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Feb 14, 2025 • 0sec
Episode 593: Amanda Vestri – 67:35 in the Half Marathon in Houston
I’m so excited to share this conversation with Amanda Vestri, who is an absolute joy to interview. She’s got a lot to say about her goals with running and how her mindset has evolved over time. It was inspiring hearing her talk about how she views the sport and what’s ahead for her.
Recently, Amanda ran an impressive 67:35 at the Houston Half Marathon, marking her second-ever half. Her debut was in Orlando, where she won and ran 68:12. She was initially supposed to run the Valencia Half, known for its speed, but due to an injury that popped up just weeks before, she had to pull out. Instead, she raced in Orlando and then in Houston, which led to an amazing result. At Houston, she finished as the second American behind Weini Kelati, and fourth overall. With the Half Marathon Championships coming up in Atlanta this March, it’s going to be exciting to see Amanda, Weini, and many other fast women battling it out. The field will be stacked!
Amanda is sponsored by Brooks and runs with ZAP Fitness. She ran for Syracuse University after initially starting her college career at Iowa State. In our conversation, she reflects on her journey post-college and how it wasn’t quite what she expected. The path to finding the right team and sponsorship wasn’t smooth at first, but ZAP Fitness really gave her the opportunity she needed. And now she has a sponsorship with Brooks!
Speaking of her sponsorship with Brooks, she shares a wild story about signing her deal just an hour before the Olympic Trials, which is something I found so interesting. Amanda also had an amazing result at the Olympic Trials in the 10,000 meters, finishing fifth while coming off a COVID recovery, which is an incredible accomplishment given the competition.
She currently lives in Blowing Rock, North Carolina, where ZAP Fitness is based, and it’s always a pleasure to chat with her. I know when she runs her first marathon, it’s going to be something special.
I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did! Thanks for being here and enjoy my chat with Amanda Vestri.
What we talked about:
3:00- Reflections on her first year as a pro
9:45- Her recent half marathon success
25:10- How she is feeling walking away from Houston
29:50- Heading into the half marathon champs
35:00- Other upcoming races
43:00- Her partnership with Brooks
51:00- Her college experience and turning pro
1:10:20- End of podcast questions
Show notes:
Just the Nicest Couple
Elin Hilderbrand’s books
Mary Higgins Clark books
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
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Use code “LindseySuperfoods” for 15% off if you purchase the Gut and Greens Superfood
Use the code “another” for 15% off
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Take on Barilla’s Protein Pasta Winter Energy Challenge on the Strava Fitness App
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Maui Nui
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Feb 11, 2025 • 47min
Episode 592: Hannah Dederick – Paralympian, Marathoner, and Trailblazer in Para-Sport
Today, we have Paralympian Hannah Dederick on the show. Hannah is a two-time Paralympian and a wheelchair athlete in the T-54 class. She competed in the Tokyo Paralympics at just 18 years old, making her the youngest wheelchair athlete at those Games. In Tokyo, she placed fourth in the 100 meters. At the Paris Paralympics, she competed in the 100, 400, and 800 meters, finishing sixth in the 100, fourth in the 400, and seventh in the 800, making it to all three event finals.
In addition to her Paralympic achievements, Hannah is a three-time marathoner, having competed in the New York, Boston, and Chicago marathons. She also made history by winning the first-ever National Collegiate Wheelchair Championship in the 100 meters at Hayward Field. This was a major milestone, as it marked the first time there had been a National Collegiate Wheelchair Championship, alongside other events like basketball and tennis. Big progress is being made in the world of para-sport!
Hannah’s story is truly incredible. Born in China with spina bifida, she was adopted at the age of four from an orphanage. She discovered para-sport at the age of 12 through her local Shriners Hospital, and from there, the rest is history. She has been competing in para-sport for over 10 years now, making her world stage debut at just 16 years old. Currently, she is studying at the University of Illinois.
Hannah’s journey is remarkable, and I’m excited for you to hear her story. I hope this conversation not only inspires you but also opens your eyes to the world of para-sport.
Thanks for being here, and please enjoy my conversation with Hannah Dederick.
What we talked about:
Being a part of the first ever NCAA Wheelchair Track Championships
The importance of inclusion in college sports
Where she finds strength on hard training days
Her range in events from sprints to the marathon
Training with the University of Illinois
Her childhood
Looking ahead to her career trajectory
Increasing the visibility of parathletics
Goals for the future in sport and beyond
Show notes:
Move United
Challenge Athlete Foundation
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
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Use the code “another” for 15% off
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Check out Lindsey Hein’s training plans HERE!
Feb 7, 2025 • 57min
Episode 591: Emily Infeld – New Chapter with Brooks Running
I’m excited to share that my guest on today’s podcast is Emily Infeld. We all love Emily! She’s a regular here on the I’ll Have Another Podcast, and it’s always such a pleasure to have her back on. My favorite story about Emily goes way back to 2016, when I first started this podcast. I had this idea that maybe I could get some professional athletes to come on the show, and Emily was one of the very first pros to say yes.
It’s been really cool to see how far both of us have come since then. As I’ve progressed in my podcasting journey, I’ve been able to cheer Emily on, watch her grow, and see all the incredible things she’s been doing in the sport. Not only has she achieved amazing things on the track, but she’s also become such a powerful advocate for mental health, which is something that resonates with so many people. Emily is one of the most real, authentic people I know in this sport, and I’m excited to share this conversation with you.
For a little background, Emily is a 2015 World Silver Medalist in the 10,000 meters, and a 2018 Silver Medalist at the US Cross Country Championships. She’s represented Team USA six times, and she competed in the 2016 Rio Olympics. She was with Nike for a long time (over 12 years!!), and just recently announced that she’ll be joining the Brooks Running team.
Emily is one of those people who is so easy to talk to—kind, genuine, and you feel that authenticity in every conversation with her. It really comes through in this interview. So, please enjoy my conversation with the wonderful Emily Infeld!
What we talked about:
3:15- Emily’s new partnership with Brooks
5:05- Emily’s goals going forward
12:55- Reflections on her Olympic Trials in 2024
19:50- Training with Team Boss
23:00- Max’s 5k streak
31:00- Emily’s new training setup
41:30- Reflections on her time with Nike and Bowerman
50:00- End of podcast chat!
Show notes:
Music:
Panic at the Disco
Fall Out Boys
The Killers
Book recommendations:
Throne of Glass
Crescent City
Other times Emily has been on the show:
Episode 147
Episode 251
Episode 409
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
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Use code “LindseySuperfoods” for 15% off if you purchase the Gut and Greens Superfood
Use the code “another” for 15% off
OR use code “LindseyStrength” for 15% off if you purchase their new Muscle Health Plus
Take on Barilla’s Protein Pasta Winter Energy Challenge on the Strava Fitness App
Complete 10 days of movement for your Barilla Pasta reward! Go to https://strava.app.link/barilla
Jan 31, 2025 • 57min
Episode 590: Weini Kelati – Another American Record in the Half Marathon (1:06:09)
Today on the podcast, I’m excited to share my conversation with American record holder Weini Kelati. She recently ran 66:09, breaking her own American record in the half marathon at the Houston Half Marathon, where she placed second. Weini is an absolute force in distance running, and I can’t wait to see what she does next. Can you even imagine what will happen when she finally lines up for her first marathon? There are so many exciting things ahead for her career.
Weini was the 10,000 meter champion at the Olympic Trials last summer, and she went on to place eighth in the 10,000 at the Olympics. She’s an Under Armour athlete, coached and represented by Stephen Haas, and trains with the Dark Sky Distance group in Flagstaff.
In 2014, when she was just 17 years old, Weini traveled from her home country of Eritrea to Eugene, Oregon, to compete in the 3,000 meters at the World Junior Championships. After the race, she made the decision to stay in the U.S. She found a place to live in Leesburg, Virginia, and went on to finish high school, all while running for her high school team, getting a job, and learning English—all completely independently at just 17. She then went on to run for the University of New Mexico, where she won the 2019 NCAA Cross-Country Championship.
I have to say, this conversation is not long enough to cover Weini’s entire journey, but she’s been through a lot and has worked incredibly hard to get where she is today. I can’t wait for her to write a book one day because it’s going to be an amazing story. Anyway, I hope you’re as excited as I am to hear this conversation. Big thanks to Stephen Haas and his agency for making this happen. Enjoy the conversation!
What we talked about:
3:00- Breaking her own American Record in Houston
10:35- Looking ahead to the half marathon championships
14:00- Racing different distances and how fast of times are being run in women’s track right now
17:55- Reflections on this past summer winning the Olympic Trials and making the Olympics
22:10- Moving to the US
33:00- Training with Under Armour
42:00- Her family
49:00- Favorite distances to race
54:00- End of podcast questions
Show notes:
Weini on Instagram
The Power of Positive Thinking
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
Take on Barilla’s Protein Pasta Winter Energy Challenge on the Strava Fitness App
Complete 10 days of movement for your Barilla Pasta reward! Go to Strava.com/Barilla
Cornbread
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Jan 24, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 589: Dani Jones – Training Changes and Joining The Very Nice Track Club!
Today on the podcast, we’re excited to welcome back Dani Jones, a professional runner for New Balance. Dani has recently announced a significant change in her training: she’ll be joining the Very Nice Track Club, where she’ll be coached by Ron Warhurst and Sierra Willis. Before this move, Dani had been training with Team Boss and Coach Joe Bosshard since graduating from the University of Colorado, where she was a four-time NCAA champion. Dani reflects on her time with Team Boss and how incredible of a team environment they had there.
In this episode, Dani shares her plans to experiment with different race distances. Last summer, she ran a personal best in the 1500 meters, running a time of 4:00 flat, and placed ninth at the U.S. Olympic Trials in both 2021 and 2024. Now at 28 years old, Dani is gearing up for the indoor season and looking forward to a new chapter in her career with this change in both her training environment and coaching team. With so much potential still ahead, Dani has a lot to be excited about.
For those interested in hearing Dani’s first appearance on the podcast, our first conversation (episode 256!!) with Dani was back in 2020 when she had just turned pro and was navigating the strange times of the COVID era. It was great to catch up and hear about all the exciting changes in her career since then.
Enjoy my conversation with Dani Jones!
What we talked about:
4:00- Leaving Team Boss and reflections on her four years there
8:20- What it looked like searching for a new team and coach
10:30- Moving to Michigan
18:10- What she has learned from each of her coaches
25:10- Reflecting on her decision to turn pro
27:10- Her 2024 year in review
46:00- What Dani is looking forward to going forward
49:00- New training partners
53:00- End of podcast questions
Show notes:
Dani Jones when she was first on the podcast – Episode 256
Olive Kittredge
The Nightengale
The Women
Everything I Know About Love
Paper Towns
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
Lagoon
Use the code “Lindsey” for 15% off your order
Take on Barilla’s Protein Pasta Winter Energy Challenge on the Strava Fitness App
Complete 10 days of movement for your Barilla Pasta reward! Go to Strava.com/Barilla
Check out Lindsey Hein’s training plans HERE!
Jan 21, 2025 • 1h 10min
Episode 588: Trevon Jenifer – Three-Time Paralympic Gold Medalist & World Champion
We have a truly phenomenal athlete on the podcast today, Trevon Jenifer. Trevon is a three-time Paralympic gold medalist, a one-time Paralympic bronze medalist, and a world champion for Team USA. He plays wheelchair basketball and was born with congenital phocomelia, a rare condition in which a person is born without lower limbs. In this episode, Trevon shares what life was like growing up without lower limbs and how he discovered adaptive sports.
Before excelling in wheelchair basketball, Trevon was a wrestler. He has represented Team USA for over 15 years. He’s also a proud father of two and works for the Secret Service.
In our conversation, Trevon opens up about his passion for hard work, the immense sacrifices he’s made to reach his goals, and the crucial role that mindset plays in his success. I know you’ll take away so much from this inspiring conversation with him. It was truly an honor to interview Trevon for the podcast.
On a personal note, I recently watched wheelchair basketball in the Paralympics, and it was absolutely incredible. It’s been so exciting to see how much more media attention and coverage the Paralympics are getting this year. Let’s keep that momentum going! With the Olympics and Paralympics coming to LA in 2028, there’s a huge opportunity to bring even more visibility to these sports. So let’s keep supporting and cheering on these amazing athletes.
Please enjoy my conversation with Trevon Jenifer!
What we talked about:
5:15- Trevon’s backstory and being born without legs
16:30- His path to the Paralympics and his training
19:00- Watching his kids become athletes
28:45- Recapping his career so far and winning medals
37:20- Growth of the media attention on the Paralympics
42:50- Teaching our kids about differences
48:25- His motivational speaking engagements
45:10- His career
57:40- End of podcast questions
Show notes:
Trevon on Instagram
Books:
A Court of Thorns and Roses
Spy the Lie
Shows:
Lioness
The Agency
Movies:
The Bodyguard
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
Previnex
Use code “LindseySuperfoods” for 15% off if you purchase the Gut and Greens Superfood
Use the code “another” for 15% off
OR use code “LindseyStrength” for 15% off if you purchase their new Muscle Health Plus
Donna Marathon
Join me the weekend of January 31st-February 2nd, 2025 for the Donna Marathon weekend! Use the code “Lindsey10” for 10% off your race registration
Check out Lindsey Hein’s training plans HERE!
Jan 17, 2025 • 0sec
Episode 587: Katie Izzo – Coming Off A Recent Half Marathon PR of 70:27
We’ve got a great episode today with Katie Izzo. I first met Katie at the 2023 Monumental Marathon in Indianapolis. I had the opportunity to be part of a panel with her and a few other pro athletes at the expo, and later, I got to announce her victory in the half marathon there – which was her debut half marathon. That was back in 2023, and since then, she’s been running super well. Just recently, she ran another personal best in the half marathon in Orlando, dropping 16 seconds for a new PR of 70 minutes and 27 seconds.
Katie has an impressive resume. She’s represented Team USA in cross country at the World Cross Country Championships, and she also recently placed third at the Sound Running Cross Country Championships. This summer she competed in her second Olympic Trials, where she placed 13th in the 10,000 meters. While that wasn’t the place she had hoped for, she’ll share more about her journey to the start line and the lessons she’s learned from that experience. Katie also competed in the 2020 (well, technically 2021) Olympic Trials, representing Arkansas, where she had an incredible college career. She placed third at the NCAA Cross Country Championships and helped lead her team to an NCAA championship title in cross country. Katie also spent time competing for Cal Poly during her undergrad, and now she runs for Adidas, calling Flagstaff home as her training base.
I hope you enjoy my conversation with Katie!
What we talked about:
4:45- Her training team, running for Adidas, and moving to Flagstaff
9:15- Her college career
20:10- The decision to run professionally
22:45- Her two Olympic Trials experiences
32:15- Her half marathon debut
38:45- Making Team USA for cross country
41:15- Plans to run a marathon
32:55- Injuries that she battled this year leading into the Olympic Trials
46:30- What’s next for Katie – Houston Half
55:00- Religious/spiritual beliefs and mainfestation
1:05:20- End of podcast questions
Media Suggestions:
Ted Lasso
Shrinking
The Expanded Podcast
The Secret- Rhonda Byrn
The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success – Deepak Chopra
The Power of Now – Eckhart Tolle
Becoming Supernatural – Dr. Joe Dispenza
Choose Strong – Sally McRae
Artists Recommended:
The Band Perry
Keith Urban
Vance Joy
Eric Church
Eli Young Band
Luke Bryan
Post Malone
Jelly Roll
Morgan Wallen
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
Previnex
Use code “LindseySuperfoods” for 15% off if you purchase the Gut and Greens Superfood
Use the code “another” for 15% off
OR use code “LindseyStrength” for 15% off if you purchase their new Muscle Health Plus
Take on Barilla’s Protein Pasta Winter Energy Challenge on the Strava Fitness App
Complete 10 days of movement for your Barilla Pasta reward! Go to Strava.com/Barilla
Cornbread
Use the code “Another” at checkout for 30% off your order
Jan 14, 2025 • 1h 4min
Episode 586: Savilia Blunk: Olympian Mountain Biker on Reaching the Top, Overcoming Disappointments, and Shaping Her Training Future
In today’s episode of the podcast, we’re continuing with a special series where we step outside the world of running and hear from athletes in other sports. Normally, you tune in for interviews with professional and everyday runners, but today, we’re joined by mountain biker and Olympian, Savilia Blunk. Savilia is an eight-time national champion and recently competed in the Paris Olympics, where she placed 12th.
During our conversation, we discuss what it’s like to reach the pinnacle of the sport—making the Olympic team—and what it feels like to walk away from a race with both triumphs and disappointments. Savilia opens up about how she’s moving forward in her training after the Olympics and how she’s approaching her next steps as an elite athlete.
What I love most about this series is the opportunity to view the world of sport through the eyes of athletes who excel in disciplines outside of running. There’s so much we can learn from them, particularly when it comes to developing a champion’s mindset. Whether they’re on a bike, in a rowing boat, scaling a rock wall, or spiking a volleyball, these athletes are tackling their own challenges and bringing invaluable insights to the table.
We’ve had the privilege of speaking with some incredible athletes in this series, and I encourage you to check out the other interviews, which will be linked in the show notes. Even though we’re talking about different sports, there’s a lot of crossover, especially in the mental aspects of training, and I think you’ll find the episodes just as engaging as this one.
For me personally, as a parent, these conversations are a great opportunity to reflect on how I can encourage my own kids to be hard workers and to take pride in all the things they care about. As I mention in this episode, it’s a delicate balance—teaching kids to push themselves, work hard, and strive for excellence, while also allowing them the freedom to explore and enjoy what they do. Moving our bodies should be fun, and hard work can be, too.
If you’re enjoying this series, or know someone who might appreciate hearing from athletes outside of the running world, please share the episode with them. The best way to support the podcast is by leaving a rating or review on iTunes or wherever you listen. Thank you for being here, and I hope you enjoy my conversation with Savilia Blunk!
What we talked about:
4:30- Savilia’s introduction to the sport
12:05- Learning how to work hard
15:10- How she is feeling coming off of the Olympics
27:15- Bike maintenance
29:35- When she plans to get married
30:20- The moment that she qualified for the Olympics and how the qualification system works
39:30- How cross country mountain biking works and what the course is like
47:10- The technical side of the sport
49:50- Mindset while competing
52:00- End of podcast questions
Show notes:
All Fours
Trips for Kids – nonprofit organization
Other athletes in this series:
Episode 567 with Kristen Faulkner
Episode 570 with Kendall Chase
Episode 571 with Jennifer Lozano
Episode 573 with Sophie Bukovec
Episode 575 with Piper Kelly
Support our sponsors:
Donna Marathon
Join me the weekend of January 31st-February 2nd, 2025 for the Donna Marathon weekend! Use the code “Lindsey10” for 10% off your race registration
Previnex
Use code “LindseySuperfoods” for 15% off if you purchase the Gut and Greens Superfood
Use the code “another” for 15% off
OR use code “LindseyStrength” for 15% off if you purchase their new Muscle Health Plus
Jan 10, 2025 • 0sec
Episode 585: Kara Goucher and Des Linden: Nobody Asked Us!
In this episode, I’m joined by two of my favorite people in the running World—Kara Goucher and Des Linden. That’s right, these two incredible women are not only co-hosts of the podcast Nobody Asked Us, but they’re also beloved athletes in the running world. Both have been on this show multiple times, and it’s always such a pleasure to chat with them. Kara, who used to host The Relay podcast with me (a short-lived but super fun time, we all miss her over there!!), and of course, Des—who we all know for her unforgettable 2018 Boston Marathon win. But what I think stands out most about Des is her remarkable consistency over the years and the way she’s always shown up, not just for herself but for the running community. “Keep showing up” is her motto, and so many in the running world have adopted that phrase!
Both Kara and Des are also authors. They are both authors—Kara’s Running for Women and Des’ Choosing to Run—and it’s been so fun watching their friendship blossom over the past year, especially as they teamed up to launch their podcast. We talk a bit about the evolution of their relationship and podcast in this episode. Kara is a two-time Olympic and World Championship silver medalist, and one of the most authentic and honest people I’ve ever met. Her voice and perspective, along with Des’, make their podcast so special.
What excites me most about Nobody Asked Us is how it has the potential to take our sport of running beyond our little bubble. Both Kara and Des have such a wide-reaching platform, and their podcast is a great way to bring new people into the sport and spark more interest in running, which is ultimately so beneficial for all of us.
I’m cheering them on as they continue to grow and succeed in both their podcasting journey and beyond. I hope this intro did them justice, though most of you listening probably already know these two, so they don’t need much of an introduction! That said, I’ll include links to prior episodes with Kara and Des in these show notes if you want to dive into those past conversations.
Okay, enough from me—please enjoy this conversation with Kara and Des!
What we talked about:
4:00- Nobody Asked Us
8:30- First impressions of each other
19:15- Misconceptions about each other and how the podcast has changed that
25:00- Covering controversial topics
36:10- Favorite running moments in 2024
45:20- Running moments we’re looking forward to in 2025
53:35- End of podcast chat
1:07:07- What is coming up for Des and Kara and Nobody Asked Us
Show notes:
Kara on the I’ll Have Another Podcast previously:
Episode 173
Episode 528
Des on the I’ll Have Another Podcast previously:
Episode 148
Episode 171
Episode 240
Episode 534
Songs:
HomeTown Hero – JR Carol
Stick Season – Noah Kahan
Dirrty – Christina Aguilera
Bad Guy – Eminem
Please, Please, Please – Sabrina Carpenter
All She Wants to Do is Dance – Don Henley
I Know – De La Soul
A Little Respect – Erasure
Podcasts:
Pretendians – Canadaland Investigates Podcast
Nobody Should Believe Me Podcast
Armchair Expert
Connect with Lindsey:
Lindsey on Instagram
Lindsey on Twitter
Support our sponsors:
Donna Marathon
Join me the weekend of January 31st-February 2nd, 2025 for the Donna Marathon weekend! Use the code “Lindsey10” for 10% off your race registration
Lagoon
Use the code “Lindsey” for 15% off your order
Check out Lindsey Hein’s training plans HERE!
Jan 9, 2025 • 41min
Episode 584: Ben Rosario – The Marathon Project 2025
Ben Rosario joins me to share all you need to know about The Marathon Project 2025. He’s one of my favorite guests to have on the show over the years.
From The Marathon Project Website:
Ben has been just about everything there is to be in the running industry: professional runner, run specialty store owner, race director, marketing director, non-profit executive director and Olympic level coach.
During his eight-plus years as the Northern Arizona Elite head coach and executive director, NAZ athletes produced 87 wins, 13 national titles, ten World Marathon Major Top-10s, eight World Championship appearances, and one Olympic Trials Marathon victory.
Part of the The Marathon Project ownership group, Ben serves as TMP CEO and works on everything from branding, content and social media, to athlete recruitment, sponsorships, race day execution and more. He also serves as the TMP Experience Head Coach and has personally written all of The Marathon Project Training Plans.
Show Notes:
The Barn – Wright Thompson
American Midnight – Adam Hochschild
Gambler – Billy Walters
Schedule of Events for The Marathon Project
Friday, December 19th:10:00am – Course Preview Run11:00am – 7:00pm – Packet Pick Up and TMP Expo1:00pm – Professional Athlete Press Conference5:00pm – 7:00pm – TMP Happy Hour
Saturday, December 20th:7:20am – TMP 5K8:40am – Gold Wave MarathonNoon – Awards Ceremony10:00am – 1:00pm – TMP After PartySunday, December 21st:7:30am – Professional Marathon10:30am – Professional Race Awards Ceremony


