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Exploring what it means to live a good life. What does it mean to live a good life? What is true happiness? What are the habits, practices, and dispositions that contribute to authentic human flourishing? No Small Endeavor examines these questions with host Lee C. Camp. You'll hear from best-selling authors, philosophers, scientists, artists, psychologists, theologians and even the occasional politician—courageous, impassioned people taking seriously the question of how to live a good life. Striving for a good life is No Small Endeavor, and we’re here with you on the road. Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
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Jun 8, 2023 • 54min
107: Ending Violence Through Forgiveness: Azim Khamisa
How do you forgive the man who killed your son?
In 1995, Azim Khamisa’s only son Tariq was shot and killed while delivering a pizza. The killer was a 14-year-old gang member named Tony Hicks, and due to a recent change of law in the state of California, Tony was tried as an adult and sentenced to 25 years in prison.
But instead of responding with a call for outrage or revenge, Azim did the unthinkable: he forgave his son’s killer, fought for his release, then gave him a job.
“My interpretation of this tragedy was that there are victims at both ends of the gun,” he says. In this episode, he tells the full story of how he uses his experience to help end youth violence, even recruiting his son’s killer to join in the work. It is one of unimaginable grief, staunch faith, and unwavering compassion.
Show Notes:
Similar Episodes
Forgiving My Mother’s Murderer: Sharon Risher
Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence
Resources mentioned this episode
TKF.org
AzimKhamisa.com
Email Azim: azim@azimkhamisa.com
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
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Jun 3, 2023 • 1h 18min
106: Unabridged Interview: Martin Sheen
This is our unabridged interview with Martin Sheen.
In this episode, Lee sits down with the former President of the United States…
At least, that’s how many listeners may know Martin Sheen, an award-winning actor known for his roles in Apocalypse Now and The Departed, and perhaps most famously for playing President Jed Bartlet in the hit TV series The West Wing.
But offscreen, Martin is perhaps best described as a committed Catholic with a beautiful conversion story, and an ardent peace activist who has been arrested over 60 times. In this episode, he tells his whole story, full of humor and grace, all the way from his childhood in Ohio to his acting career, his coming to faith, and much more.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
The Architect of The American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
Resources mentioned this episode
The West Wing Cathedral Scene
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Transcription Link For Abridged Episode
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Jun 1, 2023 • 54min
106: Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen
In this episode, Lee sits down with the former President of the United States…
At least, that’s how many listeners may know Martin Sheen, an award-winning actor known for his roles in Apocalypse Now and The Departed, and perhaps most famously for playing President Jed Bartlet in the hit TV series The West Wing.
But offscreen, Martin is perhaps best described as a committed Catholic with a beautiful conversion story, and an ardent peace activist who has been arrested over 60 times. In this episode, he tells his whole story, full of humor and grace, all the way from his childhood in Ohio to his acting career, his coming to faith, and much more.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
The Architect of The American Civil Rights Movement: James Lawson
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
Resources mentioned this episode
The West Wing Cathedral Scene
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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May 27, 2023 • 60min
105: Unabridged Interview: Kristin Du Mez and David French
This is the unabridged Interview of Lee's conversation with Kristin Du Mez and David French.
What happens when one of the country’s most outspoken critics of white male Christian political conservatism sits down with… well, a white male Christian political conservative?
The answer: a really great conversation about politics, culture, and the desperate need for hospitality in the digital age.
“With the decline of traditional media, everything's a competition for clicks,” says Kristin Du Mez, author of New York Times bestseller Jesus and John Wayne. She’s joined by David French, senior editor for the Dispatch and contributing writer to The Atlantic, to discuss their roles as public cultural commentators, how they choose their battles, how they deal with criticism, and the hard work of critiquing one’s own tribe in the age of political tribalism.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Jesus and John Wayne: Kristin Du Mez
Conservatism Without Trumpism: David French
Is Conservative Christianity Anti-Intellectual?: Molly Worthen
Resources mentioned this episode
Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Du Mez
Tim Alberta's Atlantic article - 'How Politics Poisoned The Evangelical Church'
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription of abridged episode
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May 25, 2023 • 51min
105: Kristin Du Mez Sits with David French (Best Of NSE)
What happens when one of the country’s most outspoken critics of white male Christian political conservatism sits down with… well, a white male Christian political conservative?
The answer: a really great conversation about politics, culture, and the desperate need for hospitality in the digital age.
“With the decline of traditional media, everything's a competition for clicks,” says Kristin Du Mez, author of New York Times bestseller Jesus and John Wayne. She’s joined by David French, senior editor for the Dispatch and contributing writer to The Atlantic, to discuss their roles as public cultural commentators, how they choose their battles, how they deal with criticism, and the hard work of critiquing one’s own tribe in the age of political tribalism.
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Jesus and John Wayne: Kristin Du Mez
Conservatism Without Trumpism: David French
Is Conservative Christianity Anti-Intellectual?: Molly Worthen
Resources mentioned this episode
Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Du Mez
Tim Alberta's Atlantic article - 'How Politics Poisoned The Evangelical Church'
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription
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May 20, 2023 • 57min
104: Unabridged Interview: Greg Boyle
This is the unabridged interview with Greg Boyle.
How do you reteach love to a community that society has deemed unloveable?
In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1,000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this unrest, fear, and finger-pointing that Father Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work among gang members.
This eventually led him to start Homeboy Industries, which is now the largest gang-member rehabilitation and re-entry program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects: “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”
Show Notes:
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson
The Facts of Life: Pádraig Ó Tuama
Similar episodes
Resources mentioned this episode
Homeboy Industries website
Tattoos on the Heart by Greg Boyle
Barking to the Choir by Greg Boyle
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
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May 18, 2023 • 53min
104: Burying 250 Friends: Greg Boyle on Community Amidst Gang Violence (Best of NSE)
How do you reteach love to a community that society has deemed unloveable?
In the 80s and 90s, the city of Los Angeles was ravaged by what is now known as the "decade of death," a period of unprecedented gang violence, peaking at 1,000 killings in 1992 alone. It was in the midst of this unrest, fear, and finger-pointing that Father Greg Boyle became pastor of the poorest Catholic parish in the city, in order to live and work among gang members.
This eventually led him to start Homeboy Industries, which is now the largest gang-member rehabilitation and re-entry program in the world. In this episode, he tells some breathtaking stories, offering wisdom from a life lived in community with those who society neglects: “You don't go to the margins to make a difference. You go so the folks at the margins make you different.”
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson
The Facts of Life: Pádraig Ó Tuama
Resources mentioned this episode
Homeboy Industries website
Tattoos on the Heart by Greg Boyle
Barking to the Choir by Greg Boyle
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Transcription Link
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May 13, 2023 • 53min
103: Unabridged Interview: Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream
This is our unabridged interview with Ben Cohen of Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream
Show Notes:
Similar episodes
Peace, Justice, Ice Cream: Ben Cohen
Man Shall Not Live by Profit Alone: Jay Jakub
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
Resources mentioned this episode
Above the Law by Ben Cohen
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May 11, 2023 • 47min
103: Ben and Jerry's and a Better Capitalism: Ben Cohen and Jay Jakub
Is business just for making money?
Famed economist Milton Friedman once argued in favor of such a view, and his economic theory has been the teaching basis for the last 50 years of American capitalism.
But Ben Cohen, co-founder of world-famous Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream, thinks differently. In this episode, he discusses how he and Jerry found groundbreaking ways to go against the grain of the business world, giving away unprecedented amounts of profit, incorporating justice work into their company’s workflow, and speaking out in public against corruption. Also, economist Jay Jakub explains why profit-centered Capitalism is destined to fail, and what it might look like for a business to take a more holistic view of capital.
- Show Notes:
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Peace, Justice, Ice Cream: Ben Cohen
Man Shall Not Live by Profit Alone: Jay Jakub
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
Resources mentioned this episode
Above the Law by Ben Cohen
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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May 6, 2023 • 1h
102: Unabridged Interview: Anna Lembke
Anna Lembke, author of 'Dopamine Nation,' discusses the rise of pleasure-seeking and its impact on mental health. She explores dopamine, addiction, and self-binding, as well as embracing pain for well-being. The conversation delves into societal influences on individual choices and the importance of embracing truth and vulnerability for intimacy and recovery.