

In the Shift
Michael Frost
A podcast for when life and faith go off script. Hosted by Michael Frost.
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May 23, 2022 • 1h 28min
The Megachurch Conversation: ”The Creep”
 Episode 60: In this episode, Shane Meyer-Holt and I continue talking about megachurches and toxic church cultures. We focus this conversation on the "creep", which is what happens when things change incrementally over time from the 'mild' toward something really unhealthy, coercive or toxic.  But because this change happens slowly, over time, within a bubble that lacks outside perspective and with justifiable goals and aims, it can be hard to see and difficult to name or address. The 'creep' happens in relation to many aspects of church life, whether it be money, honour, altar calls, spiritual experience, purity culture, growth aspirations and so on. We also talk about how and why this happens, how it is often masked, defended and amplified, and why it's so important for all of us to be able to hear feedback from others about the impact our lives have on theirs. 

May 16, 2022 • 58min
The Megachurch Conversation: Where to from here?
 Episode 59: In this episode Shane and I hit pause on delving into the megachurch playbook to check in and get a sense of where things are up to. We talk about how we've been feeling over the past few weeks as this conversation has unfolded, what feelings have come to the surface, and the different kinds of feedback we are getting. We also talk about what we're hopeful we've been able to do so far, our priority for 'survivors', what this moment could mean for the church, and some of where we think this conversation needs to head next. It's a less intense convo, as we just check in and reflect on the present moment. 
You can get in touch via email: feedback@intheshift.com 

May 9, 2022 • 1h 22min
Another Level Part 4: The Megachurch Playbook
 Episode 58: In this 4th part of our ongoing megachurch conversation, Shane and I look at the origin story of megachurch culture. In other words, why did churches like this begin to emerge in the mid-late 20th and early 21st century? We also explore some of the key beliefs that sit at the heart of the megachurch worldview. We talk about the "who/what" (the "man with the vision"), the "why" (colonisation and empire building), the "how" (a distortion of the sacrificial giving and servant-heartedness motifs in scripture), and the "payoff" (God will bless you if you serve this vision). We also explore the origins of the prosperity gospel, and just generally tell a bunch more stories. 
As always, you can get in touch via: feedback@intheshift.com 

May 2, 2022 • 1h 12min
Another Level Part 3: The Megachurch Playbook
 This podcast discusses the toxic culture of megachurches, including manipulation tactics like plausible deniability. It explores the pressure for constant growth and the negative impact of toxic positivity and burnout. The podcast also delves into the controlled narrative of the church, comparing it to a casino, and emphasizes the importance of understanding the complexities of life. 

Apr 25, 2022 • 1h 16min
Another Level Part 2: The Megachurch Playbook
 Discussion about disturbing stories from megachurches, examining explicit and implicit coercion, the role of fear and power of the charismatic ego. Debate about defending the church, unity vs. diversity, manipulation and coercion in religious spaces, allure of gaming, and the dangers of unchecked power and corrupt behavior in religious leaders. 

Apr 20, 2022 • 1h 14min
Another Level Part 1: The Megachurch Playbook
 Episode 55: This episode is the first in a series of conversations between myself and Shane Meyer-Holt (who you may remember from way back in episode 3) as we respond to some of the deeply concerning stories emerging from megachurches in recent weeks and months. There are common themes found in the experiences of those who have suffered under the weight of pressure, expectation, bullying, harassment and abuse of power within these systems.
Shane and I have been talking about this for more than a decade, having met while in the process of trying to extricate ourselves from the problematic church structures we had been deeply immersed in since our teenage years. Since then we have both explored very different ways of engaging in faith communities and ‘leadership’. But we have also continued to reflect on those things that make megachurches (or those following that model) so potent and effective. Effective at both the glories of success and growth but also at leaving a trail of pain and trauma - while managing to keep that suffering largely silent and under the radar (until now).
This is the beginning of our processing ‘out loud’ on these issues, dealing with themes that have in many ways been woven through the In the Shift podcast from the very beginning. If you want to get in touch to offer comment, question, story, insight, or to seek a bit of solidarity and support, you can get in touch with Shane and I via: feedback@intheshift.com 

Mar 23, 2022 • 1h 11min
Critical Conversations: On misogyny and abuse of power - with Dr Jeff Crabtree
 Episode 54:  A conversation with Dr Jeff Crabtree discussing his research into abuse of power, sexual harassment and misogyny in the music industry in Australia and New Zealand. We explore what his research uncovers, talk about the complexities of power imbalance (it's not only about roles and titles), and how powerful men often abuse their power over others, especially women. Jeff also has a history in the church and so we discuss how similar power dynamics can play out within church organisations, as well as other social networks, organisations and institutions. As a discussion between two men on this topic, this is only part of the conversation that must be had but we hope its a helpful contribution. 

Jan 31, 2022 • 1h 6min
Christians Against Christianity - with Dr Obery Hendricks
 Dr Obery Hendricks, foremost commentator and influential African American biblical scholar, discusses his book 'Christians Against Christianity' in a challenging and insightful conversation. Topics include the influence of money, power, and race on American Evangelicalism, the importance of social justice in the biblical narrative, the true meaning of salvation, homophobia in the church, the problematic link between capitalism and Christianity. 

Dec 15, 2021 • 43min
Shift Happens
 Episode 52: In this episode we look at what happens when faith and belief get stuck in concrete, when they get locked in and locked down, and we’re unable to adapt, change, innovate, rethink, deconstruct and reimagine. And this concrete kind of faith often stems from a very concrete view of God, and can lead us to narrow and suffocating ways of seeing ourselves and the world, which in turn leads us to ethical approaches that can be very harmful for people. And then we talk about dynamism, relationality, innovation and fluidity. Faith and belief that is connected to the past but is also able to embrace the shift, it is dynamic and responsive in the present, and open to the future.  

Nov 4, 2021 • 41min
Blinded by the ”truth”
 Episode 51: In this episode we explore how the narrative arc of contemporary Christian faith can foster an unfounded confidence (and arrogance), a blindness to truths from outside of the system, and even authoritarianism and wild conspiracies. This can happen when we feel we're in on something special, something true that the 'world' won't understand, and when faith is centred on believing these truths that we've found regardless of the evidence. But while modern Christianity can often define itself as "getting in by believing the right things", Jesus seems intent on blowing up that form of religion and instead pointing us outward toward others. 


