
The Agile Attorney Podcast
The Agile Attorney podcast teaches legal professionals how to streamline their legal workflows using the principles, practices, and tools of the Kanban Method.
Join Accredited Kanban Trainer and award-winning legal operations professional John E. Grant as he shares the keys to implementing effective strategies, practices, and technologies to drive true efficiency in your legal processes.
For more information on how John can help you develop an agile mindset and bust through your legal delivery bottlenecks, visit https://agileattorney.com.
This is the show for you if you find yourself asking questions like:
-How can I make my law practice more efficient?
-What is the best way to implement legal project management in my legal workflow?
-How can I best leverage technology to improve my legal workflows?
-What is the best way to transition my practice to flat fees or other alternative billing structures?
-How can I get my legal team to perform better?
-How can I better build productized legal services?
-What is the best way to increase law firm revenue without adding headcount?
Latest episodes

Jul 1, 2025 • 38min
076. How Scrum Lessons Can Improve Your Law Practice: Kanban for Lawyers Part 2
Back in the early 2000s, software teams started embracing a new way of working that turned conventional project management on its head. Instead of trying to define everything up front and push massive projects toward a distant deadline, they asked a different question: what’s the most valuable work we can deliver in the next two weeks? That question gave rise to Scrum—a system built on fixed time, cross-functional teams, and fast feedback. And while it started in software, the lessons apply just as powerfully to legal work. Tune in to hear how you can apply these principles to your practice—especially around prioritization, workflow design, and respecting your finite capacity—so that you’re working smarter, not just harder.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/76

Jun 24, 2025 • 40min
075. Legal Workflow Lessons from the Factory Floor: Kanban for Lawyers Part 1
A Japanese automobile factory floor in the 1950s might seem worlds away from your law office, but the visual management systems that transformed Toyota's manufacturing process hold powerful lessons for modern legal practice. The same principles that helped Toyota become a global automotive giant can help you create smoother workflows, reduce overwhelm, and deliver more predictable outcomes for your clients.In this episode, I explore the origins of the Kanban method and why visual systems are so effective for managing work. I trace the journey from physical cards on factory floors to the digital Kanban boards that software developers adopted in the late 1990s, and explain why these same tools are perfectly suited for legal work. Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/75

Jun 17, 2025 • 29min
074. Using Kanban to Manage Capacity
In law firms across the country, I'm seeing a concerning pattern emerge when one attorney adopts Kanban and Agile methods while their partner - often from an older generation of lawyers - resists these systematic approaches. This clash of perspectives frequently pushes teams back into overload and burnout.This week, I explore how this capacity tension manifests in law firms, particularly during succession planning. I share specific strategies for implementing personal Kanban systems to manage competing demands and discuss the critical difference between basic Kanban board interfaces and true Kanban methodology tools designed to support sustainable legal practice management.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/74

Jun 10, 2025 • 23min
073. Don't Let Magical AI Thinking Cloud Your Sense of Capacity
A concerning trend I've noticed both in my own practice and among my clients is that the rise of AI technology is making it harder to accurately assess our true capacity. Between constant marketing messages and the promise of enhanced productivity through AI tools, many of us are failing to gauge our own capacity and falling into the trap of overcommitting.The legal tech landscape is evolving rapidly, and technology companies are using sophisticated attention-hacking techniques to convince us their products are essential. Without clear goals and strategies in place, we become more susceptible to these marketing messages and risk adopting tools that don't actually serve our practice needs.In this episode, I explore how to maintain an honest assessment of capacity while embracing new technology and the problem with chasing every new technological promise. I share my personal experience with AI tools leading to overcommitment, and discuss the importance of using systems like Kanban boards to track capacity objectively.Get full show notes, transcript and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/73

Jun 3, 2025 • 32min
072. The Hidden Dangers of Overcapacity
We don’t talk about overcapacity enough in legal practice, especially not the hidden ways it erodes performance, burns out your team, and stalls your cases. In this episode, I take a closer look at what really happens when you’re operating beyond your firm’s functional capacity. From unnecessary administrative overhead to frustrated clients and cherry-picked tasks, the ripple effects of overload are costing you more than you think. If your firm is feeling stretched, stuck, or constantly in firefighting mode, this episode will help you understand why. Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/72

May 27, 2025 • 59min
071. How Trauma Informed Lawyering Helps Avoid Burnout with Dr. Colin James
The impact of trauma in legal practice extends far beyond individual client interactions. From law school through retirement, lawyers face unique psychological challenges that can fundamentally alter their personalities, relationships, and effectiveness as advocates. Dr. Colin James, author of "Vicarious Trauma and Burnout in Law," brings decades of experience as a senior lecturer of law and researcher to examine how trauma theory applies to legal practice. Through exploring concepts like vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, and post-traumatic growth, this conversation illuminates practical ways that individual practitioners and organizations can build more trauma-informed approaches.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/71For Oregon Attorneys, you can claim CLE credit under the "Mental Health & Substance Abuse" requirement. Just go to yourt Oregon Bar MCLE Dashboard, select "Accredited Group Course," enter MCLE ID 122717 in the search field. For attorneys in other jurisdictions, you may be able to claim CLE credit using the following steps:Check your state’s CLE rules to see if they accept credit from Oregon-accredited programs. Many do, especially for courses taken out of state.Confirm if your jurisdiction allows on-demand (pre-recorded) courses and whether there are any limits or special requirements.Search for the Oregon accreditation info at www.osbar.org using the approved course title (Trauma Informed Lawyering with Dr. Colin James) or the application ID 122717.Document the number and type of credits approved by Oregon (e.g., general, ethics) and whether the course is listed as recorded.Self-report the credit to your state bar using their required process, and retain documentation in case of audit.

May 20, 2025 • 52min
070. Profit First for Lawyers: A Conversation with RJon Robins
Is your law practice truly profitable? Not just cash-flow positive, but actually generating the kind of profit that allows you to serve your clients well, take care of your team, and live the life you want? In this episode, I dive deep into the critical topic of law firm profitability with RJon Robins, founder of How to Manage a Small Law Firm and author of Profit First for Lawyers.We explore why so many lawyers struggle with profitability, how to properly calculate your cost of goods sold, and why understanding the difference between static and dynamic overhead can transform your practice. While RJon and I have different communication styles, we align on the core principle: putting profit first isn't selfish—it's essential for creating a sustainable practice that truly serves everyone involved.Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/70

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May 13, 2025 • 46min
069. Document Automation Secrets for Small Law Firms with Quinten Steenhuis
Quinten Steenhuis, co-director of the Legal Innovation and Technology Lab at Suffolk Law School and owner of Lemma Consulting, shares insights on document automation for small law firms. He discusses the creation of a document assembly line during the pandemic to enhance access to justice. Topics include the importance of user-friendly apps for simplifying legal processes, the role of generative AI in improving document accuracy, and the balance between legal jargon and accessible language. Quinten emphasizes the transformative power of technology in legal practice.

May 6, 2025 • 29min
068. Adaptability by Design: Building Law Practices That Respond to Change
Adaptability is key for legal practices navigating rapid changes in technology and economics. Understanding your mission helps lawyers respond intelligently rather than reactively. The discussion highlights the impact of generative AI on client-centered litigation and the emotional aspects of legal education. Strategies for managing overwhelming demand in law firms include pausing new intakes and improving workflows. Enhancing legal outcomes through clearer communication and innovative revenue models is also explored, promoting sustainability in practice.

Apr 29, 2025 • 45min
067. AI & Legal Writing: How to Use It Effectively with Jonah Perlin
What makes legal writing truly effective? It's not just about knowing the law—it's about knowing how to communicate it. In this episode, I'm joined by Professor Jonah Perlin from Georgetown Law School, where he teaches first-year legal practice and advanced legal writing courses.We explore how the process of putting ideas into words -wrestling with language and structure- is actually the path to stronger analysis and deeper understanding, and the role AI has in effective legal writing. We discuss the importance of feedback in legal education and practice, and how both giving and receiving feedback effectively is a skill that needs to be developed. Get full show notes, transcript, and more information here: https://www.agileattorney.com/67