
Ecosystemic Futures
Ecosystemic Futures engages with the world’s elite thought leaders who are researching and leading meaningful development in areas that could impact society in the next half century.
Provided by Shoshin Works in collaboration with NASA Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project - Ecosystemic Futures explores technological advances and structural patterns that will help us better innovate, operate, and navigate in our increasingly connected world.
Join the conversation as NASA leaders, and industry and policy luminaries share their perspectives with host Dyan Finkhousen, a leading strategist and global authority on ecosystemic solutions, and brilliant co-hosts.
Latest episodes

Aug 6, 2024 • 53min
59: The Integration of Technology into the Human Experience
In this episode of the Ecosystemic Futures Podcast we explore the integration of technology into the human experience with Dr. Ali Hossaini, Research Fellow at the Institut d'études avancées de Nantes at King's College in London . Dr. Ali and our hosts Dr. Vikram Shyam and Dyan Finkhousen explore the parallels between biological ecosystems and business ecosystems, emphasizing the need for multi-disciplinary approaches to tackle complex societal problems and achieve creative evolution. Guest: Dr. Ali Hossaini, Research Fellow, Institut d'études avancées de Nantes | King's College London, Principal Investigator, Health & Social Equity, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jul 30, 2024 • 48min
58: Healthcare Futures: Innovation, Incentives, and Governance
In this episode of the Ecosystemic Futures podcast, we explore the transformative potential of advanced technologies in healthcare with Katie Meyer, Vice President of Public Affairs at Novocure. Katie discusses the crucial role of incentive systems and governance in driving healthcare innovation and highlights the challenges of navigating a highly regulated landscape. Join us as we explore the interplay between governance, incentives, and emerging technologies in creating a resilient and innovative healthcare ecosystem. Guest: Katie Meyer, Vice President Public Affairs at Novocure Co-Hosts: James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jul 24, 2024 • 34min
57: Navigating the Frontier of Deep Tech: Balancing Innovation, Sustainability, and National Security
This episode of the Ecosystemic Futures Podcast explores the opportunities and challenges of deep tech innovation, with a focus on emerging technologies like quantum computing, fusion energy, and their implications for society, industry, and national security. The conversation features insights from Laura Thomas, a former CIA case officer and current advisor to cutting-edge startups, and Co-Hosts Vikram Shyam and Dyan Finkhousen. They discuss the complexities of regulating rapidly evolving technologies, the need for better collaboration between the public and private sectors, and the importance of addressing sustainability and equity concerns alongside technological progress. Guest: Laura Thomas, Advisor for a quantum technology company, Infleqtion and fusion energy company, Fuse. Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jul 16, 2024 • 46min
56: The Sky is No Longer the Limit: Exponential Potential of the Space Ecosystem
Anna Brady-Estevez and our hosts discuss what it takes to stand up a new layer of infrastructure - extending our industries, economies, and possibilities into the vast expanse of the space economy. On track to triple in the next decade, the space economy offers an extraordinary environment for innovation, entrepreneurship and investment. Successful development of our next generation of infrastructure requires deeper understanding and orchestration across complementary ecosystems for investment, education, policy, technology and services development. Platforming the space ecosystem necessitates exceptionally bold vision and investment. Guest Anna Brady-Estevez brings the receipts, sharing a wealth of examples of companies making it happen - who are building use cases and capabilities to help lead the way in virtually every sector of our economy. Anna and our co-hosts discuss the pressing need for large-scale infrastructure investment and tools to make capital more accessible to democratize participation in the space economy and drive generational benefits for our society. Guest: Anna Brady-Estevez, Senior Investment Advisor and (Venture) Partner at the U.S. Small Business Administration Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jul 9, 2024 • 49min
55: The Future of Urban Ecosystems: Technology, Sustainability and The New Cognitive Generation
Join us for an inspiring glimpse into the making of NEOM - arguably the world's leading sustainable, cognitive city and a living lab platform to evaluate the application of advanced technologies to elevate the human experience. In this episode, co-hosts Vikram Shyam and Marco Annunziata connect with our guest, Mansoor Hanif to explore the intersection of technology innovation, and economics - and unpack the myth of smart city design. Three factors are contributing to this next generation of truly smart cities: cohesive connectivity; ecosystemic data architecture; and universal standards for interoperability. A strong command of the regulatory landscape supports the development of an AI orchestration layer and a framework of transparency, trust, and the high-fidelity 'data halo'. Mansoor shares his perpsective regarding the key considerations and risks related to ecosystemic design, societal development and the need for future technologies to prioritize sustainability and ethical considerations. Tune in for a brilliant discussion of the future of economic development around the world. Guest: Mansoor Hanif Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jul 2, 2024 • 50min
54: Designing Better Futures: AI, Time and Human Relationship
In the latest episode of the Ecosystemic Futures Podcast, co-hosts Dyan and Marco engage with guest Dr. Julia Mossbridge in a compelling discussion on the interplay between love, artificial intelligence (AI), and time. The conversation explores the transformative potential of integrating unconditional love with AI to enhance professional and personal lives, as well as its impact on mental health and governance. Dr. Julia Mossbridge shares her insights on time perception, AI’s emotional intelligence, and the innovative concept of decentralized AI systems, emphasizing the importance of diversity in thought and experience. The episode highlights the necessity of empathy, trust, and universal love in designing resilient AI systems that can contribute societal outcomes. Guest: Dr. Julia Mossbridge Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jun 25, 2024 • 40min
53: The Role of Information in Ecosystems: The Evolution of Journalism in our Hyperconnected World
In this episode, our panelists delve into the transformation of journalism and its influence on policymaking, emphasizing the vital role of information channels within local communities. They discuss the difficulties local journalists encounter when addressing national issues and the repercussions of dwindling local news. The conversation also examines the intersection of technology and policy, focusing in on immigration and reflecting on the necessity for detailed, on-the-ground reporting. Guest: Maya Rao Co-Hosts: Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jun 18, 2024 • 46min
52: Ecosystemic Design for Policy Professionals - Balancing Openness and Safeguards
Dr. David Bray joins us with a brilliant exploration of the tension between openness and safeguards for policy professionals in an increasingly interconnected world. Dr. Bray and his colleagues discuss the inevitable shift from linear, structured systems to ecosystemic economies - and the criticality of futures literacy for policy professionals. Advanced technologies, democratized models, and the proliferation of collective intelligence are converging in ways that will challenge the very foundations of governance model design and implementation. In this episode we contemplate the very real possibility that we have reached the practical limitations of existing economic models and that something new is beginning to take shape to inform economic resilience and prosperity for our complex, dynamic, and interconnected world. Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works

Jun 11, 2024 • 42min
51: Decarbonizing Heavy Industry: Pathways and Challenges
In this insightful episode, we delve into the pivotal role that heavy industries, such as steel and cement, play in the global economy and the formidable challenge of decarbonization they face. We explore the emissions produced by these manufacturing processes and the potential of hydrogen-based solutions - taking a comprehensive look at various strategies for transitioning to a low-carbon economy, the importance of energy efficiency, ecosystem interdependencies, and stable policy frameworks. This discussion underscores the necessity of trust, transparency, and inclusivity to navigate this critical transition. Guests: Aaron Maltais and Bjorn Nykvist

Jun 4, 2024 • 44min
50: The Future Feast: Food Production for a Sustainable Future
In today's episode, we delve into the future of food production, exploring the cutting-edge innovations transforming agriculture, technology, and consumer behavior. Join us and our guests Kasia Gora, Co-Founder and CTO of SCiFi Foods, and Joshua March, Co-Founder and CEO of SCiFi Foods, as we navigate the ethical and environmental implications of cultivated meat, a solution that aims to address global food sustainability challenges. Guests: Kasia, Gora, Co-Founder and CTO of SCiFi Foods, Joshua March, Co-Founder and CEO of SCiFi Foods Co-Hosts: Vikram Shyam, PhD, Futurist, Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project, NASA Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners Series Hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works