk about:The value-ladeness of the term ‘scientific’ and how the label can add value to a treatment, practice or person.We speak about the equalising effect the label ‘pseudoscience’ and how this seeks to remove any underserved benefit or misusing the label of ‘scientific’.We speak about the motives, incentives and intentions of those that might make or perpetuate pseudoscientific claims.We speak about how some practices and professions seem more susceptible than others to be informed by pseudoscience; but that pseudoscience can be found in across all disciplines from homeopathy, osteopathy, nutrition, medicine and even physics.We speak about the importance of peer-review and the openness of scientific community.And finally, we speak about the ethics and harms of pseudoscience and pseudoscientific claims.So this was another great conversation with Carlo; his outsider position affords him a more dispassionate view of healthcare and his philosophical and sociological perspectives on pseudoscience was incredibly insightful.Find Carlo on Twitter @martinicarloSupport the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Aug 19, 2022 • 1h 21min

Truth and plausibility - How should we engage with nonsensical claims made by colleagues? With Jack Chew and Prof. Dave Newell

Physical therapist Jack Chew and Professor Dave Newell join the host to discuss engaging with nonsensical claims made by colleagues. They explore the challenges of calling out false claims on social media, the risks of using homeopathy in pediatric cancer treatment, and the difficulty of explaining complex concepts to patients. They emphasize skepticism, critical thinking, and the importance of open dialogue in evaluating fringe beliefs.
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Jul 27, 2022 • 1h 11min

The Clinical Reasoning Series - Reflections, considerations and implications with Matthew Low

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.Sorry for the slight hiatus; COVID and general life caught up with me – but I’m pleased to be on top of them both and bring you the final episode of the clinical reasoning series.The series really has been incredible – to have 10 episodes totalling over 10 hours of long-form discussion with guests that have such a depth of expertise and insight into their respective domains of clinical reasoning is just wonderful – I very much hope and think, that this series will form an invaluable resource for clinicians and students just like the CauseHealth and Qualitative research series. So please enjoy and share.So as promised, in this episode I’m speaking with consultant physiotherapist Matthew Low. Matthew is a good friend and regular guest on the podcast (listen here, here, here and here). His ability reflect and think deeply about the experience of clinical practice and to use evidence and theory to get some sort purchase on a clinical reality is a joy to engage with and listen to. Matt and I meander through some of the implications from the series. Our conversation is wide ranging, and we cover:How ‘clinical reasoning’ as a term fails to capture the technicolour and socially interactive process of sense-making.We talk about The Cynefin framework as a way of aiding clinical decision-making.The challenge and awkwardness of diagnosis construction in MSK practice.What it means to embrace uncertainty, and from who’s perspective.We speak about ethics-based practice and also the primacy of thinking narratively.So thanks again to all my guests, listeners and Patreon supporters.Support the podcast and contribute via Patreon here.If you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Jun 29, 2022 • 20min

The Clinical Reasoning Series - Why is this person suffering and how can I help them? An AMA special

Welcome to another episode of the Words Matter Podcast.So we are at the penultimate episode of the clinical reasoning series and I hope you’ve enjoyed it and much as I have. In the final episode I’ll be chatting with Matthew Low where we will be reflecting on the series as a whole and tying up any loose ends in regards to what this all means for clinical practice.Matt is a good friend of the podcast and he’s been on several times taking about evidence-based practice (listen here), person-centred care (listen here) and causal dispositionalism (listen here and here). He has impressive combination of clinical experience and expertise combined with a vice like grip on theory and evidence for practice. And a big thank you to you all for supporting the podcast and series - needless to say, your support makes the show possible. Support the podcast via Patreon here.I’ve received quite a few questions and comments as a result of the series, so I thought I dedicate some time in responding to some of them in clinical reasoning-themed ask me anything. The questions I’ve received are wide ranging, so I’ve tried to choose a good spread and will seek cover as much ground as time and energy allow. So in this episode I cover:How my view of clinical reasoning has shifted.My research on clinical reasoning in osteopathy (see here).Our assumptions when seeking to understand why a person is suffering and how we might help them.Whether I think that the different musculoskeletal professions such as physiotherapy, osteopathy, and chiropractic clinically reason differently. How theory can shroud and inform the focus of our cognitive processes involved in clinical reasoning.The nature of expertise in relation to clinical reasoning.My suggestions for developing your clinical reasoning.Thanks to all for listening, sharing and supporting The Words Matter Podcast and a huge thank you for all the guests that have shared their own reasoning and thinking so wonderfully.Support the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication  ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 7min

The Clinical Reasoning Series - How can knowledge of mechanisms inform our clinical decision-making? With Dr Elena Rocca and Dr Saúl Pérez-González

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.We have reached the final few episodes of the clinical reasoning series; and I hope you have enjoyed the journey up to this point. This series and the podcast more broadly is made possible by all the Patreon support, and ever a huge thank you for those supporting the show and to those listening and sharing the podcast with your friends, colleagues and students. On this episode I’m speaking with Dr Elena Rocca and Dr Saúl Pérez-González about how evidence of biological mechanisms can support our clinical reasoning.Elena is an associate professor at Oslo Metropolitan University, and specializes in issues related to responsible knowledge-based decision-making with focus on risk and safety of medicines, both from a practical, methodological and philosophical perspective. Her work is interdisciplinary between scientific evidence, practice, policy and philosophy. Elena's research includes causality assessment in drug safety, clinical reasoning, analysis of expert disagreement. Elena is part of The CauseHealth team and we spoke several times on the CauseHealth Series on probability, medical uniqueness, causal dispensationalism and philosophy for practice.Saúl is a Post-doctoral research fellow at the Center for Logic, Language, and Cognition in the Department of Philosophy and Educational Sciences at the University of Turin. Italy. He has a background in philosophy, with a PhD in Philosophy and MA in Contemporary Philosophical Thought. He is currently Working on/Member of the PRIN research project “From Models to Decisions” Funded by the Italian Ministry of University and Research.Saúl has held Visiting researcher positions at Centre for Humanities Engaging Science and Society - Durham University the Centre for Philosophy of Social Science - University of Helsinki.In this episode we talk around a paper that Saul and Elena wrote together titled 'Evidence of Biological Mechanisms and Health Predictions: An Insight into Clinical Reasoning' published in the journal Perspectives in Biology and Medicine.So on this episode we speak about: What is meant by the term ‘mechanisms’ and what constitutes of them.How evidence of mechanisms is typically portrayed and valued in the epistemological and methodological hierarchies of evidence-based medicine.How evidence of mechanisms can be useful to our clinical reasoning by helping us make predictions around safety and efficacy of treatment interventions for individual patients.The potential the dangers of relying on mechanistic knowledge in replacement of knowledge about effectiveness (such as knowledge generated from clinical trial).How evidence of mechanisms can take any form of study design; from lab-based animal studies to understand biological mechanisms at play to qualitative studies to understand the mechanisms involved in the processes of the social world.How evidence of mechanisms is generally more decisive for discarding inadequate interventions than for identifying suitable ones.This was yet another enlightening conversation and quite distinct from the previous episodes on the series. As such, it adds to rounding and deepening the view of clinical reasoning that this series seeks to offer.Find Elena and Saúl on Twitter @ElenaRoccaPD@SaulPerGonSupport the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical Communication ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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May 19, 2022 • 1h 8min

The Clinical Reasoning Series – Navigating uncertainty with Dr Nathalia Costa

Welcome to another episode of The Words Matter Podcast.So we are up to the 8th episode of the Clinical Reasoning Series and on today I’m speaking with Dr Nathalia Costa about clinical uncertainty. Nathalia is a Brazilian physiotherapist who completed PhD studies in Australia used mixed-methods to investigate the nature of low back pain flares (see here). This PhD work was won the Lumbar Spine Research Prize awarded by the Society for Study of the Lumbar Spine in 2021 (see Nathalia's other research here).Nathalia is currently working as a Postdoctoral Research Fellow at the Universities of Queensland (UQ) and Sydney (USyd) investigating how both clinicians and people with low back pain navigate uncertainty during clinical encounters. And as such we speak about her work investigating uncertainty and talk around a paper, she and her colleagues published this year titled 'Uncertainty in low back pain care – insights from an ethnographic study', published in the journal Disability and Rehabilitation (see paper here) and a previous podcast on ethnography here with Dr Fiona Webster here).So on this episode we speak about:What uncertainty is and allude to the different ways and taxonomies used to describe it.Different sources of uncertainty and use the ambiguous nature of low back pain as an exemplar.The ways that we as clinicians might neglect uncertainty or attend to it.How we often seek to reduce uncertainty through the use of clinical reasoning or the application of evidence for examples through clinical guidelines.We talk about how an intolerance to uncertainty may prompt binary thinking and cause us to retreat to the comfort of the biomedical model and biomedical thinking.Occasions when we really do want to be certain as we can possibly be, and that there may be some ethical and therapeutic merit in communicating this to our patients.How uncertainty with low back pain is imbued with emotions – on both patient and clinician’s part.How clinicians may emphasise uncertainty to patients, intentionally or unintentionally and the resulting impact that this might have on the balance of power within the relationshipAnd we reflect on ways that clinicians better navigate uncertainty.So this was another brilliant conversation. Uncertainty, whether we like it or not surrounds and often defines our clinical work and is the omnipresent elephant in the clinical room and lives of our patients. Nathalia’s work provides some crucial insights into the slippery and uncomfortable nature of clinical uncertainty which can allow us to reflect on how it make us and our patients feel and consider how we react in the face of it.As always, I have linked Nathalia's paper in the show notes, but please look out for a follow up paper which adopts a theory-driven post-qualitative approach to explore clinicians’ experiences navigating uncertainty when working with patients with low back pain (see podcasts here on post-qualitative research here and here).Find Nathalia on Twitter @nathaliaccosta1Support the podcast and contribute via Patreon hereIf you liked the podcast, you'll love The Words Matter online course and mentoring to develop your clinical expertise  - ideal for all MSK therapists.Follow Words Matter on:Instagram @Wordsmatter_education @TheWordsMatterPodcastTwitter @WordsClinicalFacebook Words Matter - Improving Clinical CommunicationFind Nathalia on Twitter @nathaliaccosta1 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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May 5, 2022 • 1h 2min

The Clinical Reasoning Series - Should we always give patients the treatments they want? Ethical reasoning with Prof. Clare Delany

Prof. Clare Delany discusses ethical reasoning in healthcare practice, including the principles of autonomy, non-maleficence, beneficence, and justice. She explores the application of ethical principles in different healthcare settings and the complexities of balancing different considerations. The discussion also delves into patient autonomy and choice in private vs. public healthcare sectors and the importance of approaching ethics with care and empathy.

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