

The Health Foundation podcast
The Health Foundation
Interviews with experts and high-profile guests discussing the most important issues affecting the future of health and care for people in the UK.
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Nov 27, 2023 • 33min
38: Keeping up with AI in health care: what we need to do next
The podcast discusses the potential of AI in healthcare, including personalized treatment advice and automated systems. It addresses the challenges and risks associated with AI, such as public interest, inclusion, cost, accountability, autonomy, and privacy. Expert guests cover topics like ethical frameworks, regulatory landscapes in Switzerland, public engagement, safety, inclusivity, government intervention, and implications of AI in healthcare like addressing inequalities, legal accountability, safety concerns, and the NHS's incorporation of AI.

Oct 20, 2023 • 35min
37: What do the main political parties really have in store for health? – with Rachel Wolf and Stephen Bush
A general election is expected in 2024 and no party can ignore the NHS − but what do they plan to do on health?
The health service regularly tops voter concerns, consumes a growing share of public spending and features daily in the media. The health of the nation is also moving up the agenda, with ill health the main reason why 2.6 million working-age people are economically inactive.
So what are the main parties planning as we move towards an election and have the party conferences revealed anything new?
To discuss, our Chief Executive Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Rachel Wolf, Partner at Public First, a consultancy specialising in public policy, public opinion and campaign strategy.
Stephen Bush, Associate Editor and Columnist at the Financial Times.
Show notes
The Health Foundation (2023). Health in 2040: projected patterns of illness in England.
The Health Foundation (2023). Public perceptions of health and social care: what are the priorities ahead of a general election?
The Health Foundation (2023). What should be at the top of the political agenda for health and care?
The Health Foundation (2023). Health Foundation responds to the Prime Minister’s announcement of smoke-free measures.
The Health Foundation (2023). Social health insurance: be careful what you wish for.
Institute for Government (2023). The NHS productivity puzzle: why has hospital activity not increased in line with funding and staffing?
The Times. Tories as the party of change: that’s a hard sell (2023).
Ipsos. Ipsos issues tracker: July 2023 (2023).

Sep 29, 2023 • 38min
36: Going private: what’s happening and is it a bad thing? – with Sarah Neville and Hettie O’Brien
A record 7.7 million people are now waiting for elective care in England. With so many waiting for NHS care, polls show deep public concern over access to health services and many considering going private.
Meantime policymakers are exploring how the independent sector can help get waiting lists down, and private equity investors are making moves in the independent health care provider market.
So does this mean we’re slowly sliding towards a mixed model of health care in this country? And if so, is it a good thing or should we be worried?
To discuss, our Chief Executive Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Sarah Neville, Global Health Editor at the Financial Times.
Hettie O'Brien, Assistant Editor at the Guardian and currently researching a book investigating the role of private equity in the contemporary economy and public services.
Show notes
The Health Foundation (2023). Waiting for NHS hospital care: the role of the independent sector in delivering orthopaedic and ophthalmic care.
The Health Foundation (2023). How the public views the NHS at 75.
The Health Foundation (2022). Waiting for NHS hospital care: the role of the independent sector.
BMJ (2023). Private providers see surge in demand as PM blames long NHS waiting lists on strikes.
PHIN (2023). PHIN Private market update: September 2023.
BMJ (2023). Evaluating trends in private equity ownership and impacts on health outcomes, costs, and quality: systematic review.
NBER (2023). Owner Incentives and Performance in Healthcare: Private Equity Investment in Nursing Homes.
The Guardian (2023). Private equity has its sights on the NHS – and with it our faith in public services altogether.
The Financial Times (2023). Private equity groups bet on UK healthcare as NHS waiting lists grow.

Sep 8, 2023 • 33min
35: Our health in 2040: are we getting sicker? – with Jeanelle de Gruchy and Kevin Fenton
Whatever we are doing on health, it isn't enough to prepare for the wave of morbidity that is clearly in sight.
Recent Health Foundation modelling estimates 1 in 5 will be living with major illness by 2040, mostly because more of us will be older. But it's not just about age. A record 2.5 million working-age people are already not in work due to ill health. So what can be done to improve the state of nation’s health?
To discuss, our Chief Executive Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Jeanelle de Gruchy, Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England and lead for the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities at the Department of Health and Social Care.
Kevin Fenton, President of the UK Faculty of Public Health.
Show notes
The Health Foundation (2023). Health in 2040: projected patterns of illness in England.
UK government (2023). Major conditions strategy: case for change and our strategic framework.
ONS. Rising ill-health and economic inactivity because of long-term sickness, UK: 2019 to 2023.
The Health Foundation (2022). Addressing the leading risk factors for ill health.
The Health Foundation (2022). Is poor health driving a rise in economic inactivity?
The Health Foundation (2022). Health is wealth? Strengthening the UK’s immune system.
UK government (2021). Chief Medical Officer’s annual report 2021: health in coastal communities.

Jul 28, 2023 • 39min
34: NHS at 75: The huge promise of technology – with Navina Evans and Penny Pereira
In our series marking the NHS’s 75th birthday, we’ve been setting out the big challenges and opportunities ahead for the health service.
In this third and final installment, we ask how the potential of technology might be unlocked to benefit patients, the public, staff and the taxpayer. We also share initial reflections on the recently published NHS Long Term Workforce Plan.
To discuss, our Chief Executive Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Navina Evans, Chief Workforce Training and Education Officer at NHS England. Navina is a doctor and a specialist in psychiatry, and was involved in the new NHS Long Term Workforce Plan.
Penny Pereira, Q Managing Director here at the Health Foundation. Penny is an expert in process and system redesign and health care, having worked in these areas for many years, both at the Foundation and previously within the NHS.
Show notes
The Health Foundation (2020). Understanding and sustaining the health care service shifts accelerated by COVID-19.
The Health Foundation (2021). Securing a positive health care technology legacy from COVID-19.
The Health Foundation (2023). Five principles for implementing the NHS Impact approach to improvement in England.
NHS England (2023). NHS Long Term Workforce Plan.

Jun 29, 2023 • 32min
33: NHS at 75: Is political leadership up to the challenge? – with Alan Milburn and Stephen Dorrell
As we approach the NHS’s 75th birthday in July, we’re releasing a series of three podcast episodes setting out the big questions facing the health service.
This second episode explores the role of political leadership in addressing the big challenges in health care, whether political leadership is up to the task of getting the NHS to its 100th anniversary – and if not, how could it improve?
To discuss, our chief executive Dr Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Alan Milburn, Labour MP for nearly 20 years to 2010. During the Blair government, Alan held a number of ministerial roles including Secretary of State for Health from 1999 to 2003. Alan currently serves as chair of the Social Mobility Foundation and Chancellor of Lancaster University.
Stephen Dorrell, Conservative MP for over three decades to 2015. Stephen served as Secretary of State for Health from 1995 until the 1997 general election, and as chair of the House of Commons Health Select Committee from 2010 to 2014. Since leaving parliament, Stephen spent time as chair of NHS Confederation, and joined the Liberal Democrats.
Show notes
Institute for Government (2019) Becoming secretary of state
The Health Foundation (2020) Glaziers and window breakers: former health secretaries in their own words
The Health Foundation (2021) The most expensive breakfast in history

May 31, 2023 • 36min
32: NHS at 75: What are we up against? – with Professor Jagjit Chadha and Anita Charlesworth
The fact the NHS survives by a kind of miracle is one of its endearing British features – so said former health secretary, Kenneth Clarke. Well, can that miracle continue?
As we approach the NHS’s 75th birthday in July, we’re launching a series of three podcast episodes setting out the big questions facing the health service. This first episode explores current pressures on the NHS, economy and wider society and what the future might hold.
What are the questions that policymakers may face as the population’s health and care needs change over the coming decade? How can the UK economy power the investment needed for health services to survive and thrive? And how can more long-term thinking help to foster good health and economic productivity?
To discuss, our chief executive Dr Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Professor Jagjit Chadha, Director of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research and chair of the UK Productivity Commission
Anita Charlesworth, Director of Research and the REAL Centre at the Health Foundation.
Show notes
NIESR (2023). UK economic outlook – Spring 2023
Chadha (2023). ‘Commentary: fixing the mix’. National Institute Economic Review.
Office for National Statistics (2022) National population projections
Health Foundation (2022). How many hospital beds will the NHS need over the coming decade?
Health Foundation (2022). How does UK health spending compare across Europe over the past decade?
Health Foundation (2022). NHS workforce projections 2022
Health Foundation (2022). Health is wealth? Strengthening the UK’s immune system

May 8, 2023 • 34min
31: How chronic stress weathers our health – with Dr Michelle Kelly-Irving and Professor Nish Chaturvedi
How healthy we are in part depends on the many different exposures we've had over our life – including to physical, psychological and social factors.
Chronic exposure to psychosocial stress – for example, poverty or other disadvantage – leads to prolonged strain on the body. This weathering can make us physically ill before our time and prematurely age us.
So what is psychosocial stress, how does it harm our health and what can be done about it?
To discuss, our chief executive Dr Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Dr Michelle Kelly-Irving, a life course epidemiologist working on health inequalities and the social determinants of health. Michelle is a director at Inserm in Toulouse, part of France's National Institute of Health and Medical Research.
Professor Nish Chaturvedi, Professor of Clinical Epidemiology at University College London and Director of the Medical Research Council Unit for Lifelong Health and Ageing.
Show notes
Kelly-Irving (2019). Allostatic load: how stress in childhood affects health outcomes. The Health Foundation.
Gustafsson et al (2011). ‘Socioeconomic status over the life course and allostatic load in adulthood: results from the Northern Swedish Cohort.’ Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. 65: 986-992.
Guidi et al (2021). ‘Allostatic load and its impact on health: a systematic review.’ Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics. 90: 11-27.
McEwen & Stellar (1993). ‘Stress and the individual – mechanisms leading to disease’. Archives of Internal Medicine.153: 2093-2101
Tampubolon & Maharani (2018). ‘Trajectories of allostatic load among older American and Britons: longitudinal cohort studies.’ BMC Geriatrics. 255.

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Mar 24, 2023 • 34min
30: AI in health care: hope or hype? With Professor Sir John Bell and Dr Axel Heitmueller
News of artificial intelligence (AI) is everywhere. We seem to be on the cusp of a revolution in how the latest AI models will change our lives – and health and care could be at the centre of those changes.
AI will transform medicine, AI will allow doctorless screening and personalised prevention, AI will boost productivity, AI will make thousands of jobs redundant – so go all the claims.
But is this hype or real hope? How will AI transform health and care services and the experiences of staff and patients? What’s been the progress so far? And how best to move forward safely? And with growing demand, staff shortages and a public spending squeeze, could AI be a key answer to sustaining the NHS itself?
To discuss, our chief executive Dr Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Professor Sir John Bell, Regius Professor of Medicine at the University of Oxford and an adviser to the government on life sciences strategy, and to Sir Patrick Vallance’s current review of how to regulate emerging technologies.
Dr Axel Heitmueller, Managing Director of Imperial College Health Partners. Axel has also worked as a senior analyst in the Cabinet Officer and Number 10 Downing Street.
Show notes
European Parliamentary Research Services (2022) AI in healthcare: applications, risks and ethical and societal impacts
Health Education England (2022) AI Roadmap: methodology and findings report
Health Education England (2019) The Topol Review: Preparing the healthcare workforce to deliver the digital future
The Health Foundation (2021) Switched on: how do we get the best out of automation and AI in health care?
HM Government (2021) National AI Strategy
HM Government (2018) Artificial intelligence sector deal
HM Government (2017) Industrial Strategy: Building a Britain fit for the future

Mar 8, 2023 • 35min
29: International Women’s Day: Voices in health care – with Dame Jane Dacre, Dr Nikita Kanani and Dr Gabrielle Mathews
Today, women make up around half of all doctors and two-thirds of all medical students. So, has equality in health care finally been achieved?
When International Women’s Day began in 1909, women were still barred from entering medical school. Today women make up a growing share of the medical workforce and students in the UK. Despite this considerable progress, research indicates that today women in health care are under-represented in leadership roles, are paid less than male colleagues on average, and still all too often encounter sexism and discrimination.
To mark International Women’s Day 2023, we invited three female leaders at different stages of their careers in health care to reflect on the expectations, experiences and challenges that have shaped their professional journeys and what needs to happen to continue building a truly inclusive workforce.
To discuss, our chief executive Dr Jennifer Dixon is joined by:
Dame Jane Dacre, emeritus professor at UCL Medical School, chair of the Health and Social Care Select Committee’s expert panel and former president of the Royal College of Physicians
Dr Nikita Kanani, director of clinical integration at NHS England and deputy senior responsible officer for the NHS COVID-19 vaccination programme and a GP in south east London
Dr Gabrielle Mathews, NHS Assembly Member (NHS England) and a doctor at North Middlesex University Hospital NHS Trust.
Show notes
World Health Organisation (2019) Gender equity in the health workforce
World Health Organisation (2019) Delivered by women, led by men: A gender equity analysis of the global health and social workforce
British Medical Association (2021) Sexism in medicine
General Medical Council (2022) The state of medical education and practice in the UK: the workforce report
Royal College of Physicians (2009) Women and medicine: the future
The Nuffield Trust (2018) The gender pay gap in the English NHS
Institute for Fiscal Studies (2023) Progress of parents in NHS medical and nursing careers
Dacre et al (2020) Independent review into gender pay gaps in medicine