
Democracy Paradox
Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.
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Dec 21, 2021 • 54min
Zeynep Pamuk on the Role of Science and Expertise in a Democracy
Science is never offering the whole truth. It may be offering us something accurate. Scientific findings may be reliable for now, but they are always incomplete.Zeynep PamukA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society here.Zeynep Pamuk is an assistant professor of political science at the University of California, San Diego and the author of the book Politics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society.Key HighlightsWhy is there a tension between science and democracyThe limits of science for public policyThe Proposal for a Science CourtWays to provide greater democratic involvement in scientific fundingHow have experts performed in the pandemicKey LinksPolitics and Expertise: How to Use Science in a Democratic Society by Zeynep PamukLearn more about Zeynep Pamuk at scholar.harvard.edu/zpamukRead Zeynep Pamuk's article "The Contours of Ignorance," in Boston ReviewRelated ContentSusan Rose-Ackerman on the Role of the Executive in Four Different DemocraciesChris Bickerton Defines TechnopopulismMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Dec 14, 2021 • 51min
Caitlin Andrews-Lee on Charismatic Movements and Personalist Leaders
Charismatic leaders who are intent on governing solely using their charismatic authority and subverting other things to their personal power are inherently bad for democracy and inherently illiberal. They're anti-pluralist. They don't want to share their power with others even within their own movement or their own party. They don't tolerate dissent.Caitlin Andrews-LeeA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of The Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo here.Caitlin Andrews-Lee is an Assistant Professor in Ryerson University’s Department of Politics and Public Administration. She is the author of the book, The Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo.Key HighlightsA profile on Juan Perón, the prototypical charismatic leaderWhy has Peronism survived its founder?Why do the anointed successors of charismatic leaders fail?How do new personalist leaders arise out of charismatic movements?Is Donald Trump a harbinger of future charismatic leaders or was he an historical aberration?Key LinksThe Emergence and Revival of Charismatic Movements: Argentine Peronism and Venezuelan Chavismo by Caitlin Andrews-LeeLearn more about Caitlin Andrews-Lee at www.caitlinandrewslee.comFollow Caitlin Andrews-Lee on Twitter @caitlineandrewsRelated ContentStephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic BackslidingJames Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in DemocraciesMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Dec 7, 2021 • 46min
Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman on Democratic Backsliding
The way we conceive of democracy is being challenged by these regimes and, by that I mean, because the process of backsliding is so incremental, it's difficult to see where these boundaries are.Stephan HaggardA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Backsliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World here.Stephan Haggard and Robert Kaufman are the authors of the new book, Backsliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World. Stephan is the Lawrence and Sallye Krause Distinguished Professor at the School of Global Policy and Strategy at the University of California, San Diego. Robert Kaufman is a distinguished professor of political science at Rutgers University. Key HighlightsDescribes democratic backslidingHow polarization contributes to backslidingThe role of legislatures in backsliding episodesWhat it means when authoritarians "reform" judiciariesHow can citizens reverse democratic backsliding?Key LinksBacksliding: Democratic Regress in the Contemporary World by Stephan Haggard and Robert KaufmanLearn more about Stephan Haggard at www.stephanhaggard.comLearn more about Robert Kaufman at https://fas-polisci.rutgers.edu/kaufman/ Related ContentFreedom House: Sarah Repucci Assesses Freedom in the WorldThomas Carothers and Andrew O’Donohue are Worried About Severe PolarizationMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Nov 30, 2021 • 50min
Joshua Yaffa on Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia
‘What would you prefer? Would you prefer that this boy, Vasya, die because he couldn't get dialysis? Would you prefer that this girl, Katya, die from her shrapnel wounds that she suffered during the war that was obviously not her fault? Right? Like would it be better if I held my nose and refuse to engage in these compromises so these kids died? Would you be sort of happier, so you could write about how awful the bloody Putin regime is?’Joshua Yaffa explaining the perspective of Russian humanitarian Elizaveta GlinkaA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia here.Joshua Yaffa joins the podcast to discuss his new book Between Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia. He is a correspondent for The New Yorker based primarily in Moscow, Russia.Key HighlightsWho was Dr. Liza?The types of compromises must Russians make with the state to pursue their dreamsThe role of the Russian state in the arts through the story of theater director Kirill SerebrennikovLegal challenges for business owners in Russia through the experience of zookeeper Oleg ZubkovThe limited space for human rights activism in Chechnya through the experience of Heda SaratovaKey LinksBetween Two Fires: Truth, Ambition, and Compromise in Putin's Russia by Joshua YaffaLearn more about Joshua Yaffa at www.joshuayaffa.com.Follow Joshua Yaffa on Twitter @yaffaesqueRelated ContentTimothy Frye Says Putin is a Weak StrongmanBryn Rosenfeld on Middle Class Support for Dictators in Autocratic RegimesMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Nov 23, 2021 • 53min
Zoltan Barany on the Ineffectiveness of the Gulf Militaries
The last time, and luckily this hasn't really happened since 1990, there was minimal resistance from the Kuwaiti and the Saudi forces. So, this obviously is 30 years ago, but there is little reason to believe that in spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars that is spent on armaments, this state of affairs has changed. Let me just put it this way. Nobody in Tehran is losing any sleep over the prowess of any of the Gulf militaries.Zoltan BaranyA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf here.Zoltan Barany is the Frank C. Erwin, Jr. Centennial Professor of Government at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf. Key HighlightsWhat should be expected of the militaries of the Gulf countries?Would the Gulf countries be threatened without the American security guarantee?What types of military investments do the Gulf countries make?What has the Yemeni War taught us about armies of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries?How does the leadership of MBS differ from MBZ?Key LinksArmies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf by Zoltan BaranyRobert Strauss Center For International Security and LawCenter for Strategic & International StudiesDemocracy Paradox PodcastDaniel Brinks on the Politics of Institutional WeaknessElizabeth Nugent on Polarization, Democratization and the Arab SpringMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Nov 16, 2021 • 54min
Amory Gethin on Political Cleavages, Inequality, and Party Systems in 50 Democracies
Indeed, the moderation of left-wing party’s economic policy proposals in the eighties and in the nineties and the decision to promote an unregulated capitalism with no kind of proper compensation and no tax harmonization leading to greater offshore wealth and rising inequality. All these decisions have played a role in leading the working class to take distance from these parties and, at the same time, enabling these new issues to take a growing importance.Amory GethinA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities: A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020 here.Amory Gethin is a PhD candidate at the Paris School of Economics and a research fellow at the world Inequality Lab. He is a coeditor (along with Clara Martinez-Toledano and Thomas Piketty) of Political Cleavages and Social Inequalities: A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020.Key Highlights IncludeWhy have multi-elite party systems emerged in Western democracies?Describes the divide between the "Brahmin Left" and "Merchant Right"How do party systems differ between Western and Non-Western democracies?Descriptions of party systems in India, Eastern Europe, and BrazilWhy have party systems changed?Key LinksPolitical Cleavages and Social Inequalities. A Study of 50 Democracies, 1948-2020 edited by Amory Gethin, Clara Martinez-Toledano and Thomas PikettyFollow Amory Gethin on Twitter @amorygethinLearn more about Amory Gethin at his personal websiteDemocracy Paradox PodcastJames Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in DemocraciesJacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican PartyMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Nov 9, 2021 • 54min
Daniel Brinks on the Politics of Institutional Weakness
We don't think about institutions until they fail and we think of institutions as being really strong when maybe they've never been challenged. They've never really tried to do anything.Daniel BrinksA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of The Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America here.Daniel Brinks joins the podcast to discuss his new book The Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America. He is the coeditor along with Steven Levitsky and María Victoria Murillo. Dan is a professor of Government and of Law at the University of Texas at Austin and a Senior Researcher & Global Scholar of the Centre on Law and Social Transformation.Key HighlightsWhat is institutional weakness?How does it differ from state capacity?How does civil society affect political institutions?What is the role of constitutions?How do Presidential systems affect other political institutions?Key LinksThe Politics of Institutional Weakness in Latin America edited by Daniel M. Brinks, Steven Levitsky, and María Victoria MurilloDepartment of Government at The University of Texas at Austin where Daniel Brinks teachesCentre of Law and Social Transformation at the Christian Michelsen Institute in Norway where Daniel Brinks is a Senior Researcher & Global ScholarRelated ContentDonald Horowitz on the Formation of Democratic ConstitutionsWilliam G. Howell and Terry M. Moe on the PresidencyMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Nov 2, 2021 • 51min
Elizabeth Perry and Grzegorz Ekiert on State-Mobilized Movements
What we are doing in this volume is blurring the boundaries between this older conception of top-down mobilized movements and this newer conception of bottom-up organic, spontaneous civil society propelled movements and discovering that there's an awful lot in the middle there.Elizabeth PerryA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements here.Elizabeth Perry and Grzegorz Ekiert join the podcast to discuss their new book Ruling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements (coedited with Xiaojun Yan). Elizabeth is the Henry Rosovsky Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of the Harvard-Yenching Institute. Grzegorz is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of Government at Harvard University and Director of Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies.Key HighlightsWhat are state-mobilized movements?Why do authoritarian regimes mobilize supporters?The role of violence in state-mobilized movementsWhy do people mobilize to support dictators?What does it teach us about civil society? Key LinksRuling by Other Means: State-Mobilized Movements edited by Grzegorz Ekiert, Elizabeth J. Perry, and Yan XiaojunMinda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies Harvard-Yenching Institute Related ContentErica Chenoweth on Civil ResistanceJonathan Pinckney on Civil Resistance TransitionsMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Oct 26, 2021 • 45min
Susan Rose-Ackerman on the Role of the Executive in Four Different Democracies
Many of these things that you and I are talking about are simply initiatives put forward by the chief executive or maybe by a cabinet minister. Something they want to do and rather than something that they're required to do. And it seems to me that that's a rather fragile base on which to build a more effective participatory process, which doesn't give up on the role of technocracy and expertise.Susan Rose-AckermanA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Democracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France here.Susan Rose-Ackerman joins the podcast to discuss her new book Democracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France. Susan is the Henry R. Luce Professor Emeritus of Law and Political Science at Yale University.Key Highlights IncludeHow have executives handled the pandemicDifferences between the executives of Germany, France, UK and USHow different executives make rules to implement public statutesDescription of deliberative democracy used in France to create environmental policiesIs the administrative state democratic Key LinksDemocracy and Executive Power: Policymaking Accountability in the US, the UK, Germany, and France by Susan Rose-AckermanSusan Rose-Ackerman on WikipediaEPuM Interview with Susan Rose-Ackerman on YouTubeRelated ContentLee Drutman Makes the Case for Multiparty Democracy in AmericaWilliam G. Howell and Terry M. Moe on the PresidencyMore from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show

Oct 19, 2021 • 52min
Tom Ginsburg Shares his Thoughts on Democracy and International Law
At the end of the day, I am optimistic despite all the evidence. First of all, I think there are a lot of resources that democracies can use. A lot of areas of law, where as long as we recognize what it is we're fighting for, democracy is worth fighting for and have a common view as to what that means that we can advance it in many places, not just here but abroad. And this might sound a little hokey, but there really is a genuine human demand for freedom and that's not going away.Tom GinsburgA full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com or a short review of Democracies and International Law here.Tom Ginsburg is a professor of international law and political science at the University of Chicago. He is the coauthor of How to Save a Constitutional Democracy with Aziz Huq and the author of Democracies and International Law.Key Highlights IncludeHow is international law made and enforced?How do democracies approach international law differently than authoritarian regimes?Is there a right to democracy?Differences and similarities between the approach of China and the United States towards international law.How do regional organizations support democratic norms?Key LinksDemocracies and International Law by Tom GinsburgFollow Tom Ginsburg on Twitter @tomginsburgHow to Save a Constitutional Democracy by Tom Ginsburg and Aziz HuqDemocracy Paradox PodcastCharles Kupchan on America's Tradition of IsolationismJohn Ikenberry on Liberal InternationalismMore Episodes from the PodcastMore InformationDemocracy GroupApes of the State created all MusicEmail the show at jkempf@democracyparadox.comFollow on Twitter @DemParadoxFollow on Instagram @democracyparadoxpodcast100 Books on DemocracyLearn more about the Kellogg Institute for International Studies at https://kellogg.nd.edu/ Support the show
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