
Democracy Paradox
Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.
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Oct 12, 2021 • 51min
Robert Meister Believes Justice is an Option
So, now I've developed a way of talking about revolution as an option that can't be exercised, but that still has present value and I've set up a mechanism for saying what that present value is. Namely the value of the liquidity premium that a democracy that consents to maintaining accumulated wealth can extract for guaranteeing that the wealth continues to accumulate.Robert MeisterA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Justice is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century here.Robert Meister is the author of the new book Justice is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century and a Professor of Social and Political Thought in the History of Consciousness Department at the University of California Santa Cruz.Key Highlights IncludeWhat is historical justice?An overview of financial termsHow is justice an option?Is capitalism compatible with justice?Will historical justice happen or is it just an option?Key LinksJustice Is an Option: A Democratic Theory of Finance for the Twenty-First Century by Robert MeisterA Theory of Justice by John RawlsSpheres of Justice by Michael WalzerDemocracy Paradox PodcastSheryl WuDunn Paints a Picture of Poverty in America and Offers Hope for SolutionsJacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican PartyMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Oct 5, 2021 • 55min
Martin Conway Believes "Democracy Owes its Durability Not to its Principles but to its Flexibility." Democracy in Western Europe from 1945 to 1968
Where you and I and, I think, many others start from an assumption that somehow there is a thing called democracy and we sort of know what it is. But the diversity within democracy is far larger than that. You know, there's clear big institutional temperamental differences between visions of representatives ruling, people ruling, and so on. All these sorts of things are different models of democracy and therefore the word democracy in some respects becomes rather meaningless.Martin ConwayA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Western Europe’s Democratic Age: 1945—1968 here.Martin Conway is the author of the new book Western Europe’s Democratic Age: 1945—1968 and a Professor of Contemporary European History at the University of Oxford.Key Highlights IncludeWhy Democracy Became Part of Western Europe's IdentityHow Democracy was a Process of Continual NegotiationThe Distinct Characteristics of Democracy in Western EuropeAn Account of the Transition from the Fourth to the Fifth Republic in FranceLessons for Democracy Today from Western Europe's PastKey LinksWestern Europe's Democratic Age: 1945-1968 by Martin ConwayLearn more about Martin Conway at Balliol College at the University of OxfordDemocracy and Dictatorship in Europe by Sheri BermanDemocracy Paradox PodcastKurt Weyland Distinguishes Between Fascism and AuthoritarianismMichael Hughes on the History of Democracy in GermanyMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Sep 28, 2021 • 51min
Donald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic Constitutions
The most beautiful thing that happened in Indonesia, by the way, which was a polarized society along religious lines more than anything else, was that by the end of the proceedings, everybody knew what everybody else's problems were, what everyone else's constituencies wanted. They knew if X noticed that Y was making a demand, before long X figured out what was behind the demand and why Y had to make it and whether it was a real demand or whether it was made just for the sake of being on record.Donald HorowitzA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Constitutional Processes and Democratic Commitment here.Donald Horowitz is the James B. Duke Professor of Law and Political Science Emeritus at Duke University. Key Highlights IncludeAccounts of constitutional formation in Tunisia, Indonesia, and MalaysiaThe role of consensusThe challenges of negotiated constitutionsThe need for an inclusive processWhy citizen participation is not always beneficialKey LinksConstitutional Processes and Democratic Commitment by Donald Horowitz"Ethnic Power Sharing: Three Big Problems" by Donald Horowitz in the Journal of DemocracyReconsidering Democratic Transitions Francis Fukuyama, Donald Horowitz, Larry Diamond on YouTubeDemocracy Paradox PodcastAldo Madariaga on Neoliberalism, Democratic Deficits, and ChileHélène Landemore on Democracy without ElectionsMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Sep 21, 2021 • 55min
Guillermo Trejo and Sandra Ley on the Political Logic of Criminal Wars in Mexico
Up to today, since the Mexican government deployed the military in 2006 up to the present, Mexico has experienced close to 200,000 battle deaths. That's roughly the number of battle deaths that took place in the civil war in Guatemala. So, the 36 year old civil war in Guatemala that produced approximately 200,000 battle deaths. That's where Mexico is right now.Guillermo TrejoA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on Mexican politics here.Guillermo Trejo is an Associate Professor at the University of Notre Dame. Sandra Ley is an Assistant Professor at CIDE’s Political Studies Division in Mexico City. They are the authors of Votes, Drugs, and Violence: The Political Logic of Criminal Wars in Mexico. Key Highlights IncludeA vivid description of the effects of the criminal wars in MexicoHow autocracy allows for the proliferation of organized crimeWhy Mexico remains an 'illiberal democracy'How polarization exacerbated criminal violence in MexicoThe importance of deeper degrees of democratizationKey LinksVotes, Drugs, and Violence: The Political Logic of Criminal Wars in Mexico by Guillermo Trejo and Sandra LeyFollow Guillermo Trejo on Twitter @Gtrejo29Follow Sandra Ley on Twitter @sjleygDemocracy Paradox PodcastMichael Miller on the Unexpected Paths to DemocratizationJames Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in DemocraciesMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on Democracy Learn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Sep 14, 2021 • 51min
Rana Siu Inboden on China and the International Human Rights Regime
Chinese participation in the human rights regime probably was never really intended to alter human rights so much in China that it would jeopardize the Chinese Communist Party’s hold on power. I think China, even if it may have been open to some areas of human rights, I think that we have to keep in mind that the full implementation of human rights including all of the elements of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights would mean that political competition is allowed. And that's just not something I see the current Chinese regime allowing.Rana Siu InbodenA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on the human rights regime here.Rana Siu Inboden is a senior fellow with the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law at the University of Texas–Austin. Her new book is China and the International Human Rights Regime: 1982-2017.Key Highlights IncludeWhat is the Human Rights RegimeChina's Participation in the Human Rights RegimeHow Tiananmen Changed China's View on Human RightsWhat is the Like Minded GroupHow China Views Human RightsKey LinksChina and the International Human Rights Regime: 1982-2017 by Rana Siu InbodenChina at the UN: Choking Civil Society by Rana Siu Inboden in Journal of DemocracyUnited Nations Human Rights CouncilRelated ContentMareike Ohlberg on the Global Influence of the Chinese Communist PartyXiaoyu Pu on China's Global IdentitiesMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Sep 7, 2021 • 49min
Timothy Frye Says Putin is a Weak Strongman
Putin in the past could claim to have won at least an honest plurality, if not an honest majority of votes given his approval. However, in the upcoming election this fall, in September, it looks like the Kremlin has so restricted political competition that it's going to be a difficult sell to the Russian public to show that these elections are even as legitimate as the elections held in 2016 or in 2011.Timothy FryeA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on personalism here.Timothy Frye is a Professor of Post-Soviet Foreign Policy at Columbia University and a research director at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.Key Highlights IncludeIs Putin's popularity real?Why Russia holds elections at allDescription of Russia as a personalist autocracyHow autocracy shapes Russia's foreign policyWhat are the prospects for democratization in RussiaKey LinksWeak Strongman: The Limits of Power in Putin's Russia by Timothy FryeRussia's Weak Strongman: The Perilous Bargains That Keep Putin in Power by Timothy Frye in Foreign AffairsFollow Timothy Frye on Twitter @timothymfryeRelated ContentKathryn Stoner on Russia's Economy, Politics, and Foreign PolicyFreedom House: Sarah Repucci Assesses Freedom in the WorldMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Aug 31, 2021 • 39min
Kathryn Stoner on Russia's Economy, Politics, and Foreign Policy
Biden's current policy is, you know, we want Putin to calm down, be stable for awhile and turn our focus to restraining China. I don't think that's going to happen. That's not in his interest to do that. So, I think taking our eye off Russia, underestimating it, is the biggest concern for the U.S. currently.Kathryn StonerA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on Russia here.Kathryn Stoner is a professor of political science at Stanford University. Her new book is Russia Resurrected: Its Power and Purpose in a New Global Order.Key Highlights IncludeA description of Russia's economyAn account of Russia's military reformsWhy Russia is in the Middle EastExplanation of Russia's foreign policyIs a resurrected Russia a danger to the West?Key LinksRussia Resurrected: Its Power and Purpose in a New Global Order by Kathryn StonerThe Freeman Spogli Institute For International StudiesFollow Kathryn Stoner on Twitter @kath_stonerRelated ContentTimothy Frye Says Putin is a Weak StrongmanBryn Rosenfeld on Middle Class Support for Dictators in Autocratic RegimesMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on Democracy Learn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Aug 24, 2021 • 46min
Karen Greenberg on the War on Terror, Donald Trump, and American Democracy
It was an era in which lawmakers and office holders learned that imprecision could actually work to their benefit to allow them to do what they wanted to because there was unclear codification in the law. And so yes, everybody talks about, we have to revise this law or get rid of this law or replace this law. But I want to say, it's not about that. It's about what constitutes a legitimately written, voted upon law. And I think that's something we still haven't countered since 9/11.Karen GreenbergA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on the War on Terror here.Karen Greenberg is the director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law, a fellow at New America, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Her new book is Subtle Tools: The Dismantling of American Democracy from the War on Terror to Donald Trump.Key Highlights IncludeThe origin of the AUMF and the Department of Homeland SecurityKaren Greenberg describes the subtle toolsThe link between the War on Terror and President TrumpHow will history view the 2020 electionIs the United States an illiberal democracy?Key LinksSubtle Tools: The Dismantling of American Democracy from the War on Terror to Donald Trump by Karen GreenbergVital Interests Podcast with Karen GreenbergFollow Karen Greenberg on Twitter @KarenGreenberg3Related ContentCharles Kupchan on America's Tradition of IsolationismCan America Preserve Democracy without Retreating from it? Robert C. Lieberman on the Four ThreatsMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Aug 17, 2021 • 52min
Charles Kupchan on America's Tradition of Isolationism
Beginning in the 1990s, and then really picking up after 9/11, the United States overreached ideologically by thinking it could turn Iraq and Afghanistan into Ohio. It overreached economically by throwing open the nation's doors and saying the more trade, the better. And suddenly, I think, Americans said to themselves and to their leaders, ‘Wait a minute. Too much world, not enough America.'Charles KupchanA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on Isolationism here.Charles Kupchan is a professor of international relations at Georgetown University and a Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. He is also the author of Isolationism: A History of America's Efforts to Shield Itself from the World.Key Highlights IncludeIsolationism's Place in America's National IdentityThe Relationship Between Isolationism and American ExceptionalismA Brief History of Isolationism in the United StatesSimilarities Between the Rise of China and the Early United StatesDonald Trump and the Reemergence of IsolationismKey LinksIsolationism: A History of America's Efforts to Shield Itself from the World by Charles KupchanLearn more about Charles Kupchan"The Home Front: Why an Internationalist Foreign Policy Needs a Stronger Domestic Foundation" an article by Charles Kupchan in Foreign AffairsRelated ContentJohn Ikenberry on Liberal InternationalismAlexander Cooley and Daniel Nexon on the End of American HegemonyMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Aug 10, 2021 • 46min
Aldo Madariaga on Neoliberalism, Democratic Deficits, and Chile
It's not just inequality of wealth. It is not just inequality of income, which is big. It's also inequality in terms of the geographical clustering of different strata of the population, of different people. It's inequality in life experiences. It's inequality in treatment. People felt mistreated by those in the upper echelons of society. So, it's not just money. It's also access to public goods, to certain spaces in the city, to education, unemployment benefits, and all sorts of things. But also, treatment.Aldo MadariagaA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a brief primer on Neoliberalism here.Aldo Madariaga is a Professor of Political Science at Universidad Diego Portales, and Associate Researcher at Center for Social Conflict and Cohesion Studies (COES). He is also the author of Neoliberal Resilience: Lessons in Democracy and Development from Latin America and Eastern Europe.Key Highlights IncludeAn Account of the Chilean Protests in 2019Description of Neoliberalism as a Political ProjectThe Role of the State in NeoliberalismHow does Neoliberalism Shield its Policies from DemocracyAre Neoliberal Policies Fundamentally Undemocratic?Key LinksNeoliberal Resilience: Lessons in Democracy and Development from Latin America and Eastern Europe by Aldo MadariagaLearn more about Aldo MadariagaFollow on Twitter @AldoMadariagaRelated ContentJames Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in DemocraciesJacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican PartyMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
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