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51 Labs
The M&A market can be boring, but everyone has a story. The Investors & Operators podcast is about discovering the stories people were holding back, didn’t know how to tell, or forgot about. The goal is simple: fresh, authentic storytelling to bring people together in the M&A community.
With over 1M organic views and counting on LinkedIn, 51 Labs is disrupting the M&A market through the use of videography and content creation. In a market that longs for authenticity, 51 Labs helps strengthen your brand and tell your story. From concept to distribution, we strategize and produce thoughtful content to be used across a multitude of channels, to help you stand out in an otherwise traditionally boring market.
New episodes every other Thursday at 6:00am Eastern.
With over 1M organic views and counting on LinkedIn, 51 Labs is disrupting the M&A market through the use of videography and content creation. In a market that longs for authenticity, 51 Labs helps strengthen your brand and tell your story. From concept to distribution, we strategize and produce thoughtful content to be used across a multitude of channels, to help you stand out in an otherwise traditionally boring market.
New episodes every other Thursday at 6:00am Eastern.
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Mar 6, 2025 • 1h 13min
Ep. 131: Vern Davenport, Partner at QHP Capital & Michael Curry, Co-Chairman and Co-CEO at Lullwater & Co.
Vern Davenport, a partner at QHP Capital, and Michael Curry, co-chairman of Lullwater & Co., explore how structured management systems can enhance leadership effectiveness. They discuss the importance of empowering middle management and fostering accountability within teams. Vern emphasizes that streamlined problem-solving tools, like the A3 format, lead to better communication and alignment. Michael shares insights on overcoming the fear of structure, revealing that a well-defined framework can actually drive growth and success. The conversation highlights the significance of joy and fulfillment in the workplace.

Feb 20, 2025 • 1h 35min
Ep. 130: Kevin Stark, Former Navy SEAL & Marc Cabrera, Former Investment Banker
Topics:How to Avoid Mid-Career BurnoutConfusing Activity with ProductivityBuilding Mental Resilience Through Endurance...and so much more.Top TakeawaysWrite your own eulogy to reframe success. Professionals often hit a mid-career plateau where work feels less fulfilling. Kevin shares practical exercises to help reframe your purpose. One standout is the "Tombstone Exercise": write what you'd want on your tombstone or in your eulogy. This helps separate transactional accomplishments from transformational impacts. After all, most people want to be remembered as a good father, husband, mentor, or community leader—not just a top-performing MD.Energy management beats time management. Time is finite, but energy can be optimized. Kevin, Marc, and Jordan agree that true productivity doesn’t come from packed calendars or inbox zero. It comes from understanding when and how your energy peaks and protecting it for the moments that matter most—like deep work sessions or family time. Try this: audit your schedule for the next week, identify your high-energy hours, and reserve them for your most important tasks.The Dirt Bike Rule: How to navigate through life’s toughest ruts. When you hit a professional or personal rut, sometimes the best approach is to stay put. Marc uses a dirt bike analogy: on a rough trail, gripping the handlebars too tightly or forcing your way out often makes things worse. Stay loose, focus on the process, and ride it out. Moments like these build the patience, resilience, and perspective you need for long-term success.Recommended Reads from This Episode“Never Enough” by Mike Hayes: Reframes success as aligning your life with a deeper mission rather than endlessly chasing more.“Happier” by Tal Ben-Shahar: Explains how balancing present enjoyment with future purpose leads to greater happiness.“Deep Work” by Cal Newport: Teaches how to structure your time for focus, creativity, and high-impact work.“The Psychology of Money” by Morgan Housel: Challenges the idea that wealth is about income, emphasizing control over time instead.“The Comfort Crisis” by Michael Easter: Explores how embracing discomfort—rather than fighting it—can lead to growth.About Kevin StarkKevin Stark is a former Navy SEAL with 20+ years of experience, including time as a BUD/S instructor. Now a leadership coach, speaker, and ultra-endurance athlete, Kevin brings the same grit and mental toughness from his military career into his coaching. His programs help people reconnect with their core values and find meaning in the work they do every day.About Marc CabreraMarc Cabrera is a former investment banker with 25+ years of experience, including multiple PE exits and board positions. After a successful career on Wall Street, Marc stepped away from finance to focus on family, community, and personal growth. He now serves as a volunteer firefighter and uses his experience to mentor others.

Feb 13, 2025 • 39min
Ep. 129: Paul W. Swaney III, Managing Partner at Swaney Group
Topics:Why PE Should Hire VeteransNavigating the Challenges of Growing CompaniesHow Mentors Play a Role in Breaking into PE...and so much more.Top TakeawaysWhat do your company and a brontosaurus have in common? As businesses grow, founders often struggle with transitioning from generalist roles to more focused leadership. Professor Carter Cast’s HBR article describes the Dinosaur Diagnostic that uses the brontosaurus' long neck to illustrate the growth curve. This diagnostic helps you pinpoint when it’s time to hire functional experts and stick to just your leadership hat. Understanding when and how to make this shift is essential for setting a company up for scalable success.Acquisitions often stumble when integration begins. To avoid the "merger of equals" trap, establish clear leadership early, define KPIs, and integrate companies under one unified identity. Without proper management and measurable goals, acquisitions risk chaos, with overlapping teams and conflicting cultures. A dedicated integration team ensures smooth execution and helps keep everything on track.Tip for transitioning veterans: start early and build a strong network. Transitioning from military to civilian life takes planning, so start at least a year in advance. Also, a mentor can make the process smoother by providing guidance and industry insights. In mentoring sessions, be ready to connect your military skills to civilian roles and ask thoughtful questions that show your genuine interest in the industry. With the right support, veterans can thrive in finance, offering fresh perspectives and strong leadership.About Paul W. Swaney IIIPaul W. Swaney III is a seasoned industrials investor and founder of Swaney Group. His diverse background spans military service in the U.S. Navy, roles at McKinsey & Company, and Amazon. Paul is passionate about supporting veterans transitioning to civilian careers through initiatives like SkillBridge. He is also the host of the LeverUp podcast, a community dedicated to demystifying banking, consulting, and PE for young professionals.About Swaney GroupSwaney Group is a private equity firm with a focus on the industrial sector. The firm revitalizes struggling businesses and enhances successful ones through its proprietary Swaney Group Operating System (SGOS). SGOS optimizes management, tech systems, and culture to maximize value for both portfolio companies and investors.

Feb 6, 2025 • 47min
Ep. 128: Sal Naro, CIO & Senior Managing Director, Coherence Credit Strategies at Tiptree Advisors
Topics:2025 US Economic OutlookTransparency in Managing Investor MoneyWhen Hesitation Costs More Than Failure...and so much more.Top Takeaways“First loss, best loss”—why smart investors (and leaders) know when to cut bait. Know when to cut your losses and move on fast. One of Sal’s main investing principles: first loss, best loss. He never doubles down on or gets emotionally attached to a losing investment. If the market signals he’s wrong, he exits. The same goes for leadership—holding on to bad hires, failing strategies, or misaligned partnerships can cost you more in the long run. The best investors think like elite athletes. Always think multiple steps ahead. Sal compares investing to sports—the best players anticipate, not just respond. Like a second baseman reading the game before the ball is hit, great investors and leaders plan for every possible outcome, including the worst. AI and tech help, but in the end, success comes from decisiveness, adaptability, and trusting your process.Trust is built in tough moments. Be upfront, especially when things go wrong. Managing other people’s money is a big responsibility—families and futures are on the line. Sal and Jordan agree that communicating openly and quickly earns trust that lasts far beyond a single deal. Because people may forget what you said, but they’ll always remember how you made them feel.About Sal NaroSal Naro is a seasoned leader with 4+ decades of experience. As Chief Investment Officer and Senior Managing Director of Coherence Credit Strategies at Tiptree Advisors, a division of Tiptree Inc., he has led high-performing investment teams and strategies. Most recently, he oversaw a top-performing liquid long/short credit hedge fund that has earned multiple accolades for its success.

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Jan 23, 2025 • 53min
Ep. 127: Jared Greer, Director of Portfolio Company Operations at QHP Capital
Jared Greer, Director of Portfolio Company Operations at QHP Capital, is an executive coach, husband, father of four, and an ultra-marathoner. He discusses common challenges CEOs face, emphasizing the need to empower teams through clear priorities and defined goals. Jared shares insights on scaling leadership—evolving from hands-on work to strategic thinking. He draws parallels between endurance sports and business, highlighting the importance of consistent systems and routines for sustainable performance.

Dec 19, 2024 • 1h 8min
Ep. 126: Liz Weindruch, Managing Director at Barings
Topics:Challenges for Emerging ManagersOutreach & Pitch Deck Best PracticesHow to Develop a Competitive Edge...and so much more.Top TakeawaysMake resilience a core part of your fundraising strategy. With liquidity bottlenecks from stalled exits and fundraising timelines now stretching to 24 months, emerging managers need to manage expectations internally and externally. Liz advises setting realistic goals, communicating transparently, and fostering a partnership mindset within your team to maintain morale and focus.Cold emails are powerful when done right. A strong cold email is concise, personalized, and scannable. Liz suggests skipping one-pagers and delivering value directly in the email, with your deck attached for more details. Start by referencing shared connections. Then, use the email to highlight your strategy, track record, and key differentiators.Include lessons from failed deals into your pitch. Liz observes that few managers address underperforming investments upfront, even though LPs will uncover them during diligence anyway. Proactively explaining what went wrong and how it refined your approach builds trust and demonstrates a growth mindset.Start with curiosity, not a pitch. Liz emphasizes that a great first meeting begins by understanding the LP's priorities. Instead of jumping right into your presentation, ask questions like, "What are your investment goals?" or "What gaps in your portfolio are you looking to fill?" This approach builds rapport and ensures your pitch aligns with their needs.

Dec 5, 2024 • 49min
Ep. 125: Ray Tsao, CEO at Probitas Partners
Topics:Hurdles for Emerging ManagersRole of Team Continuity in FundraisingHow to Time Global Outreach ...and so much more.Top TakeawaysInvert the problem to build a stronger story. Ray mentions Charlie Munger’s inversion technique as a powerful tool to reveal blind spots in your storytelling. It works by flipping the question you’re trying to solve: instead of asking, "How do I raise the fund?" ask, "What would make investors say no?" The answers might include unclear data, a strategy that’s not unique, or a lack of trust in the presenter.Cultivate a growth-oriented mindset in your team. Ray and Jordan discuss how the dynamic nature of the equity market demands agility. For a team, this means always seeking new knowledge and being prepared to pivot with shifts in investor preferences, sector trends, and economic conditions. This adaptability can give emerging managers a competitive edge over established competitors.Invest in preparation to make a strong first impression. As Ray points out, initial pitch meetings can often feel like cold business transactions, but charisma and persuasiveness help turn these interactions into real connections. Investors commit to ventures based on trust in the person presenting—not just the numbers.

Nov 21, 2024 • 38min
Ep. 124: Doug Locke, CEO at SSI Strategy
Topics:Business Growth StrategiesEquity-Based Incentives to Retain Top TalentHow to Delegate as a Leader...and so much more.Top TakeawaysEstablish a "North Star" vision to guide your growth strategy. Instead of trying to expand in all directions at once, grow by adding services in adjacent areas that complement your core offerings. This approach positions you to serve clients more comprehensively without spreading your resources too thin or diluting your brand. Doug emphasizes that a clear, overarching goal keeps you grounded and ensures that each initiative supports your core mission. Adjust your service model to anticipate and fulfill client needs. Doug and Jordan discuss that clients may not always know what could add value to their business. This creates an opportunity for proactive service. By analyzing client feedback and observing how they use your services, you can identify areas for expansion and offer tailored solutions. When your offerings align with the client's long-term goals, you strengthen relationships and create new avenues for growth.Focus on high-impact activities to drive growth and scale effectively. Doug and Jordan know from experience that entrepreneurs often need help with delegation. To scale successfully, leaders need to let go of the “do-it-all” mindset and recognize their limitations. Doug uses a simple strategy to assess his productivity: reviewing each day in terms of wins and losses. These regular check-ins help him minimize distractions from tasks that don’t move the business forward. Strong leadership ultimately means empowering your team to bring your vision to life: set the direction, let them execute, and refine as needed.

Nov 7, 2024 • 21min
Ep. 123: Jim Waskovich and Doug Kennealey, Founders and Managing Directors at Princeton Equity Group
Topics:Transitioning Into Your First Fund The Importance of Due DiligenceChoosing the Right Partner...and so much more.Top TakeawaysStay resilient and purpose-driven when raising your first fund. Raising a fund is challenging, with a high rejection rate. Jim and Doug emphasize the need for persistence, confidence, and experience from deal-by-deal fundraising. Equally important is a clear “why.” Independent sponsors must convey their mission and unique value to stand out to investors in a crowded marketDue diligence goes both ways. Whether you’re investing or selling, conducting thorough due diligence is essential. Just as PE firms scrutinize potential deals, sellers should research prospective partners. Talking directly with CEOs and founders who’ve worked with these firms offers valuable insights. Jim and Doug recommend asking about the firm’s value-add, leadership stability, specific support examples, and performance in tough times. Aligning expertise and cultural fit builds a strong foundation for a successful, long-term partnership.Build partnerships on a foundation of communication and a shared vision. Jim and Doug emphasize that aligning on core goals from the start smooths out challenges. Their mutual respect and collaborative approach enable efficient decisions, keeping them in sync. Open, transparent communication has strengthened both their professional partnership and personal bond.

Oct 24, 2024 • 30min
Ep. 122: Michael Kornman, Partner at Align Collaborate
Topics:How to Find Success in PERevenue Streams for Independent SponsorsStrategies to Scale a Team...and so much more.Top TakeawaysFlexible and purpose-built capital is key. Investors should provide independent sponsors with flexible capital solutions that support, rather than control, their operations. Michael shares how Align Collaborate embodies this approach, building a collaborative partnership where the independent sponsor is the lead decision-maker.Smart scaling starts with the right team. Michael's experience shows that team members with consulting or transaction advisory backgrounds can contribute significantly to long-term growth and value creation. These hires help drive operational success post-acquisition, allowing the sponsor to focus on higher-level decisions while the team handles day-to-day execution. Having a dual mindset for long-term success in deal-making. Independent sponsors must juggle optimism with realism when assessing risks and persistence with flexibility when navigating deals. Michael stresses the importance of irrational persistence in committing to promising deals, but it’s just as important to know when to take a step back and explore new opportunities.