The Boring AppSec Podcast

In Season 2 Episode 4, we talk to Varun Badhwar, Founder & CEO @ Endor Labs. We discuss the current state of application security, the challenges faced by development teams, and the importance of integrating security into the software development lifecycle. Varun shares insights from his previous experiences in building and acquiring cybersecurity companies, emphasizing the need for effective compliance strategies and the balance between platform solutions and best-of-breed tools. In this conversation, Varun Badhwar discusses the evolving landscape of cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of compliance, product usability, and the integration of AI technologies like LLMs in vulnerability management. He highlights the need for a user-centric approach in AppSec, the challenges of providing context to engineers, and the future implications of AI in security governance. Key Takeaways - Endor Labs aims to make AppSec more engaging and effective. - Many existing AppSec tools create friction between teams. - The future of software development will involve AI-generated code. - Understanding the software supply chain is crucial for security. - Acquisitions in cybersecurity often fail due to integration issues. - Founders must empathize with practitioner pain to build effective products. - Compliance often drives security priorities in organizations. - Effective integration of tools can enhance security outcomes. - The industry needs to focus on enabling faster business operations. - Balancing platform capabilities with best-of-breed tools is essential. - Compliance is essential for sales enablement in cybersecurity. - First-time founders should focus on product and distribution. - User experience and developer experience are critical in AppSec products. - Contextual information is vital for engineers to make informed decisions. - Automation can help reduce noise in security alerts. - Reachability analysis improves visibility in code dependencies. - Impact assessment is crucial for effective vulnerability remediation. - LLMs can assist in reasoning but need rules for effective application. - AI governance is a growing concern in the software development space. - The industry must adapt to the rapid advancements in AI technology. Tune in to find out more! Contacting Varun * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vbadhwar/ * Endor Labs: https://www.endorlabs.com/ Contacting Anshuman * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/anshuman_bh * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/ * ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya Contacting Sandesh * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JubbaOnJeans * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/

In Season 2 Episode 3, we interview Robert Wood, Founder & CEO @ SideKick Security. We discuss Rob's journey from working at Cigital to starting his own consulting firm, the challenges of point solutions in cybersecurity, and the importance of soft skills in the industry. Rob shares insights on platformization versus services, tailoring security programs to unique needs, and building a security data lake to enhance data sharing and collaboration among teams. The conversation emphasizes the need for effective communication and community engagement in cybersecurity. Key Takeaways - Sidekick Security aims to address the challenges of siloed point solutions in cybersecurity. - Rob emphasizes the importance of soft skills alongside technical skills in cybersecurity roles. - Platformization can help reduce silos, but unique security needs must be considered. - Every security program is unique and should be approached accordingly. - Building a security data lake can enhance data sharing and collaboration among teams. - Effective communication is crucial for security professionals to succeed. - Engaging with the community is essential for growth in the cybersecurity field. - Regulation and governance discussions are crucial as new technologies emerge. Tune in to find out more! Contacting Robert * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/holycyberbatman/ * SideKick Security: https://sidekicksecurity.io/ Contacting Anshuman * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/anshuman_bh * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/ * ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya Contacting Sandesh * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JubbaOnJeans * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/

In Season 2 Episode 2, we interview Dustin Lehr, Co-Founder, Chief Product & Technology Officer at Katilyst. We discuss the significance of security champions in application security. We explore the cultural aspects of implementing security champions programs, the challenges of maintaining engagement, and the importance of leadership support. The conversation delves into measuring the success of these programs, the role of behavioral science, and the impact of effective training and gamification in enhancing security awareness within organizations. Dustin discusses the Octalysis framework, which identifies eight core human motivators that can be leveraged in gamification and cybersecurity culture. He emphasizes the importance of building relationships within organizations to change perceptions of security teams and foster a collaborative environment. Dustin also shares insights on the intersection of creativity and cybersecurity, his motivations for starting a company, and the role of AI in enhancing human interactions rather than replacing them. Key Takeaways - Security champions programs are crucial for fostering a security culture. - Engagement and leadership support are key to program success. - Measuring success can be challenging but is essential. - Behavioral science plays a significant role in security engagement. - Gamification can enhance training but must be used wisely. - Curiosity can drive initial engagement but must be sustained. - Training should be relevant and tailored to the audience. - Creating empathy between teams improves security outcomes. - Deep gamification focuses on understanding human drives. - Starting a company is about helping others, not just profit. - AI can augment human interactions but cannot replace them. - Security teams should focus on providing value and support. - Human connection is essential in cybersecurity. - The importance of community and collaboration in security efforts. Tune in to find out more! Contacting Dustin * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dustinlehr/ * Security Champion Success Guide: https://securitychampionsuccessguide.org/ Contacting Anshuman * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/anshuman_bh * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/ * ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya Contacting Sandesh * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JubbaOnJeans * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/

In Season 2 Episode 1, we interview Jimmy Mesta, a seasoned expert in application security and co-founder of RAD Security. We discuss the evolution of Kubernetes, its security challenges, and the importance of understanding the complexities of cloud-native infrastructure. Jimmy shares insights from his journey of starting a company, the role of AI in security, and the nuances of investing in security startups. The conversation highlights the need for a comprehensive approach to security that encompasses both application and infrastructure aspects, as well as the importance of mentorship and community in the startup ecosystem. Key Takeaways - RAD Security aims to address real-time security for cloud-native infrastructure. - Kubernetes has evolved significantly, but security challenges remain. - Managed Kubernetes services have simplified deployment but not security. - Starting a company requires surrounding yourself with experienced mentors. - RASP solutions faced implementation challenges despite their potential. - Defining applications in a microservices architecture is complex. - AI presents both opportunities and skepticism in the security space. - Investing in startups requires trust and understanding of the founder's journey. - Efficiency in security operations is crucial for success. Tune in to find out more! Contacting Jimmy * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmymesta/ * X: https://x.com/jimmesta Contacting Anshuman * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/anshuman_bh * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/ * ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya Contacting Sandesh * LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/ * X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/JubbaOnJeans * Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 10, we discuss some security predictions that we hope to see in the near future. Some of them are: AI agents - different kinds - activity based and/or persona based Security talent is going to get better, hiring is important AI powered security engineers - up leveling junior engineers AI code review assistants - GPT4-o et al Company consolidations happening in the security industry - D&R space ASPM predictions and how AI agents will help evolve this space CISA’s guidance on building secure by default frameworks Automated red teaming Hiring security engineers vs changes in interviewing Tune in to find out more! References mentioned in the episode: OpenAI Security Bots - https://github.com/openai/openai-security-bots Build an AI Appsec Team - https://srajangupta.substack.com/p/building-an-ai-appsec-team CISA and secure design - https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/cisa-announces-secure-design-commitments-leading-technology-providers Awesome secure defaults - https://github.com/tldrsec/awesome-secure-defaults Slack vs MSFT teams - https://x.com/TrungTPhan/status/1640866391485194241 The Innovator's Dilemma - https://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Dilemma-Revolutionary-Change-Business/dp/0062060244 Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 9, we discuss incidents. Both Sandesh and I share 2 incidents each and the lessons learnt from them. Tune in! References mentioned in the episode: Log4j - https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/apache-log4j-vulnerability-guidance Incident runbook - https://engineering.razorpay.com/how-an-incident-transformed-razorpay-improving-the-5-why-rca-format-378de299b9a2 Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 8, we continue discussing bug bounties from where we left off in Episode 3. We discuss how to build mature bug bounty programs, how to start a program, how to convince stake holders to start a program, differences and similarities between vulnerability disclosure programs and bug bounty programs among other things. Tune in! Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 7, we discuss how to hire the right security folks on a security engineering team. We go over the interviewing process, what to look out for, how to compose a team, and also share some of our experiences of interviewing including some tips on what a candidate can/should do if they want to get noticed by hiring managers and recruiters. Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 6, we discuss the art of Vulnerability Management. What it means, what are some of the problems we've seen as practitioners, what are some ways we've considered to make the process of managing vulnerabilities easy. References: We will try and add information about all the references we make here. Please enter rabbit holes at will :)  Gitlab's Security Handbook - https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/security/ Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

Welcome to the Boring AppSec Podcast! In Episode 5, we dig deep into what threat modeling is from a practitioner's perspective. We compare it with design reviews and discuss when/how/why of threat modeling. In the end, we wrap up by talking about how Gen AI could help threat modeling significantly. References: We will try and add information about all the references we make here. Please enter rabbit holes at will :)  Threat modeling manifesto - Threatmodelingmanifesto.org STRIDE framework - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STRIDE_(security)  Tools for threat modeling ⁠https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/security/develop/threat-modeling-tool⁠ ⁠https://www.iriusrisk.com/threat-modeling/freemium⁠ ⁠https://owasp.org/www-project-threat-dragon/⁠ ⁠https://excalidraw.com/⁠ ⁠https://www.securitycompass.com/sdelements/⁠ Talks on threat modeling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGy_KCRUGd4⁠  ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVSyqFdO-D8⁠  Articles - https://www.scaletozero.com/episodes/understanding-threat-modeling-with-jeevan-singh/  Gen AI related threat modeling tools/companies Stride GPT- https://stridegpt.streamlit.app/ Nullify - https://www.nullify.ai/ Remysec - https://www.remysec.com/ Seezo - https://seezo.io/ https://www.sarahtavel.com/p/ai-startups-sell-work-not-software  https://github.com/captn3m0/ideas  Contacting Anshuman LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anshumanbhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/anshuman_bh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://anshumanbhartiya.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/anshuman.bhartiya/⁠⁠⁠⁠  YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@AnshumanBhartiya⁠⁠⁠⁠    Contacting Sandesh LinkedIn: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anandsandesh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/JubbaOnJeans/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://boringappsec.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠