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The OKR Trio is back with Part 2 of their brutally honest Q2 2025 forecast, and they're not holding back. Sara Lobkovich, Maria Rowcliffe, and Natalie Webb tackle the questions you've been asking about rigid vs. flexible OKR approaches, timing models that actually work, and trends we’re seeing in tool choices.But here's where it gets spicy: they're sharing their most controversial OKR opinions, speed round style! From leaders trying to weaponize OKRs as surveillance tools to the popular (but problematic) advice to limit teams to just one strategic priority, this conversation will challenge norms you might not be able to imagine actually exist out there.You'll discover why monthly check-ins might mean you're tracking instead of managing, how geography is shaping OKR strategy differently across continents, and why Excel is making a surprising comeback in the enterprise. Plus, Sara drops a financial metrics hot take that might make your CFO squirm.This isn't your typical goal-setting advice. It's three veteran practitioners sharing what they're really seeing in the field, complete with the controversies, contradictions, and hard-won insights that only come from years in the trenches.Episode Highlights:Quarterly vs. Trimesterly Planning: why the Q4 “drop-off” is real—and how cadence choices impact OKR adoption across teamsBiweekly Reinforcement Loops: how one leadership team’s consistent review rhythm is accelerating organization-wide buy-inTool Sprawl & Excel Resurgence: why many orgs are ditching premium OKR platforms for scrappier, process-first setupsWhen Tools Hurt More Than Help: the danger of letting project management tools define your key resultsHot Takes on OKRs: financial metrics don’t belong in key results (and one-size-fits-all “just one OKR” advice? Hard pass)Big Brother OKRs?: pushing back when leadership wants to use OKRs for surveillance instead of strategyQ3 Preview: a deep dive on execution, achievement—and how to actually decide what OKR tooling makes sense for your orgKey Concepts Explored:Hybrid Localization ApproachesLeadership sets objectives, teams shape Key ResultsThemes as bridges when objectives don't translate locallyKRs and Sub-KRs for fast-moving Scrum teamsMoving away from rigid objective cascadingTiming Model EvolutionBiweekly check-ins integrated with Scrum cyclesThe discipline of at least twice-weekly KR managementQuarterly vs. trimester cycle trade-offsEvent-triggered OKR adjustments for volatile environmentsTool Integration StrategiesProcess-first, tool-second implementation approachExcel resurgence due to cost considerationsAvoiding dueling OKR and project management platformsRecognition that L1 and L2 math doesn't require specialty softwareControversial Practices and Hot TakesOKRs as surveillance tools (problematic)Arbitrary "one OKR only" mandates (counterproductive)Financial metrics as KPIs vs. Key Results (contentious)Project deliverables masquerading as OKRs (misleading)Notable Quotes: "If you have a KR that you only manage monthly, you are not managing it, you're tracking it. Because you essentially have two data points, and then the quarter is over." — Maria Rowcliffe [00:06:00]"Once we learn the words and leadership is modeling the words and meanings, then the rigidity can come out of the framework." — Sara Lobkovich [00:04:00]"Financial metrics belong in mandatories and budgets. They're KPIs, they aren't key results." — Sara Lobkovich [00:15:00]"Bad news only gets worse with time. So the earlier they can raise an issue, I think the better." — Natalie Webb [00:07:00]Chapters:[00:00:00] Introduction: Welcome Back to Part 2 of Q2 OKR Update[00:02:00] Rigid vs. Flexible OKR Models: Finding the Right Balance [00:05:00] Timing Models: Annual, Quarterly, and Everything In Between [00:06:00] The Managing vs. Tracking Debate: Why Monthly Isn't Enough [00:08:00] Geographic Strategy Differences: Chaos vs. Stability [00:10:00] Tool Sprawl: Excel's Comeback and Platform Fatigue [00:13:00] Controversial OKR Practices: Hot Takes and Push-Backs [00:15:00] Financial Metrics Hot Take and Contact Information [00:17:00] Q3 Preview and Final ThoughtsUpcoming Events:Catch Sara at the World OKR Summit! She’ll be speaking this October 30–31: okrsummit.orgBook Update:You Are A Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done: New book available in print and ebook. More info is here!Natalie’s Links and Info:Company: Cloud Peak Enterprise Group (Founder)Specialization: Global OKR consulting (8+ years experience)LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliejwebbMaria’s Link and Resources:Chief of Staff & Business Operations: 10+ years experienceSpecialization: OKR implementation, transformation, and program revitalizationLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariarowcliffeSara’s Links and Resources:Email: sara@thinkydoers.comWebsite: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-podPodcast: Thinkydoers Podcast (available on all major platforms)Social Media: Sara Lobkovich (across platforms)Newsletter: Subscribe at findrc.co/newsletterContact: findrc.co/contact or hello@redcurrantco.comPrograms and Services:No-BS Strategic Clarity Workshop: More info hereNo-BS OKRs Workbook: PDF download available at saralobkovich.com/no-bs-okrs-workbook-pdf-tcSpeaking and Event Facilitation: Now booking!Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !

Join Maria Rowcliffe, Chief of Staff with over a decade of experience in OKR transformations, and Natalie Webb, founder of a global OKR consulting firm. They delve into the nuanced realities of OKRs as they discuss the impact of generative AI, revealing that while draft quality is rising, strategic impact is lagging. They also tackle the importance of effective localization across global teams and highlight the often-misunderstood value of retrospectives in ensuring alignment and cultural integration in OKR practices.

In a world that celebrates the loudest voices and the biggest followings, what if quiet spaces are where real belonging begins?In this deeply personal and connected conversation, Sara Lobkovich sits down with community strategist Carrie Melissa Jones to explore the surprising power of “quiet communities” — where introverts, neurodivergent folks, and the socially anxious can finally feel seen, heard, and safe.If you’ve ever felt like community just isn’t for you… this episode might just change everything.Episode Highlights:Carrie’s journey with social anxiety and building inclusive, "quiet" communitiesBelonging without active participation—research and real-life insightsUsing bodily awareness and boundaries to stay grounded as a community creatorSelf-leadership and support systems to prevent burnout in community workPractical tips for both hosts and participants to feel more confident and alignedKey Concepts Explored:Self-Regulation in Online Spaces: How digital communities offer spaces for thoughtful connection for introverts and neurodivergent people.Quiet Communities: Community spaces that don't demand constant engagement and allow people to participate on their own terms.Meaningful Engagement vs. Engagement for Engagement's Sake: The importance of connecting community activities to purpose and growth rather than arbitrary metrics.Body Awareness as Community Evaluation: Using physical reactions and feelings as guidance for whether a community is a good fit.Belonging Without Participation: Research findings on how affiliation alone can create a sense of belonging without requiring active involvement.Self-Leadership in Community Building: Managing internal dialogues and anxieties that arise when creating and managing communities.Community as Healing Practice: How creating spaces for others can help heal our own relationship to connection.Distributed Leadership: Inviting others' contributions rather than trying to do everything yourself.Community Building as a Long Game: The importance of patience and persistence in both building and participating in communities.Notable Quotes: "If there's a place that you wish existed... why not be the person that starts that?"— Carrie Melissa Jones [00:13:00] "You cannot do it alone. It's not a solo activity. To really create a community, you've got to see, recognize, and invite in the gifts of others and others' contributions."— Carrie Melissa Jones[00:42:32] - [00:42:54]I start everything I do scared and then once you get rolling it gets fun. Nothing starts fun. Everything starts with anxiety.— Sara Lobkovich [00:46:45]Chapters:[00:00:00] Introduction and Meet Carrie Melissa Jones[00:05:51] Social Anxiety and Career: Turning Challenges into Expertise[00:11:22] Redefining Community: "Quiet Communities" and Meaningful Engagement[00:15:38] Challenging the "Not a Joiner" Identity and Finding Your Fit[00:19:53] Body Awareness: Using Physical Responses as Your Community Guide[00:25:32] Advice for Shy Community Creators: Boundaries and Sustainability[00:29:42] Research Insights: Belonging Without Active Participation[00:39:03] Self-Leadership and Distributed Responsibility in Community Building[00:44:30] Practical Pre-Launch Strategies and "Doing It Scared"[00:48:10] The Long Game: Advice for Participants, Hosts, and Closing ThoughtsUpcoming Events:Q3 Strategic Achievement Intensive is now waitlisting! Join the no B.S. approach to goal-getting with Sara: saralobkovich.com/nobs-strategic-achievement-intensiveCatch Sara at the World OKR Summit! She’ll be speaking this October 30–31: okrsummit.orgBook Launch:"You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" is now available in print (hardback and softback). Get the ebook today wherever you buy books.Carrie’s Links and Resources:Website: carriemissajones.comBook: "Building Brand Communities" co-authored with Charles VogelInstagram: @CarrieMelissaJonesLinkedIn: Carrie Melissa JonesCMJ Community: Professional community for community builders (find details on Carrie's website)Sara’s Links and Resources:Email: sara@thinkydoers.comWebsite: thinkydoers.comPodcast: Thinkydoers Podcast (available on all major platforms)Social Media: Sara Lobkovich (across platforms)Newsletter: Subscribe at findrc.co/newsletterFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

Are you struggling to maintain strategic focus in today's unpredictable environment?In this lo-fi, candid episode, Sara shares her insights on navigating strategic planning during persistent uncertainty. Whether you're impacted by shifting tariffs, changes in public funding, or volatile market conditions, this episode offers practical frameworks to maintain strategic momentum when forecasting feels (or is) impossible.Episode Highlights:The Twin Traps: Why both over-planning and strategic abandonment are dangerous reactions to chaosOKRs as an Antidote: How focusing on outcomes rather than activities creates strategic flexibilityThree-Step Framework: A practical approach to maintaining strategic momentum during turbulent timesBuilding in Public: The strategic advantage of quick launches during rapid changeCommon Questions:How do you create strategic plans when the environment is constantly changing?What should replace detailed action planning when circumstances shift frequently?How can leaders maintain team focus during periods of high uncertainty?Notable Quotes:"If you find yourself feeling like you need to revise your plan every time you turn on the news, you may be spending time planning that could better be spent on implementation." [00:03:59]"OKRs let us focus on the goal and remain flexible about our plans, so they can be a bit of an antidote to over-planning." [00:04:27]"The rapid iteration that's possible with building in public actually can create a strategic advantage during rapid change because you can be more relevant and responsive to exactly what's happening around you." [00:11:39]Episode Chapters:[00:00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoer Shorts[00:00:36] Current Challenges in Strategic Planning[00:01:49] Upcoming Workshop: Strategy During Chaos[00:02:46] Adapting Strategic Plans to Uncertainty[00:03:06] Avoiding Over-Planning and Abandonment[00:06:49] Three Steps for Strategic Resilience[00:08:07] Focusing on Immediate Priorities[00:09:26] The To-Done List Approach[00:12:03] Conclusion and Upcoming EventsUpcoming Events:Strategy During Chaos Workshop: May 7th at 9:00 AM and 4:00 PM Pacific. Just $19 (scholarships available). Register at findrc.coNo-BS Strategic Achievement Intensive: May 15th-16th (two half-days). Create chaos-proof strategic plans with structured exercises and supported coworking. Register at findrc.coBook Launch:"You Are a Strategist: Use No-BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done" will be available in print (hardback and softback) on May 6th. Get the ebook now wherever you buy books. More info: youareastrategist.com Stay Connected:Join Sara's newsletter at findrc.co/newsletter. Send questions through findrc.co/contact. Find Sara @saralobkovich on most social media platforms. For show notes and the full episode transcript, visit findrc.co/thinkydoers.Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

In this episode of Thinkydoers, host Sara Lobkovich welcomes self-development and executive career coach Jessica Manca to discuss perfectionism, overthinking, and intrinsic motivation. Jessica shares her journey from management consultant to coach and offers practical tools for overcoming limiting beliefs. We discuss the difference between professional coaching versus advising, the impact of negative self-talk, and how to shift from an over-focus on external (or extrinsic) to internal (or intrinsic) motivation. This conversation provides valuable insights for Thinkydoers who struggle with perfectionism and overthinking, who need some professional development support to unblock their potential and get unstuck.Key PointsJessica's transition from management consultant to self-development coachThe difference between professional coaching and advisingJessica's four inner limits that block perfectionists: stories, excuses, limiting beliefs, and fearsHow to recognize and shift negative self-talk patternsThe importance of intrinsic motivation and "motivational buoyancy"How challenging career setbacks can become opportunities for growthKey Quotables"I help perfectionists and introverts unlock their best self without overthinking. My superpower is really helping match people with the work that they do to the person that they want to be." - Jessica Manca"In ICF coaching... you're truly partnering with somebody. It's not a hierarchical relationship. You are seeing eye to eye with your client." - Jessica Manca"The language that you say to yourself and out loud, it reveals your beliefs, it reveals your values to some degree." - Jessica Manca"Those things that happen in your life that you think are terrible and horrible are actually huge gifts. In my career, I needed it to get that bad in order for me to wake up." - Jessica MancaEpisode Chapters with Timestamps[00:00:00] - Introduction to Thinkydoers podcast and Jessica Manca[00:02:00] - Jessica introduces herself and her work with perfectionists and introverts[00:03:00] - Jessica's journey from management consultant to coach[00:05:00] - Early signs of Jessica's coaching abilities within her consulting firm[00:07:00] - Discussion about professional coaching vs. disciplinary coaching[00:08:00] - The difference between ICF certified coaching and other forms of coaching[00:12:00] - The importance of active listening in coaching[00:13:00] - Jessica's goal setting workshop approach with three columns[00:14:00] - The four inner limits: stories, excuses, limiting beliefs, and fears[00:17:00] - How mindfulness helps notice your stories and patterns[00:19:00] - How language reveals mindset and creates barriers[00:20:00] - Example of how the word "but" can sabotage ideas[00:22:00] - Discussion of Jessica's ebook "Self-Motivation is Your New Superpower"[00:24:00] - How setbacks can be valuable for personal growth[00:25:00] - Where to find Jessica's resources and upcoming workshops[00:27:00] - Announcement about Sara's new book "You Are a Strategist: Use No BS OKRs to Get Big Things Done"About JessicaJessica Manca is a self-development coach, executive career coach, speaker, and author of "Finding Passion" who helps perfectionists and introverts unlock their best selves without overthinking. With a background as a former management consultant on the partner track, Jessica experienced burnout firsthand and discovered coaching as a path to personal transformation. She specializes in helping people align their work with the person they want to be, addressing limiting beliefs and negative self-talk patterns. Jessica is ICF certified and works toward helping clients develop the tools and resilience to continue growing beyond their coaching relationship.Guest Links & ResourcesJessica's Website: JessicaManca.comJessica's Free Download: JessicaManca.com/thinkydoersJessica's Book: "Finding Passion"Jessica's Ebook: "Self-Motivation is Your New Superpower"For More Information about Sara Lobkovich and ThinkydoersSara’s Links and Resources:Join Sara’s Email List: Get updates on OKRs, strategy, and workplace wellbeing and performance at ck.redcurrantco.comSara's book is ow available! Learn more about You Are a Strategist at youareastrategist.comBook launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquadConnect with Sara via LinkedIn, Bluesky, Threads, or MastodonPodcast Home Page: Thinkydoers PodcastFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

Self-promotion can feel uncomfortable—especially for introverted, thoughtful, or reserved Thinkydoers. But what if sharing your impact didn’t have to feel like cringey “bragging?”In this episode, client experience copywriter and founder of The Content Witches, Nailah King, joins host Sara Lobkovich to explore how to craft authentic client stories that go beyond traditional case studies. Nailah shares practical strategies for telling compelling stories that showcase your work—even when your impact isn’t easily measured in revenue or metrics.Learn how to manage rejection sensitivity and build confidence in sharing your work stories; and, how to create marketing materials that align with your values instead of squeezing your unique approach into conventional formats.Episode Highlights:Why traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to tell client stories differentlyStrategies for showcasing your impact without relying on revenue-based metricsManaging rejection sensitivity and building confidence in sharing your workHow introverted and low-energy Thinkydoers can approach self-promotion authenticallyAligning your marketing materials with your values instead of forcing them into conventional formatsPractical storytelling techniques to make your work more visible and engagingThe emotional side of marketing—navigating vulnerability, rejection, and self-doubtNailah’s personal journey and lessons learned from working with values-driven clientsFirst steps to crafting client stories that feel natural, honest, and impactfulKey Concepts Explored:Authentic Storytelling & Client ImpactWhy traditional case studies don’t work for every business and how to create meaningful client storiesStrategies for showcasing impact without relying on revenue-based metricsThe power of storytelling to make your work more visible and engagingSelf-Promotion for Introverts & Low-Energy ThinkydoersHow to market yourself authentically without feeling like you’re braggingOvercoming the fear of visibility and rejection sensitivityValues-Aligned Marketing & Ethical StorytellingCreating marketing materials that reflect your values rather than fitting into conventional formatsThe emotional side of sharing your work—navigating vulnerability, self-doubt, and rejectionHow ethical storytelling can help build stronger client relationships and trustBuilding Confidence & Overcoming Rejection SensitivityUnderstanding rejection sensitivity and how it affects self-promotionStrategies for developing confidence in sharing your work and experiencesFirst steps to telling client stories in a way that feels natural and impactfulNotable Quotes: "I don't get to tell you what you found valuable at the end of the day. I can ask questions that help you explore that, but I don't get to determine the most important feature or experience that you had with us working together." - Nailah King (00:05:00)"Not all of us have work that fits into soundbites and all the attention is paid to getting us to squeeze our work into soundbites." - Sara Lobkovich (00:16:00) "Honor your energetics, honor your process, honor the format. If it's accessible to you, hire someone. If not, there are ways to do this work that are just easier. But you don't have to miss out, and you don't have to feel excluded. These stories are for us as well." - Nailah King (00:43:00)Chapters:[00:00:00] Welcome to Thinkydoers podcast and introduction[00:01:00] Introduction to Nailah King and why Sara invited her on the podcast[00:03:00] Book launch announcement for You Are A Strategist[00:04:00] Nailah introduces herself and her work[00:05:00] How Nailah's approach differs from traditional case studies[00:09:00] The importance of centering the client's experience in storytelling[00:12:00] Balancing values-based work with business needs[00:17:00] Addressing struggles with talking about oneself and one's impact[00:21:00] Switching from teaching mode to emotional storytelling[00:24:00] Overcoming shyness when approaching clients for stories[00:28:00] Tips for handling rejection sensitivity[00:35:00] How Nailah creates safe spaces for client interviews[00:41:00] Key takeaways for introverts and ThinkydoersGuest Information:Nailah King is a copywriter who specializes in client storytelling, particularly for thoughtful and introspective professionals who prefer a more authentic and less high-pressure approach to marketing. She focuses on crafting case studies that feel more like engaging client narratives rather than dry testimonials.Nailah’s Resources Mentioned:Website: www.thecontentwitches.caThreads: @nailah.z.kingInstagram: @nailah.z.kingBlueSky: @nailahkingwrites.bsky.socialLinkedIn: The Content WitchesA shout-out to Sarah Moon & Co, who brought Nailah and I together:Sarah Moon Consulting websiteAnd here’s the client story that Nailah wrote with Sara L, for Sarah M!Sara’s Links and Resources:Join Sara’s Email List: Get updates on OKRs, strategy, and workplace wellbeing and performance at ck.redcurrantco.comBook Website: Now available! Learn more abpit You Are a Strategist at youareastrategist.comBook launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquadConnect with Sara via LinkedIn, Bluesky, Threads, or MastodonPodcast Home Page: Thinkydoers PodcastFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers !Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

AI is transforming the way we work—but how can Thinkydoers use generative AI responsively and productively—as a tool, not a time-suck?In part two of our conversation with AI ethicist and strategist Dvorah Graeser, we get practical about leveraging AI tools, particularly for deep specialists and strategic thinkers. Building on our discussion of ethics and implications from Episode 38, Dvorah shares specific ways to move from anxiety to agency with AI while maintaining your ethics and humanity. Learn how to use AI tools to organize your thoughts, improve communication with different audiences, and enhance your work as a specialist, all while preserving what makes us uniquely human.Episode Highlights: How AI can help specialists move from anxiety to agency and practical ways to embrace AI tools with confidenceUsing AI to organize complex ideas and turn scattered thoughts into structured outlinesThe power of AI iteration and dialogue to refine thinking, decision-making, and communicationFact-checking and avoiding AI hallucinations with tools like Perplexity AI and multi-tool validationEnhancing communication for deep specialists by adapting messaging for different audiences, including neurodivergent thinkers and general business professionalsLeveraging AI for buyer personas and using marketing strategies to improve AI-generated content and audience targetingAI as an assistive tool for neurodivergence and how it supports executive functioning challenges and workflow efficiencyEmotional processing and AI as a tool for self-reflection while recognizing its limitations in mental health supportFirst steps to overcoming AI anxiety and why understanding your emotional response to AI is crucial before integrating it into your workflowResources and further learning, including Dvorah’s free PDF on emotions in AI and an invitation to submit questions for future discussionsKey Concepts Explored: AI for Organization & CreativityHow AI helps specialists structure ideas and overcome creative overwhelmThe role of AI in iterative thinking and refining communicationAI’s effectiveness in summarizing, outlining, and organizing complex informationAI Accuracy & Fact-CheckingStrategies for verifying AI-generated content and reducing hallucinationsUsing multi-tool validation with AI models like Perplexity AI and ClaudeLimitations of AI in handling data accuracy and research citationsAI for Specialists & CommunicationHow AI helps deep specialists communicate with broader audiencesLeveraging buyer personas to tailor AI-generated messagingUsing AI to bridge communication gaps between neurodivergent and neurotypical audiencesAI for Neurodivergent ThinkersAI as an adaptive tool for executive function and workflow managementThe role of AI in supporting focus, organization, and stress reductionEthical considerations of AI in self-reflection and emotional regulationOvercoming AI Anxiety & Ethical AdoptionThe shift from AI anxiety to AI agency and practical steps for confident adoptionThe importance of emotional awareness in integrating AI into personal and professional workflowsResources for understanding the emotional impact of AI and strategies for responsible useEpisode Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast and Episode Overview 01:00 From AI Anxiety to AI Agency – How Specialists Can Take Control 02:00 Organizing Chaotic Thoughts with AI – Turning Sticky Notes into Structure 04:00 The Power of Iteration – Using AI for Back-and-Forth Thinking 05:00 AI Hallucinations and Fact-Checking – Ensuring Accuracy in AI-Generated Content07:00 The Role of Multi-Tool AI Validation – Using Perplexity AI, Claude, and ChatGPT Together09:00 AI for Deep Specialists – Making Complex Knowledge Accessible to a Broader Audience10:00 Leveraging AI for Buyer Personas – Adapting Communication for Different Audiences12:00 AI as an Assistive Tool for Neurodivergent Thinkers – Supporting Executive Function 14:00 Emotional Processing with AI – AI as a Thought Partner for Self-Reflection 17:00 Ethical Considerations – AI as a Probability Machine vs. a Reliable Support System 19:00 Overcoming AI Anxiety – The Importance of Emotional Awareness in AI Adoption 20:00 Resources & Further Learning – Dvorah’s PDF on Emotions in AI & Q&A Invitation 21:00 Where to Find Dvorah – Connecting on LinkedIn and Exploring Future Discussions 22:00 Closing Remarks – Encouraging Listeners to Submit AI-Related QuestionsNotable Quotes"They don’t replace the human brain, but they are really good at organizing big messes of information." – Sara Lobkovich (00:04:00)"If you have a multi-tool process and you leverage the strengths of one tool to shore up the weaknesses of another tool, then you can save a lot of time, but also a lot of mental energy." – Dvorah Graeser (00:06:00)"As a place to start, I would actually begin by looking at how I feel about AI. I actually had to do that. I had to get emotional about AI before I could use it well. And it's simply because it is a very different tool. It is not going to do what you always expect. And so, for that reason, you need to get your own emotional house in order with it before you can start using it." – Dvorah Graeser (00:20:00)Guest InformationDvorah Graeser is an AI ethicist, strategist, and technology entrepreneur specializing in AI applications, intellectual property, and ethical AI adoption. With a background in intellectual property law and technology commercialization, she has extensive experience helping deep specialists and businesses integrate AI responsibly. Dvorah advocates for leveraging AI to enhance human creativity and strategic thinking while addressing challenges like AI hallucinations and fact-checking. Based in the Netherlands, she works with organizations to navigate the evolving AI landscape with a focus on ethical and effective implementation.Dvorah’s Resources Mentioned:Dvorah's Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/dgraeserSnag Dvorah’s Three-Page AI Transformation Blueprint: https://findrc.co/genaibydgWebsites: kisspatent.com, rocketsmart.ioSara's Links and Resources:Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletter Contact: findrc.co/contact Social media: @saralobkovich on most platforms Show notes: findrc.co/thinkydoers Book launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquadFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

Are you wrestling with ethical questions about AI while also feeling curious about its potential?In this thought-provoking episode, Sara welcomes Dvorah Graeser, an "old internet" technologist who brings a unique perspective on AI democratization. From programming for the Human Genome Project to founding RocketSmart, Dvorah shares insights on how we can approach AI with both skepticism and agency.Discover why those who shy away from AI might be surrendering power to tech giants, and learn practical considerations for responsibly engaging with generative AI tools in your work.Episode Highlights: Dvorah's background programming before the GUI and her journey from the Human Genome Project to AI developmentThe ethical considerations of generative AI and how to navigate them as business owners and creatorsHow to evaluate AI models based on their transparency, data policies, and public commitmentsThe democratization of technology and why bottom-up AI adoption benefits everyoneWhy small businesses might leapfrog large corporations with open-source AI models like DeepSeekHow generative AI affects workplace satisfaction differently across roles and experience levelsPractical advice for protecting your intellectual property in an AI-driven worldKey Concepts Explored: AI Ethics & Transparency Role of AI in data analytics and predictive modeling AI as an enabler vs. driver of outcomes Practical applications in OKR workshops Limitations and considerations Generative AI for Work The role of AI in automating tasks vs. augmenting human work AI as an enabler vs. a driver of outcomesPractical applications of AI in different industriesSmall Business vs. Big Tech Can AI level the playing field for solopreneurs and startups?How large corporations control AI access and developmentOpportunities for smaller businesses to leverage AI effectivelyAI for Strategy & Execution Integrating AI into decision-making without losing human creativityUsing AI for data analytics and predictive modelingLimitations and considerations for AI in strategic planningEpisode Chapters: [00:00:00] Introduction: Welcome to Thinkydoers and introduction to Dvorah Graeser[00:03:00] Dvorah's background: From programming before GUI to AI development[00:05:00] Ethics of generative AI: The challenge of retrofitting ethics[00:08:00] Choosing trustworthy AI models: Evaluating data policies and transparency[00:10:00] Democratizing technology: The historical context and importance[00:14:00] Advice for Thinkydoer leaders: Focus on process integration[00:17:00] IP concerns for creators and business owners: Strategies and policies[00:20:00] AI and the future of work: Research on workplace satisfaction[00:25:00] The potential of open-source models like DeepSeek for small businesses[00:29:00] Individual action: How to participate in shaping ethical AINotable Quotes"If a company is using AI in a way you don’t like, let them know—preferably on social media, so others can join the conversation." – Dvorah Graeser (00:31:00) "Generative AI is more about curation than creation. It gives you 100 ideas, but you still need the expertise to pick the right one." – Dvorah Graeser (00:22:00) "Most small businesses don’t need the latest AI model. They need AI that works with their data and processes." – Dvorah Graeser (00:26:00) "AI isn’t just a tool for big corporations. Small businesses that use AI strategically can be more agile and outmaneuver larger companies." – Dvorah Graeser (00:28:00) Guest InformationDvorah Graeser is the founder and CEO of RocketSmart, specializing in AI, intellectual property, and technology commercialization. With a background in pharmacology, AI programming, and U.S. patent law, she has worked on projects like the Human Genome Project and now advocates for AI ethics and democratization. Based in the Netherlands and Chicago, Dvorah helps businesses and universities navigate the evolving AI landscape.Dvorah’s Resources Mentioned:Dvorah's Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/dgraeserSnag Dvorah’s Three-Page AI Transformation Blueprint: https://findrc.co/genaibydgWebsites: kisspatent.com, rocketsmart.ioSara's Links and Resources:Newsletter: findrc.co/newsletterContact: findrc.co/contactSocial media: @saralobkovich on most platformsShow notes: findrc.co/thinkydoersBook launch squad:  findrc.co/launchsquadFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. 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What’s next for OKRs in 2025?As goal-setting evolves, organizations are rethinking their approach to strategy, execution, and performance. In this episode, Sara sits down with OKR experts Natalie Webb and Maria Rowcliffe to unpack the latest trends—from the role of generative AI to the shifting landscape of OKR localization and performance management. Whether you’re an OKR veteran or just getting started, these insights will help you stay ahead of the curve.Episode Highlights: How generative AI is reshaping OKR creation and workshop efficiencyThe shift away from rigid OKR cascading toward functional team-level alignmentWhy OKRs should not be directly tied to performance evaluations or compensationThe biggest mistakes organizations make when implementing OKRs—and how to avoid themThe evolving role of OKRs in strategy execution and business impactWhat to expect from the future of OKRs in 2025 and beyond Key Concepts Explored: Generative AI in OKR Practice Role of AI in data analytics and predictive modelingAI as an enabler vs. driver of outcomesPractical applications in OKR workshopsLimitations and considerationsModern OKR Localization Shift from cascading to hybrid approachesL1-L2 alignment strategiesBottom-up contribution methodsFunctional team focusOKR Integration Separation of delivery work and outcomesProject management integrationPerformance management considerationsLeading indicator identificationImplementation Strategy Starting points for organizationsCommon pitfalls to avoidMethodology vs. tool selectionChange management considerationsEpisode Chapters[00:00:00] Introduction and welcome[00:01:00] Book announcement: You Are a Strategist[00:04:00] Guest introductions[00:08:00] Generative AI's impact on OKRs[00:17:00] Using AI tools in OKR workshops[00:21:00] Evolution of OKR localization[00:33:00] Discussion of individual KRs[00:41:00] OKRs and performance management[00:47:00] First steps for OKR implementationNotable Quotes "Generative AI is an enabler, not a driver. It’s a tool that supports goal-setting, but the real work still comes down to humans collaborating, making great decisions, and executing." – Maria Rowcliffe"If we set our OKRs well, teams should feel empowered to say no to work that doesn’t align. Prioritization isn’t real unless it hurts." – Natalie Webb"One of the hardest parts of OKR creation is identifying leading indicators. AI can help generate ideas, but the real challenge is getting teams to think beyond the obvious KPIs." – Maria Rowcliffe"Not everyone needs their name on a Key Result. This isn’t a participation trophy—what matters is understanding how the work contributes to the bigger strategy." – Natalie Webb"If you tie OKRs directly to performance evaluations, you create a system where people set safe goals instead of ambitious ones. That’s not what OKRs are meant to do." – Sara LobkovichGuest Information: Natalie Webb is an OKR expert with nearly eight years of experience in the field. She currently works with Aramco in Saudi Arabia, supporting their digital transformation and AI initiatives. Natalie specializes in helping organizations implement effective OKRs that drive real business impact.Maria Rowcliffe is an organizational behavior specialist with over 30 years of experience in management and strategy execution. Passionate about how organizations and people achieve success, she has worked extensively with OKRs and other strategic frameworks to help businesses align goals and improve execution.Natalie’s & Maria’s Resources:Website: Tability OKR Platform – A tool for OKR tracking and goal managementOKR Creation Tools: Claude and ChatGPT – Used for generating OKR drafts and refining goalsSara’s Links and Resources:No-BS Strategic Achievement Intensive: Learn more and join at ck.redcurrantco.comJoin Sara’s Email List: Get updates on OKRs and strategy at ck.redcurrantco.comBook Website: Stay updated on You Are a Strategist at youareastrategist.comPodcast Home Page: Thinkydoers PodcastFind full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.

What happens when two powerhouse frameworks collide?In this episode, Sara dives into a fascinating conversation with Jessica Lee, exploring the dynamic intersection of EOS® (Entrepreneurial Operating System®) and OKRs (Objectives and Key Results) in business management. As both an EOS integrator and an OKR coach, Jessica shares her unique expertise, offering actionable insights into how these two frameworks can work in harmony to help organizations not just survive but truly thrive.Episode Highlights: The complementary relationship between EOS and OKRs in business management Understanding the crucial visionary-integrator dynamic in leadership How EOS provides structure for businesses ready to scale The importance of proper goal-setting and measurement systems Role definition and its impact on organizational success The value of coaching in implementation of both frameworksKey Concepts Explored: EOS Framework Components Vision Traction Organizer (VTO) Rocks and Measurables People Analyzer Accountability Chart L10 Meetings Leadership Dynamics Visionary (CEO) role and characteristics Integrator role and responsibilities Creating effective partnership between both roles Goal Setting and Measurement Integration of EOS rocks with OKR methodology Importance of measurable outcomes Balance between vision and execution Organizational Structure Role definition before performance evaluation Right people in right seats concept Simplified organizational structure approachEpisode Chapters[00:00] Introduction to Thinkydoers Podcast[00:58] Live from the Race Trailer[02:16] Guest Introduction: Jessica Lee[03:06] Understanding EOS and OKRs[04:40] Implementing EOS in Small Businesses[13:55] The Role of the Integrator[20:31] Accountability and Goal Setting[26:57] Conclusion and FarewellNotable Quotes:"Having a shared vocabulary and shared words and meanings within an organization could probably alleviate 75 percent of conflict that happens in businesses." - Sara Lobkovich"Find out what matters to your people. That’s how you’re going to get the most out of the people you have." - Jessica Lee"What I learned from OKR coaching was that staying quiet and letting someone else reach the answer can be the hardest—and most impactful—work." - Jessica Lee"Research shows that we will dramatically overestimate what we think we could do in a short amount of time, but we will grossly underestimate what we could do in a larger amount of time." - Jessica LeeGuest Information: Jessica Lee owns Optimized Execs, a business consulting firm helping CEOs of small and medium-sized businesses who feel overwhelmed and unsure about growth strategies. Her experience includes serving as a COO and implementing EOS in various organizations.Jessica's Resources Mentioned: Book: "Traction" by Gino Wickman Book: "Rocket Fuel" (focused on visionary-integrator relationship) Website: www.optimizedexecs.com LinkedIn: Jessica Lee Website: www.optimizedexecs.comSara's Links and Resources: Join Sara's Email Newsletter: https://findrc.co/4asU5wo Email Sara at hello@redcurrantco.com Other Free No-BS OKRs Resources: Access all free resources Thinkydoers (not-just-an OKR podcast) Home Page: https://saralobkovich.com/thinkydoers-pod Visit https://ck.redcurrantco.com to join the newsletter for additional resources and early access to new tools.Find full show notes and the episode transcript via https://findrc.co/thinkydoers!Mentioned in this episode:Join the Strategic Clarity Workshop Waitlist for Early Bird AccessAre you ready to not just set goals, but actually change behavior to achieve them without overwhelm, shame, blame, or overthinking. Join me for the Strategic Clarity Workshop. A No-BS hands-on experience, where you'll turn your vision into a reality proof plan for real measurable results in a calm, supportive space. We're opening up the June dates very soon, and the early bird sale will be limited, so learn more and join the wait list at findrc.co/scwtd or look for the link for the Strategic Clarity Workshop on findrc.co or saralobkovich.com.