

The Sacred
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The Sacred is a podcast about our deepest values, the stories that shape us and how we can build empathy and understanding between people who are very different.
Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations.
The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, former director of Theos.
For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/about/who-we-are or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank, @sacred_podcast and @ESOldfield.
Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations.
The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, former director of Theos.
For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/about/who-we-are or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank, @sacred_podcast and @ESOldfield.
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Jan 18, 2023 • 1h 14min
Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan on grief, faith and navigating disagreement
Guests Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan discuss faith, religion, and grief in this thought-provoking podcast. They explore the transformative power of grief and touch on their shared experience writing their book together. The conversation also delves into topics such as the complexity of faith, pursuing better dialogue, and forgiveness within the Christian liturgical calendar. A fascinating exploration of deep topics by two insightful individuals.

Nov 30, 2022 • 20min
Series Reflection: You'll never change someone's mind by shouting at them
This past series Elizabeth Oldfield spoke to Paul Kingsnorth, Sathnam Sanghera, Zara Mohammed, Sarah Langford, Dante Stewart, Rowan Deacon, Jonathan Pageau, Zing Tsjeng and Prue Leith. This wide range of guests brought with them a variety of sacred values, but also some common themes of thought and reflection.
This episode Elizabeth pulls together all she learnt from these guests, their values, ideas and worldviews, and helps to unpack what lessons we can learn from the series as a whole.
This past series Elizabeth Oldfield spoke to Paul Kingsnorth, Sathnam Sanghera, Zara Mohammed, Sarah Langford, Dante Stewart, Rowan Deacon, Jonathan Pageau, Zing Tsjeng and Prue Leith. This wide range of guests brought with them a variety of sacred values, but also some common themes of thought and reflection.
This episode Elizabeth pulls together all she learnt from these guests, their values, ideas and worldviews, and helps to unpack what lessons we can learn from the series as a whole.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/11/30/sacred-reflection-youll-never-change-someones-mind-by-shouting-at-them

Nov 16, 2022 • 52min
Dame Prue Leith on growing up during apartheid, and the importance of tolerance
Dame Prue Leith, DBE is a South African restaurateur, chef, television presenter/broadcaster, cookery writer, novelist and much more. Today she is widely known for being a judge on Channel 4’s The Great British Bake Off. She is also the mother of Conservative MP, and former guest, Danny Kruger.
She spoke about growing up in South Africa during apartheid, and the importance of tolerance when speaking to those different from ourselves. She also told wonderful stories about family, wrestling with questions of faith as an atheist, and how she got her moxie.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/11/16/dame-prue-leith-on-growing-up-during-apartheid-and-the-importance-of-tolerance

Nov 9, 2022 • 51min
Zing Tsjeng on Vice UK's unique voice, and unpacking problematic ESEA stereotypes
Zing Tsjeng is the editor in chief of Vice UK. She is the author of the book series 'Forgotten Women' which profiles underrated historical women in various fields, and is the host of the BBC podcast United Zingdom.
She spoke about her experience of growing up in Singapore and the way in which the government monitor the media, what she feels Vice UK's role and unique voice is, and the many problematic stereotypes around ESEA (East and Southeast Asian) identities.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/11/09/zing-tsjeng-on-vice-uks-unique-voice-and-unpacking-problematic-esea-stereotypes

Nov 2, 2022 • 53min
Jonathan Pageau on icons, political dehumanisation, and befriending Jordan Peterson
Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world.
He spoke about his journey to creating religious art, the different ways people on the political spectrum dehumanise each other, and his friendship with Jordan Peterson.

Oct 26, 2022 • 1h 13min
Rowan Deacon on the power of storytelling and the ethics of making a documentary
Rowan Deacon is a documentary filmmaker. Her portfolio includes the multi award winning film How to Die: Simon's Choice, and most recently Jimmy Savile: A Very British Horror Story, which was in the top 10 globally on Netflix.
She spoke about what drew her to documentaries, the power of storytelling and the ethical questions at play when producing a documentary.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/26/rowan-deacon-on-the-power-of-storytelling-and-the-ethics-of-making-a-documentary

Oct 19, 2022 • 54min
Danté Stewart on family, church and race in America
Danté Stewart is a church leader and writer whose journalism has appeared in a variety of top newspapers across the America. His most recent book is Shoutin' in the Fire: An American Epistle.
He spoke about his Southern Pentecostal childhood, his experience in a white majority church, parenting while black and much more.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/19/dant-stewart-on-family-church-and-race-in-america

Oct 12, 2022 • 1h 6min
Sarah Langford on the importance of meaningful work, and how not to change someone's mind
Sarah Langford is a criminal and family barrister gone farmer, and the author of the best-selling book ‘In Your Defence: True Stories of Life and Law’. Her most recent book, 'Rooted: Stories of Life, Land and a Farming Revolution’, is an account of her experience farming after moving to the countryside in 2017 and the stories of the farmers she’s met at a time of unprecedented change in agriculture.
She spoke about the importance of meaningful work, how we should view those needing criminal defence with dignity, and why we should meet people where they are at when trying to change their mind.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/12/sarah-langford-on-the-importance-of-meaningful-work-and-how-not-to-change-someones-mind

Oct 5, 2022 • 53min
Zara Mohammed on her muslim faith and the challenges of being a young woman leader
Zara Mohammed is Secretary General for the Muslim Council of Britain. When elected, she was the youngest and first woman to lead the organisation.
She spoke about her childhood, her muslim faith and the significance of putting on the headscarf, and the challenges of being a young woman leader running an organisation.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/05/zara-mohammed-on-her-muslim-faith-and-the-challenges-of-being-a-young-woman-leader

Sep 28, 2022 • 58min
Sathnam Sanghera on his Sikh faith, colonialism, and dealing with online abuse
Sathnam Sanghera is journalist for The Times, and best-selling memoirist. His most recent book, Empireland: How Imperialism Has Shaped Modern Britain, has been showered with awards and endorsements.
He spoke about growing up in Wolverhampton, his Sikh faith, dealing with online abuse, and his exploration of the history of colonialism.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/09/28/sathnam-sanghera-on-his-sikh-faith-dealing-with-online-abuse-and-learning-about-colonialism


