Making Chips Podcast for Manufacturing Leaders

Larry Robbins, President and CEO of SMW Autoblok Corporation, brings over 45 years of manufacturing wisdom. He shares hilarious and eye-opening anecdotes about his early career, workplace culture, and the importance of integrity in hiring. The discussion dives into the value of modular workholding, dubbed 'magic hands', and why investing in quality equipment is crucial. Robbins also tackles the future of manufacturing, advocating for flexibility, better processes, and the need for transparency in vendor relationships.

In this special episode of MakingChips, we broadcast from the EBITDA Growth Systems Double Your Value Planning Event—a gathering designed to pull shop owners out of the day-to-day grind and force intentional thinking about long-term growth. This year's event was hosted at the Sandvik Coromant facility in Mebane, North Carolina, creating a perfect backdrop for conversations about planning, strategy, and culture. Paul is joined by three key voices who bring decades of hard-earned manufacturing wisdom: Jim Carr, a founding voice of MakingChips; Zach Overton, who is deep in the trenches of leading a multi-generation shop through transition and growth; and David Capkovitz, co-founder of EBITDA Growth Systems, whose strategic coaching framework is the backbone of this entire event. They pull back the curtain on why the event exists, how planning actually becomes actionable, and how shops can double their value in three years. Together, they dive into the realities every manufacturer faces—financial blind spots, operational challenges, cultural shifts, succession dilemmas, and the emotional weight of leadership. David's perspective as a coach blends seamlessly with Jim and Zach's lived experiences, creating a conversation that's equal parts strategic and deeply human. This episode highlights why stepping away from the shop floor is often the missing link for achieving the next level of growth. Whether you're planning for 2026, building resilience for a generational handoff, or simply trying to stop fighting fires, the insights shared here offer a clear direction forward. And yes—there's also a Cheerwine Old Fashioned or two. If you're ready to plan your next chapter with more clarity and confidence, this episode gives you the mindset and the roadmap to get started. Segments (0:00) Setting the scene: EGS happy hour, heaters, and Cheerwine Old Fashioneds (1:11) Paul and Jim revisit the origins of MakingChips and Jim's full-circle moment (2:35) What the Double Your Value Planning Event is & how it's grown under EGS (3:32) Introducing Zach Overton and his connections with Paul & Jim (4:36) Jim's memories and insights from advanced machining processes (6:38) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (7:14) David explains why EGS created the event and its planning philosophy (10:23) The power of peer-to-peer conversations among manufacturers (11:54) Identifying obstacles to growth and building criticality assessments (13:15) Zach shares his takeaways from stepping out of day-to-day firefighting (15:26) Jim describes how EGS supports Carr Machine as a Fractional CFO (18:08) Lighter moments: drink taste-testing and event humor (19:53) Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP (21:27) Zach explains how David coaches Overton Industries operationally (24:15) How manufacturers can start planning intentionally for 2026 (28:08) Why shop owners need guidance, accountability, and encouragement (30:11) Culture as the foundation of growth: reflections on Mike Hirsh's talk (32:13) Jim's transformation story: shifting from a lifestyle business to scalable growth (36:21) Why you need to check out the SMW Autoblok catalog (37:31) Did older generations only want lifestyle businesses? (39:00) Zach on pushing back in automotive to protect margins (40:38) Navigating multi-owner family decisions and succession complexity (42:12) David reflects on the personal relationships EGS builds with clients Resources mentioned on this episode Connect with EBITA Growth Systems Connect with Jim Carr on LinkedIn Connect with David Capkovitz on LinkedIn Connect with Zach Overton on LinkedIn Connect with Mike Hirsh on LinkedIn Peter Doyle on Machine Shop MBA and Machine Shop Mastery MC070: Leadership, Action, and a British Accent – with Sean Holt Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP Why you need to check out the SMW Autoblok catalog Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

Charlie Hushek, the fifth-generation president of Phoenix Heat Treating, shares his remarkable journey through crisis in a family-owned business. He faced the daunting task of rebuilding company culture and systems after losing vital certifications and navigating the challenges of COVID. Charlie emphasizes the critical role of transparency and shared values in turning chaos into clarity. His innovative approaches, including profit-sharing and a focus on emotional wellness, illustrate how leadership can thrive under pressure, defining a blueprint for recovery and resilience.

Join Joey Jones of Aerotech Machining, Jamie from Midway Swiss, Mike Bauer of Marathon Precision, and Allison Giddens from Wintech as they share their secrets to success live from the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Joey reveals how pallet automation revolutionized their operations. Jamie discusses running multiple machines with minimal labor through robotics. Mike explains his 'Spider Web Strategy' of buying machines to attract customers. Allison champions employee-focused HR practices, showing how community engagement and culture transformation lead to excellence. Each guest brings invaluable insights and humor!

In this conversation, Mark Kennedy, Senior Director of Exhibitions at AMT, delves into the intricate planning behind the IMTS, the world's largest manufacturing trade show. He highlights the importance of the IMTS Exhibitor Workshop, which equips exhibitors with essential strategies from marketing to logistics. Mark likens IMTS to a Super Bowl for manufacturers, emphasizing the significance of effective booth designs. His insights on continuous improvement, interactive booth ideas, and future trends in AI make for an engaging discussion on maximizing trade show success.

We're coming to you once again from the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit in Washington, D.C.—the largest gathering of small business owners in U.S. history. This time, we're joined by two inspiring leaders from the Metalworking Nation who prove that the heart of American manufacturing beats strongest in small towns and family-run shops. Our guests, Jenny Steffensmeier, owner of Steffensmeier Welding & Manufacturing in Pilot Grove, Iowa, and Paul Bothe, third-generation owner of a CNC job shop in Kenosha, Wisconsin, share how the Goldman Sachs 10KSB program transformed not only their businesses, but their lives. From resilience in the face of loss to the legacy of family ownership and the power of advocacy, their stories show what it means to make small big. Together, we talk about how to lead through transition, the role of creativity in machining, and why the best shops are built by "high-quality people doing high-quality work." Whether you're a shop owner, an aspiring entrepreneur, or a believer in the power of community, this episode will remind you why manufacturing matters—and how small businesses create a big impact. Segments (0:00) Recording live from the Goldman Sachs 10KSB Summit (2:45) Introducing guests Jenny Steffensmeier and Paul Bothe (5:50) Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP (7:23) How Jenny got involved with the Goldman Sachs 10KSB program (8:22) How Paul found his way from music to manufacturing (13:20) Jenny's story of taking over the business after her husband's passing (17:12) The power of community and connection in the 10KSB program (18:39) Leadership lessons from raising five kids and leading a team (20:24) Why you should consider Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing (21:33) Favorite lessons from the 10,000 Small Businesses modules (25:00) Jenny's realization at 10KSB: "I'm not alone." (27:58) Why vulnerability builds better leaders (28:54) Family legacy: The German "Mittelstand" mindset and stewardship over ownership (30:42) How family values and long-term customer relationships build trust (32:21) Jenny on her children's involvement and carrying forward their father's legacy (35:22) Lessons in storytelling—Tailoring your message for customers, students, and policymakers (38:52) "High-quality people doing high-quality work"—what culture really means (40:54) Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (41:29) Thinking bigger: making small businesses big through policy and voice (40:30) Final reflections and memorable takeaways Resources mentioned on this episode Invest in your business by investing in ProShop ERP Use Phoenix Heat Treating for Outside Processing Grow your top and bottom-line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) Connect with Jenny on LinkedIn Connect with Paul on LinkedIn Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

We're coming to you live from Washington, D.C., at the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit—the largest gathering of small business owners in U.S. history. With more than 2,700 entrepreneurs in one place, the energy is electric, and the conversations are powerful. Among them is our guest, Brandon Dahms, owner of Innovative Manufacturing & Engineering (IME) in Des Moines, Iowa. Brandon's story captures what this summit is all about—growth, resilience, and transformation. After starting his career with plans to work in sports marketing, he took an unexpected turn into manufacturing and never looked back. Today, his 10,000-square-foot, lights-out machining operation runs nearly 24/7, serving as proof that automation, strategy, and strong leadership can turn even the smallest shop into a powerhouse. In this episode, we talk with Brandon about how the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses program helped him refine his growth strategy, strengthen his company culture, and position IME for long-term success. We dive into what it's like to go through a program that feels like an "MBA for real-world business owners" and how it shaped his ability to pivot from a traditional job shop to a high-volume, automated manufacturer. We also explore the advocacy side of the program—how small business owners like Brandon are meeting directly with congressional leaders to influence policy on issues that affect manufacturers every day: workforce development, healthcare costs, and economic uncertainty. From his experience in the classroom to his conversations on Capitol Hill, Brandon shows how one voice can help represent the entire metalworking nation. If you've ever wondered how programs like this can truly impact your business—and why stepping outside your bubble might be the key to future growth—this conversation is one you don't want to miss. Segments (0:39) Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) (1:15) Recording at the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit (2:48) Brandon Dahms' origin story in metalworking (6:07) Why "Innovative Manufacturing & Engineering" stuck (and why it's a long email address) (7:17) Why apply for the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses program? (11:13) Why the investment of time is invaluable—Brandon's personal ROI (12:40) Manufacturing's place in the conversation: explaining CNC to non-manufacturers (13:30) The Voices advocacy program: How advocacy efforts translate into real policy conversations (16:05) Navigating uncertainty: Tariffs, government shutdowns, and planning for growth (18:16) SMW Autoblok: automation and workholding innovation (19:28) Applying 10KSB lessons to IME—pivoting, culture, and core values (21:08) Pivoting from job shop to high-volume manufacturing and reshoring work (22:51) Presenting the capstone project (a real-world growth plan) (24:34) How networking led to new high-volume customers (26:53) Balancing capacity, growth, and selectivity in customer relationships (28:21) Hiring for core values first, technical skill second (and personality tests that help) (31:20) Aligning personal goals with company growth (33:07) How to apply for the 10,000 Small Businesses program and what to expect (34:45) How MakingChips' "Machine Shop MBA" series aligns with the same mission (36:44) Why the best ideas often come from outside your industry (38:00) Hire MFG Leaders—find manufacturing talent that fits Resources mentioned on this episode Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Summit Connect with Brandon Dahms on LinkedIn Grow your top and bottom line with CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) SMW Autoblok: automation and workholding innovation Hire MFG Leaders—find manufacturing talent that fits Apply for Goldman Sachs 10,000 Small Businesses Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube

In this insightful discussion, lean practitioners Noah Goellner, President of AME and Hennig, and Nick DeGeorgia, Manufacturing Engineer at P1 Industries, share their journeys and practical lean implementations. They explore the impact of lean thinking beyond the shop floor, emphasizing culture, waste elimination, and value flow. Nick highlights effective strategies like the two-bin Kanban system and fostering a trusting environment for continuous improvement. The conversation serves as a valuable guide for anyone looking to integrate lean principles across various business functions.

Charlie Hushek, a third-generation owner of Phoenix Heat Treating and new machine shop owner, shares invaluable insights on managing outside processes in manufacturing. He highlights the risks involved when parts leave your shop, emphasizing the importance of transparency and strong vendor relationships. Charlie discusses common pitfalls, the need for explicit communication about specifications, and how to treat outside processors as extensions of your operation. He provides practical strategies for risk reduction, effective documentation, and maintaining quality throughout the supply chain.

Finance doesn't have to be a mystery—it can be your greatest advantage. In this episode of the Machine Shop MBA series, we sit down with Jon Hughes, Erik Skie, and Mike Estes from CliftonLarsonAllen (CLA) to unpack the financial principles that separate high-performing shops from those that just get by. Together, they dig into how manufacturers can transform their accounting systems from mere compliance tools into strategic assets that fuel growth. From understanding capacity and pricing to mastering forecasting and job costing, this conversation bridges the gap between the shop floor and the balance sheet. CLA's experts explain why simplicity often beats complexity, how to avoid "bad business" when chasing volume, and why aligning cost structure with capacity utilization is the secret to consistent profitability. They also explore how automation and advanced equipment investments change the financial equation, why separating costing from pricing is essential, and how the best-run shops use forecasting not just to plan—but to learn. Whether you're running a $3M job shop or a $30M operation, this episode gives you the tools to make smarter financial decisions and build long-term resilience. Segments (1:03) Recapping Nick's trip to EMO in Germany (1:52) Meet the guests: Jon Hughes, Erik Skie, and Mike Estes from CLA (4:38) Grow your top and bottom-line with CLA (7:06) Keep it simple: Capacity vs. demand (the key to unlocking consistent profitability) (9:19) Why labor is effectively a fixed cost in modern manufacturing (12:21) When increasing capacity is a smart risk and when it's not (15:08) Activity-based costing and why not all machines should share the same rate (16:38) Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for outside processing (17:47) How to price automation and capture its true value (20:30) Separating cost from price & matching pricing strategy to niche and capacity (25:06) The danger of underutilized automation and inflated rates (27:09) How customer communication improves quoting accuracy and margins (28:38) The "death spiral" of bad quoting assumptions (30:57) Understanding your cost structure vs. chasing perfect accuracy (32:46) Material-heavy jobs, overhead allocation, and avoiding double-dipping (35:25) Demystifying EDM technology with Methods Machine Tools Bill Burba (49:17) Forecasting and budgeting: why they matter beyond the numbers (52:35) Linking your business model to your P&L for smarter decision-making (54:23) How to use forecasting to test your assumptions (56:05) Killing unprofitable jobs ("deselecting customers") and improving mix (1:01:10) Meet us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC Resources mentioned on this episode Grow your top and bottom-line with CLA Why we love Phoenix Heat Treating for outside processing Get more information about EDM technology from Methods Machine Tools Business Model Canvas Meet us at Top Shops 2025 in Charlotte, NC Connect With MakingChips www.MakingChips.com On Facebook On LinkedIn On Instagram On Twitter On YouTube