
The Agile Attorney Podcast
The Agile Attorney podcast teaches legal professionals how to streamline their legal workflows using the principles, practices, and tools of the Kanban Method.
Join Accredited Kanban Trainer and award-winning legal operations professional John E. Grant as he shares the keys to implementing effective strategies, practices, and technologies to drive true efficiency in your legal processes.
For more information on how John can help you develop an agile mindset and bust through your legal delivery bottlenecks, visit https://agileattorney.com.
This is the show for you if you find yourself asking questions like:
-How can I make my law practice more efficient?
-What is the best way to implement legal project management in my legal workflow?
-How can I best leverage technology to improve my legal workflows?
-What is the best way to transition my practice to flat fees or other alternative billing structures?
-How can I get my legal team to perform better?
-How can I better build productized legal services?
-What is the best way to increase law firm revenue without adding headcount?
Latest episodes

May 20, 2025 • 53min
070. Profit First for Lawyers: A Conversation with RJon Robins
Is your law practice truly profitable? Not just cash-flow positive, but actually generating the kind of profit that allows you to serve your clients well, take care of your team, and live the life you want? In this episode, I dive deep into the critical topic of law firm profitability with RJon Robins, founder of How to Manage a Small Law Firm and author of Profit First for Lawyers.We explore why so many lawyers struggle with profitability, how to properly calculate your cost of goods sold, and why understanding the difference between static and dynamic overhead can transform your practice. While RJon and I have different communication styles, we align on the core principle: putting profit first isn't selfish—it's essential for creating a sustainable practice that truly serves everyone involved.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/70

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May 13, 2025 • 47min
069. Document Automation Secrets for Small Law Firms with Quinten Steenhuis
Quinten Steenhuis, co-director of the Legal Innovation and Technology Lab at Suffolk Law School and owner of Lemma Consulting, shares insights on document automation for small law firms. He discusses the creation of a document assembly line during the pandemic to enhance access to justice. Topics include the importance of user-friendly apps for simplifying legal processes, the role of generative AI in improving document accuracy, and the balance between legal jargon and accessible language. Quinten emphasizes the transformative power of technology in legal practice.

May 6, 2025 • 30min
068. Adaptability by Design: Building Law Practices That Respond to Change
Adaptability is key for legal practices navigating rapid changes in technology and economics. Understanding your mission helps lawyers respond intelligently rather than reactively. The discussion highlights the impact of generative AI on client-centered litigation and the emotional aspects of legal education. Strategies for managing overwhelming demand in law firms include pausing new intakes and improving workflows. Enhancing legal outcomes through clearer communication and innovative revenue models is also explored, promoting sustainability in practice.

Apr 29, 2025 • 46min
067. AI & Legal Writing: How to Use It Effectively with Jonah Perlin
What makes legal writing truly effective? It's not just about knowing the law—it's about knowing how to communicate it. In this episode, I'm joined by Professor Jonah Perlin from Georgetown Law School, where he teaches first-year legal practice and advanced legal writing courses.We explore how the process of putting ideas into words -wrestling with language and structure- is actually the path to stronger analysis and deeper understanding, and the role AI has in effective legal writing. We discuss the importance of feedback in legal education and practice, and how both giving and receiving feedback effectively is a skill that needs to be developed. Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/67

Apr 22, 2025 • 50min
066. Build a Law Practice that Reflects Your Values, with Carolyn Elefant
There has never been a better time in the history of lawyers to start your own law practice. The tools, know-how, and access to support are better than ever before, and they keep improving every day. Whether you're facing job uncertainty, working at a firm with values that don't align with yours, or simply tired of working for someone else, going solo might be the best career move you can make.This week, I'm joined by Carolyn Elefant, the brains behind myshingle.com and the author of "Solo by Choice," the go-to guidebook for creating a startup law practice that aligns with your values and serves your life. Carolyn shares insights on how to overcome common obstacles, build a client base through relationship marketing, and structure your day for maximum productivity.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/66

Apr 15, 2025 • 24min
065. Scale Your Practice with a Mesh Management Approach
Most law firms start by building support structures around the expert (you), but eventually hit a ceiling where growth becomes limited by your personal capacity. No matter how efficient your team becomes at supporting you, the system can only move as fast as you can.In this episode, I explore how to transform your practice from an expert-dependent model to a resilient mesh system where quality standards are embedded in your processes and your team is empowered to make decisions without constant oversight. The result? A practice that can scale far beyond your personal limitations while maintaining the quality your clients expect.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/65

Apr 8, 2025 • 30min
064. The Dental Chair Theory of Lawyering
Ever feel like you're constantly juggling multiple client matters at once, switching between tasks, and never fully focusing on any single piece of work? This scattered way of working is more detrimental to your practice than you realize. One incredibly effective solution to this problem is understanding what call The Dental Chair Theory of Lawyering, and I'm explaining it in today's episode. This approach not only improves the quality of your work but also enhances the client experience and ultimately leads to a more efficient, less stressful practice.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/64

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Apr 1, 2025 • 34min
063. Legal Automation Pitfalls: Are You Meeting Client Needs?
Too much automation can hurt your law practice. Learn to recognize when efficiency undermines personal connections. Discover how strategic planning enhances both client experience and firm mission. Emphasizing human feedback is key to effective automation design. Explore the importance of intentional process design to boost client engagement and understanding, creating better outcomes. By focusing on both client and team needs, you can develop systems that truly enhance the legal experience.

Mar 25, 2025 • 28min
062. Delegation Pitfalls: When Legal Work Goes Too Deep or Too Wide
Have you ever delegated legal work to a colleague, only to get back something that completely misses the mark? Maybe they dove way too deep into the weeds, or perhaps they barely scratched the surface of what you needed. As a lawyer, calibrating expectations when delegating tasks can be a constant challenge.In this episode, I tackle a listener question about managing the extremes when delegating legal work. What do you do when you've got a true "lawyer's lawyer" on your team who loves to explore every rabbit hole? And how do you handle a junior team member who doesn't yet have the context to know which path to take? Listen in to find out.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/62

Mar 18, 2025 • 21min
061. Delivering Your Legal Work: Direct Flight or Long Layover?
Does your firm have legal matters that are endlessly dragging on, frustrating both you and your clients? It may seem like investing in the latest AI tools is the obvious next step to speed up your firm's delivery, but the real solution lies in managing the flow of work across your entire system.This week, I share three powerful strategies for reducing waiting time in your law practice. By implementing these techniques, you'll be able to deliver quality outcomes to your clients faster, improve their overall experience, and boost your firm's profitability and sustainability. Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/61