
The Counter Narrative: Changing the Way We Talk (and think) About Education
A podcast dedicated to changing the way we talk and think about education. We all know that the field isn't perfect but there is plenty of awesome work happening everyday. Listen in as I profile educators who are positively impacting their staff, students, and communities.
Latest episodes

May 30, 2025 • 7min
Episode 249: Pause to Ponder - The Hardest Episode Yet
After nearly 250 episodes of amplifying unheard voices, disrupting the status quo, and challenging dominant narratives, Charles Williams shares a deeply personal reflection in what may be the final episode of The Counter Narrative Podcast. In this emotional and vulnerable farewell—for now—Charles opens up about the exhaustion that comes with relentless advocacy, the need to honor capacity, and the courage it takes to pause without a perfect ending.While this isn’t a clean goodbye, it is a necessary breath. A moment to recalibrate, to reflect, and perhaps one day, to return.Tune in as Charles revisits the journey, honors the community that made it all possible, and leaves listeners with one final charge:Keep challenging the dominant narrative.

May 23, 2025 • 32min
Episode248: Interview w/ Eli Casaus
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages in a deep conversation with Coach Eli Casaus about the nuances of leadership, the importance of coaching over consulting, and the challenges of isolation in leadership roles. Eli shares his journey from being a reluctant teacher to a principal and now a leadership coach, emphasizing the significance of self-discovery, authentic conversations, and building a supportive network. The discussion also touches on mental health and the need for leaders to empower themselves and others in their educational environments.

May 16, 2025 • 39min
Episode 247: Interview w/ Dr. Amy Mathews-Perez
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with Dr. Amy Matthews-Perez, a seasoned educator with over 34 years of experience in special education. They discuss the importance of embracing progress over perfection, the subjectivity of perfection, and the significance of authenticity in education and career choices. Dr. Matthews-Perez shares her journey in education, practical tips for personal growth, and the value of self-reflection. The conversation emphasizes the need for educators and individuals to focus on their passions and to support one another in their journeys toward improvement and empowerment.

May 9, 2025 • 22min
Episode 246: Interview w/ Melisa Hayes
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with Melisa Hayes, a dedicated second-grade teacher with over 25 years of experience. They discuss the importance of balancing fun and technology in education, the need for student empowerment, and creative teaching strategies that engage young learners. Melisa shares her insights on how to create a dynamic classroom environment that fosters learning through play and technology, while also encouraging educators to take risks and innovate in their teaching practices.

May 2, 2025 • 9min
Episode 245: Pause to Ponder - When Fairness Feels Like a Threat
In this reflection, Charles Williams addresses the alarming trends in education regarding equity, particularly focusing on the backlash against initiatives aimed at supporting Black students. He emphasizes the importance of the Black Student Success Plan in Chicago, arguing that it is a necessary corrective measure to address systemic neglect and disparities faced by Black students. Williams challenges the misconception that equity efforts harm other groups and highlights the benefits of equitable practices for all students. He calls for educators to resist political pressures that undermine equity and to advocate for the rights and futures of marginalized students.

Apr 25, 2025 • 53min
Episode 244: Interview w/ Tara Bonner
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Tara Bonner, an educator with extensive experience in understanding learning struggles. They explore the intersection of education and cognitive science, discussing the importance of recognizing and addressing the cognitive functions that contribute to learning difficulties such as dyslexia. Tara emphasizes the need for a shift in the educational system from a fixed mindset to a growth mindset, advocating for personalized approaches to learning that consider each student's unique cognitive profile. The conversation also highlights the significance of curiosity and understanding in supporting students with learning challenges, and Tara shares valuable resources for educators to better assess and support their students' cognitive needs. In this conversation, Tara and Charles explore the complexities of cognitive load in education, emphasizing the importance of understanding students' unique cognitive profiles. They discuss the damaging effects of labeling students as lazy and the need for a cognitive lens to view learning challenges. The conversation highlights the significance of a growth mindset and actionable steps educators can take to support their students. Tara introduces the Aerosmith program, a cognitive approach designed to help students strengthen their cognitive abilities through targeted exercises.Links:https://www.arrowsmith.ca/ - general websitehttps://www.arrowsmith.ca/your-guide-to-learning-disabilities-and-learning-difficulties - knowledge guide for educatorsBrain School, Howard Eaton - free download - case studies of students who have participated in Arrowsmith programminghttps://questionnaire.arrowsmith.ca/ - complementary cognitive questionnaire

Apr 18, 2025 • 12min
Episode 243: Pause to Ponder - When Autonomy Meets Apathy
In this conversation, Charles Williams reflects on the challenges faced in educational leadership, particularly the struggle between fostering teacher autonomy and the ingrained culture of compliance. He discusses the importance of creating a supportive environment for educators, recognizing the need for both structure and freedom in professional development. The conversation emphasizes the significance of alignment between leadership beliefs and teacher needs, ultimately advocating for a responsive approach to leadership that prioritizes growth and commitment over mere compliance.

Apr 11, 2025 • 35min
Episode 242: Interview w/ Mark Gibson
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, host Charles Williams engages with educator Mark Gibson Jr. about his journey in education, the importance of building resiliency in students, and the proactive strategies educators can implement to foster a supportive learning environment. Mark shares his personal experiences and insights on mentorship, accountability, and the necessity of creating safe spaces for students to thrive. The conversation emphasizes the need for educators to be aware of their biases, to build strong relationships with students, and to prioritize their own wellness in order to effectively support their students' growth.

Apr 4, 2025 • 9min
Episode 241: Pause to Ponder - Autism in Real Life
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams shares his personal journey of understanding autism through the lens of his grandson, Leo. He emphasizes that autism awareness should extend beyond a single month and highlights the importance of acceptance, support, and celebrating small victories. Charles discusses the significance of viewing behavior as communication and the role of advocacy in creating a more inclusive world for individuals with autism. He encourages listeners to approach autism with curiosity, empathy, and love, advocating for a shift in perspective that celebrates differences rather than tolerating them.

Mar 28, 2025 • 39min
Episode 240: Interview w/ Lydia McNeiley
In this episode of the Counter Narrative Podcast, Charles Williams speaks with Lydia McNeely, a lead professional learning specialist for Hatching Results, about her non-traditional journey in education and the vital role of school counselors. They discuss the current challenges facing school counselors, particularly regarding misconceptions about their roles, the importance of family engagement, and the need for community support in education. Lydia shares her experiences and insights on how to effectively support students and families, especially in immigrant communities, and emphasizes the importance of being intentional in outreach and engagement efforts. In this conversation, Lydia McNeiley and Charles Williams discuss the evolving role of school counselors, addressing misconceptions about their work and the importance of diversity, equity, and inclusion in education. They emphasize the need for counselors to support all students and advocate for their needs, while also providing resources for parents and educators to better understand the counseling profession.