

Reversing Climate Change
Carbon Removal Strategies LLC
Reversing Climate Change is a podcast that bridges science, technology, and policy with the richness of the humanities. From the forefront of carbon removal and climatetech to explorations of literature, history, philosophy, theology, and geopolitics, we dive deep into the people, ideas, and innovations shaping a better future for the planet and its inhabitants.
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Oct 27, 2025 • 58min
372: Climate Change on the Battlefield: New Missions, New Kit, New Theaters—w/ Erin Sikorsky, Director of The Center for Climate and Security
Is climate change a fringe and woke distraction in military planning that inhibits lethality? Or is it invaluable strategic context for this century's power projection? What kinds of missions will soldiers be asked to perform in a world that is getting hotter and more complex?Today's guest is Erin Sikorsky, Director of The Center for Climate and Security and author of the new book, Climate Change on the Battlefield: International Military Responses to the Climate Crisis.Though this show is not merely about warfighting and lethality. It's about what it means to have an apolitical military (if that term isn't too contestable). It's also about the military increasingly adapting its own facilities to climate change, and being tasked with many more disaster response missions than it has been previously. What does it mean to have an armed force that is spending more time fighting forest fires than preparing for amphibious assaults? Is this even the correct service to be addressing disasters?I'd like to do many more episodes on this topic in the future. It's one that I find endlessly fascinating.This Episode's SponsorsAbsolute Climate: the only standard that’s developed independent of registriesPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersListen to the RCC episode with Peter Minor from Absolute ClimateListen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLPBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackErin Sikorsky's bio at The Center for Climate and SecurityErin's book, Climate Change on the Battlefield: International Military Responses to the Climate CrisisIan W. Toll's Pacific War Trilogy deals with interwar Japan, especially Pacific Crucible: War at Sea in the Pacific, 1941-1942. Listen also to the episode of the podcast I did with him here, "S3E34: The Environmental Impact of WW2 in the Pacific Theatre—w/ Ian W. Toll, author of The Pacific War Trilogy".Dan Carlin's Hardcore History episode "Supernova in the East 1" deals with this extensively too.Lucius Quinctius CincinnatusI started reading Pete Hegseth's The War on Warriors: Behind the Betrayal of the Men Who Keep Us Free, and would like to keep reading more criticism of the conflict between military preparedness and climate change.Listen in to the episode I did with Jeff Goodell where we discuss how the military thinks about climate change, "S3E51: The Heat Will Kill You First—w/ Jeff Goodell, author and contributing editor of Rolling Stone"Also, read his book The Water Will Come: Rising Seas, Sinking Cities, and the Remaking of the Civilized WorldGreat Green FleetGreat White FleetDiscounting/time preferenceCobra problemArctic Council“Where some states have an army, the Prussian Army has a state.”― Voltaire

Oct 22, 2025 • 54min
371: Can Carbon Removal Grow with Sports? Why Athletic Media Goes Up and to the Right—w/ Aidan Preston of Milkywire
Much of legacy media is dying. You know what isn't? Live sports. Where the outcome is uncertain, people want to watch.That means bringing together large numbers of fans and athletes. And what does that all add up to? Emissions. And emissions that could potentially be detached from profitability, leading to budgets large enough to support meaningful carbon removal.But will sports leagues move in this direction? Or is it better that it stay at the level of individual teams jockeying for brand value from climate action?Today's guest is Dr. Aidan Preston, Senior Impact Manager of Milkywire and former Advisor to the United States Department of Energy.Aidan is a sports fanatic and the author of Milkywire's latest report, "The Climate Cost of Growth in Sport: An Opportunity for Sports to Win on Climate".We discuss the evolving media landscape around sports, the creation and surprising rise of new sports, the omnipresence of sports betting, and how all of this might play out for carbon removal and climate action.This Episode's SponsorsAbsolute Climate: the only standard that’s developed independent of registriesPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersListen to the RCC episode with Peter Minor from Absolute ClimateListen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLPBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change Substack"The Climate Cost of Growth in Sport: An Opportunity for Sports to Win on Climate", a Milkywire report by Dr. Aidan Preston350: Robert Höglund Presents: The Many Perils of Being Catalytic in a Carbon Accounting WorldFIFA"Mohammad Ali — Amazing Speed"; watch this video for the out-of-this-world dodges aloneAmerica's Sweethearts: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders; you can see the F1 and golf series on Netflix too30 for 30KayfabeAidan recommended this Michael Lewis podcast on sports bettingAidan sent me the link to this study on how talking to strangers brings satisfactionAcquired episode about Indian Premier League Crickethttps://www.derekthompson.org/p/why-everything-became-televisionCUR8Taylor Swift and the Chiefs/NFLJason Isbell on being the subject of the documentary, Jason Isbell: Running With Our Eyes Closed: "Yet Isbell admits there were times during the filming process when he needed a moment to himself. “I would leave the room, or unplug my microphone and get away from the camera. Sometimes it was too much,” he says. “But once the footage was all there and edited together, I didn’t use any sort of veto power or take anything out.”"The Gulf of Aden (sorry, Aidan; I couldn't help it...)

Oct 14, 2025 • 51min
370: This CDR Legend Just Catalogued (Nearly) All Carbon Removal Companies—w/ Grant Faber
What happens when you build a list of very nearly every carbon dioxide removal company in existence? You get access to intriguing data and the pride of a very laborious job done well. Presumably you also get to take a nap.Grant Faber is a long-time carbon removal community fixture working on Life Cycle Analysis and Techno-Economic Assessment. Formerly of the Department of Energy, he now works with Absolute Climate (coincidentally, a sponsor of this episode!)Listen is as Grant shares what he has learned about looking at so many technology and project developers, whether it is better to be one-of-a-kind or in a community of methodological fellow travelers, and where he would go if he were ready to found his own company.He also avoids the risk of creating an alphabetical list of French cinema only to have it be called "seminal" in a cloak room. (Sorry, obligatory Peep Show reference...)This Episode's SponsorsAbsolute Climate: the only standard that’s developed independent of registriesPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersListen to the RCC episode with Peter Minor from Absolute ClimateListen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLPBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change Substack337: Fired from the Department of Energy: Carbon Removal's DOGE Night of the Soul—w/ Grant Faber, Carbon-Based Consulting333: Coproduction & Additionality: How Do We Draw the Line for Carbon Removal?—w/ Grant Faber, Carbon-Based Consulting359: Why Is the Pulp and Paper Industry So Great for CDR?—w/ Natalie Khtikian & Jon Rhone, Cofounders of CO280363: Carbon Markets and The Art of Not Being Governed: Legibility vs. Complexity in James C. Scott—w/ Grant FaberGrant's blog, Carbon-Based CommentaryAquarryCarbonRunSinkco LabsGrant's list (link to come)Notes from Alkali Earth on SubstackNoya winddown post on LinkedInRyan Anderson's MegaDAC DatabaseBob Woodward on WikipediaResidualCO280Deep Sky

Oct 7, 2025 • 42min
369: I See a Darkness—The Climate Movement Expects Deep Overshoot
I came back from New York Climate Week energized. I loved seeing everyone. But many of the conversations I had profoundly scared me. We're staring into the abyss of deep overshoot, and it's staring back into us.What would it mean for us to make peace with a world that doesn't decarbonize fast enough? That doesn't scale carbon removal before tipping points are reached? That is forced into more radical geoengineering approaches that may just be one more layer of intervention that we will likely manage just as badly?This is an emotional show. It's about war. It's about the Holocaust. It's about what it means to fail, and to fail gracefully, and how imagining how you would feel if you lost everything can potentially offer an unexpected lightness.This Episode's SponsorsAbsolute Climate: the only standard that’s developed independent of registriesPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersListen to the RCC episode with Peter Minor from Absolute ClimateListen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLPBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackThis episode title is a reference to Bonnie "Prince" Billy's excellent song, "I See a Darkness." I enjoy the slow version, but I adore the jauntier one's sense of irony, hope, and despair.The art is William Blake's work on Job.The riding the bomb scene from Dr. StrangeloveThucydides TrapDestined For War: Can America and China Escape Thucydides's Trap by Graham Allison338: Carbon Security and the Geopolitics of Carbon Removal—w/ Sarah GodekThe Avoidable War: The Dangers of a Catastrophic Conflict between the US and Xi Jinping's China by Kevin Rudd (here's his correct name!)Guns and butter"Ukraine's Zelenskyy issues a stark warning about a global arms race and AI war", NPRCassandraJobEternal returnLiberum Veto330: Frostpunk 2: Climate Video Games and Humane Storytelling at 11 bit studios—w/ Maciej Sulecki of This War of Mine, Frostpunk 1 & 2Ken Krimstein's When I Grow UpBloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin by Timothy SnyderHasidic JudaismVilna GaonPartitions of PolandMolotov-Ribbentrop PactHolodomorThe RoadThe Bridge on the River Kwai"Life unworthy of life"The unfinished business of ghostsDante's Divine Comedy—both Cantos VI & XVI have this feel"In man's life his time is a mere instant, his existence a flux, his perception fogged, his whole bodily composition rotting, his mind a whirligig, his fortune unpredictable, his fame unclear. To put it shortly: all things of the body stream away like a river, all things of the mind are dreams and delusion; life is warfare, and a visit in a strange land; the only lasting fame is oblivion.What then can escort us on our way? One thing, and one thing only: philosophy. This consists in keeping the divinity within us inviolate and free from harm, master of pleasure and pain, doing nothing without aim, truth, or integrity, and independent of others' action or failure to act. Further, accepting all that happens and is allotted to it as coming from that other source which is its own origin: and at all times awaiting death with the glad confidence that it is nothing more than the dissolution of the elements of which every living creature is composed. Now if there is nothing fearful for the elements themselves in their constant changing of each into another, why should one look anxiously in prospect at the change and dissolution of them all? This is in accordance with nature: and nothing harmful is in accordance with nature."— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book Two, 17

Sep 30, 2025 • 49min
368: The World Will Be Saved by Beauty: Carbon Removal's Feature Film Debut, LEGION 44—w/ Leila Conners, filmmaker
We all want to make sure carbon removal works. But who is working to make it beautiful? And could creating beauty be one of the most important jobs in all of climate?Leila Conners is a filmmaker who has been making environmental films for decades, including legendary ones like The 11th Hour with Leonardo DiCaprio. Her latest opus is Legion 44, which is a wonderful documentary highlighting so many alumni from this podcast and the CDR industry.We also discuss why the antihero is such a popular archetype, how you should construct your media diet, and the role of the feature film when long-form and short-form content are polarizing media duration.Legion 44 is now available for viewing on its own website and several other places, as well as on Tree+: Leila's new tv channel that you can download right to your smart tv. Please support her work spotlighting climate solutions and the delightful world of carbon removers."The world will be saved by beauty."- Fyodor Dostoyevsky-- Dorothy Day--- Michael Scott (jk... unless?)This Episode's SponsorsPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersArbonics: forestry project developer in the EUListen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from ArbonicsListen to the RCC episode with Ryan Covington from Philip Lee LLPBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackLeila Conners IMDbLegion 44Tree MediaTree+ tv channelThe 11th HourKoyaanisqatsiPhilip Glass's theme from KoyaanisqatsiDorothy Day: The World Will Be Saved by Beauty: An Intimate Portrait of My Grandmother is also a lovely book by Kate Hennessy, and also probably what highlighted this beautiful sentiment for me.Ari AsterHereditaryGraham HancockDavid Attenborough

Sep 23, 2025 • 54min
367: Is CDR Even Using "Bankability" Correctly?—w/ Ryan Covington, Attorney at Philip Lee LLP
Or "project finance", for that matter? Or are these just the current words we say at happy hours?Today, we attempt to nail down some of these definitions so we might have a chance of achieving either of these concepts.Ryan Covington is an attorney and partner in the Climate Projects team of Philip Lee (US) LLP, focused on the development and financing of engineered and nature-based carbon projects. Ryan shares his experience in structuring large financial deals in the carbon removal and climate tech space.Can carbon removal ever achieve scale without sufficient commercial finesse? Likely not, but isn't it pretty to think so?This Episode's SponsorsPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersArbonics: forestry project developer in the EUListen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from ArbonicsBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceUse this affiliate link to use Riverside to record your podcastsSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackJ'Accuse...!Ryan Covington's profile at Philip Lee LLPPhilip Lee LLP's Climate Projects pageThe Sun Also Rises by Ernest HemingwayMidnight in Paris scene with Ernest Hemingway"359: Why Is the Pulp and Paper Industry So Great for CDR?—w/ Natalie Khtikian & Jon Rhone, Co-Founders of CO280"

Sep 20, 2025 • 9min
I'm sailing from Seattle to San Francisco. Want to tag along?
Are you interested in sailing from Seattle to San Francisco on a sailing vessel older than World War 1?! Well, you can at the end of October 2025. Moreover, you'll be crewing alongside me.I recently joined the team of Maritime Blue as an Executive in Residence, working with ocean tech startups on commercial strategy, storytelling, and go-to-market. They're putting on a fabulous ocean conference in Seattle October 20th-26th.Right after that and until November 3rd is a passage they've chartered onboard the Statsraad Lehmkuhl that you can join as working crew.Check out the links to Maritime Blue, One Ocean Week, and the One Ocean Expedition below!ResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackMaritime BlueOne Ocean WeekOne Ocean Expedition (book your passage here!)Statsraad Lehmkuhl on WikipediaS2E33: Sailing in the age of climate change—w/ John Kretschmer, author and sailorI found the image on Wikipedia and it is is: By Ronnie Robertson - Statsraad IMG_5206, CC BY-SA 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=56179943I take no responsibility for the success or failure of the trip. Participation is at your own discretion. I have personally accepted the risk for myself, but every person must choose for themselves.

Sep 16, 2025 • 56min
366: Raising Anti-Doomer Kids & Processing the Many Feelings of Climate Change—w/ Ariella Cook-Shonkoff, MFT; author of Raising Anti-Doomers
Raising kids is hard enough. How do we do it now when existential dread is such a major part of youth experience? And how do we keep ourselves mentally healthy enough to be good at both our professional climate work and parenting?Today's show is with Ariella Cook-Shonkoff, psychotherapist and author of the new book, Raising Anti-Doomers: How to Bring Up Resilient Kids Through Climate Change and Tumultuous Times.She answers a bunch of questions I have about how much I should actually be staring into the abyss (but not whether it also stares back into me, weird I know...), agency, how to think about individual vs. collective safety, and how to bring children into a world where the grownups are either asking these enormous questions or pretending we don't need to.This Episode's SponsorsPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersArbonics: forestry project developer in the EUListen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from ArbonicsBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceUse this affiliate link to use Riverside to record your podcastsSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackAriella Cook-Shonkoff's websiteAriella's book, Raising Anti-Doomers: How to Bring Up Resilient Kids Through Climate Change and Tumultuous TimesAriella's Psychology Today blog, "The Anti-Doomer MindsetCultivating Resilience in an Age of Uncertainty"Climate Action Venn Diagrams from Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson

Sep 9, 2025 • 22min
365: Is Climate Action "Quixotic"?: Don Quixote's Psychosis & the Misuses of Political Nostalgia
Is that a noble man rejecting modernity and embracing tradition? Or is it a lunatic with a lance trying to disembowel a shepherd?The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha by Miguel de Cervantes (Saavedra) is the much beloved literary classic—and perhaps the world's first true novel—but its reputation goes far beyond the book itself. The character has spawned his own adjective: "quixotic", which gets levied at anyone who dares to dream a bit too big.But is this a word kind of like "epicurean", whose true meaning is subverted by modern use? I believe the answer is yes.This episode goes out to all of the climate people who dare to dream of a better, kinder world, and why I don't think your critics know what being "quixotic" means.This Episode's SponsorsPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersArbonics: forestry project developer in the EUListen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from ArbonicsBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceUse this affiliate link to use Riverside to record your podcastsSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change Substack"(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love And Understanding" by Elvis Costello & The AttractionsDon QuixoteJainismIt's hard for me to think about Don Quixote without also thinking about Sir Digby Chicken Caesar from That Mitchell and Webb Look since it is so clearly based upon Sancho and Don Quixote...And also Ignatius J. Reilly from A Confederacy of DuncesMan of La Mancha (musical)Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition meme"Golden Helmet of Mambrino" from Man of La ManchaIntertextualityI didn't explicitly name cases of left-wing nostalgia, but you can look to the Paris Commune (and earlier revolutionary moments in France), primitive communism, republican Spain, the consensus capitalism nostalgia of Michael Moore, etc.Henry VIII: King and Court by Alison Weir

Sep 2, 2025 • 42min
364: Lowering the Onion into Hell: Strategic Realism vs. Christian Pacifism
In The Brothers Karamazov, the character Grushenka tells a story about an old peasant woman who never did a good deed in her entire life and went to Hell when she died. The woman's guardian angel petitioned God to let him search her life for a single good deed and if he found one, God would let her into Heaven. God agreed. It turns out she had once given a beggar an onion! Her single good deed! So God told the guardian angel to lower the onion into Hell to lift her out of the Lake of Fire... What happens next depends upon the teller of the tale...Today we venture into theology and the surprisingly radical nature of Christianity. Dorothy Day once quoted in The Long Loneliness, "no one gets up in the pulpit without promulgating a heresy." I do my best to untangle what is genuinely striking in reading the Gospels with fresh eyes, and contrast that against much of the market-oriented and security competition games that dominate our world.So much of where that leads us sounds silly in the cold light of day. It's downright maladaptive to worldly success. But as Léon Bloy once said, "the only real sadness, the only real failure, the only great tragedy in life, is not to become a saint." So, what the hell are we supposed to make of a world that is so at odds with the gentleness commanded by so many of the world's spiritual traditions?I'll share with you what I've learned about myself in trying to become simpler, and do so with as open a heart as I can muster. "Do I contradict myself?Very well then I contradict myself,(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"— Walt Whitman, "Song of Myself,", Leaves of Grass“It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”― VoltaireThis Episode's SponsorsPhilip Lee LLP: legal resources for carbon removal buyers and suppliersArbonics: forestry project developer in the EUListen to the RCC episode with Lisett Luik from ArbonicsBecome a sponsor by emailing carbon.removal.strategies[at]gmail.comUse this affiliate link to use Descript's transcripting and podcast editing serviceUse this affiliate link to use Riverside to record your podcastsSign up for the 9Zero climate coworking space with my referral codeResourcesBecome a paid subscriber of Reversing Climate ChangeSubscribe to the Reversing Climate Change SubstackRealism (international relations)Liberalism (international relations)Prisoner's dilemma338: Carbon Security & the Geopolitics of Carbon Removal—w/ Sarah GodekPax Americana Henry KissingerRobert D. KaplanSermon on the Mount on WikipediaThe Sermon on the Mount starting with Matthew 5, King James Version (for the idioms alone)AnabaptismCatholic Worker MovementThe Long Loneliness by Dorothy DayThe Kingdom of God Is Within You by Leo Tolstoy"The Epistle to the Galatians" on WikipediaThe Autobiography of Malcolm X by Malcolm X & Alex HaleyA Hidden Life (go watch this film right away!)345: Why Too Many TV Antiheroes May Be Bad for the ClimateDefault to Good (TvTropes)It isn't thematically exactly right since I argue against many of its verses, but the chorus to Bob Dylan's "My Back Pages" is apt: "Oh, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now!" I prefer the version by The Byrds.Everything is Tuberculosis: The History and Persistence of Our Deadliest Infection by John Green The "no one should die from a preventable illness" memeCasablancaRomanticismLes MisérablesJean ValjeanChaotic Good (TvTropes)D&D Character Alignment (TvTropes)Grushenka's onion story (it's in the middle of the chapter; feel free to search by "onion" to find it)The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky


