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Exploring what it means to live a good life. What does it mean to live a good life? What is true happiness? What are the habits, practices, and dispositions that contribute to authentic human flourishing? No Small Endeavor examines these questions with host Lee C. Camp. You'll hear from best-selling authors, philosophers, scientists, artists, psychologists, theologians and even the occasional politician—courageous, impassioned people taking seriously the question of how to live a good life. Striving for a good life is No Small Endeavor, and we’re here with you on the road. Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
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Nov 23, 2023 • 53min
131: NSE Thanksgiving Special: Conversation and Gratitude
Happy Thanksgiving!
How can one be grateful during difficult times? And how do we talk to one another in a polarized world?
In this episode, we bring you four conversations to tee you up for a successful and meaningful time with family and friends. First, we hear from six-time Grammy-winner Amy Grant on her newfound gratitude in the wake of a traumatic bike accident. Then, Heather Holleman gives us all practical tips on having great bonding conversations that make people feel seen and heard, transcending the things that divide us. Third, community organizer and activist Diane Latiker shares how she opened up her home and changed the trajectory of a neighborhood through hospitality. Lastly, author Oliver Burkeman reveals the key to living in the moment and transforming the mundane into something meaningful.
Altogether, it’s the perfect toolkit for getting in the right frame of mind and heading into the holidays with gratitude and conversation.
Show Notes:
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Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded
Heather Holleman: The Art of Conversation
America’s Gun Epidemic: David Hemenway, Chris Hays, Carly Crouch, and Diane Latiker
Oliver Burkeman: Time Management for Mortals
Resources mentioned this episode
4,000 Weeks by Oliver Burkeman
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Nov 16, 2023 • 55min
130: NSE Thanksgiving Special: No Small Endeavor Live at the Ryman
Every year on the Sunday before Thanksgiving, No Small Endeavor hosts a live variety show in downtown Nashville featuring esteemed musicians and guest speakers.
In 2022, we were joined at the world-famous Ryman Auditorium by Americana duo Johnnyswim and psychiatrist Curt Thompson. It was a night of laughter, story, and song, all to celebrate hospitality, vulnerability, and gratitude. In this episode, we feature some of the highlights from that show.
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The Power of Being Known: Curt Thompson
Reality TV, The Cuban Revolution, and a Disco Queen Mother: Johnnyswim
Welcome Table: A Thanksgiving Special
Resources mentioned this episode
The Soul of Shame by Curt Thompson
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Nov 14, 2023 • 52min
129: Unabridged Interview: Michael Budde
Should Christians condone war?
There is a long history of debate among Christians regarding the use of violence. Is “turning the other cheek” an excuse to take oppression lying down? Should Christians adhere to national military obligations? Is there such a thing as a “just war,” or is all killing anti-Christian?
Michael Budde has been studying these questions for a long time. In this episode, he discusses why he thinks Christians are called to total non-violence, why nationalism is responsible for many of the church’s historical failings, and what a counter-cultural version of faith might look like.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen
Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right
Resources mentioned this episode
Just War as Christian Discipleship by Daniel Bell
No Bars to Manhood by Daniel Berrigan
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript for Abridged Episode
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Nov 9, 2023 • 54min
129: Michael Budde: Is War Ever Just?
Should Christians condone war?
There is a long history of debate among Christians regarding the use of violence. Is “turning the other cheek” an excuse to take oppression lying down? Should Christians adhere to national military obligations? Is there such a thing as a “just war,” or is all killing anti-Christian?
Michael Budde has been studying these questions for a long time. In this episode, he discusses why he thinks Christians are called to total non-violence, why nationalism is responsible for many of the church’s historical failings, and what a counter-cultural version of faith might look like.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
Taking the Beatitudes Seriously: John Dear
The Business of War: Justin Barringer
Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen
Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right
Resources mentioned this episode
Just War as Christian Discipleship by Daniel Bell
No Bars to Manhood by Daniel Berrigan
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcription Link
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Nov 7, 2023 • 55min
128: Unabridged Interview: Jesuitical
This is our unabridged episode with Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless, co-hosts of Jesuitical.
Do young people care about religion?
Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless have good reason to think so. Together, they host the Jesuitical podcast, which explicitly calls itself “a podcast for young Catholics.”
“Most people are left with trying to solve 27-year-old problems with an eighth grade religious formation,” says Zac. The solution, they believe, is not to take one’s religion less seriously, but more.
In this episode, they discuss the landscape of faith for young people in today's culture, as well as some of the pressing issues of abuse and injustice that they believe the Church, and American society at large, must address.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
How Celebrity Culture is Hurting the Church: Katelyn Beaty
Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen
Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right
Resources mentioned this episode:
Jesuitical podcast
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript for Abridged Episode
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Nov 2, 2023 • 54min
128: Jesuitical: How Young Catholics See The World
Do young people care about religion?
Zac Davis and Ashley McKinless have good reason to think so. Together, they host the Jesuitical podcast, which explicitly calls itself “a podcast for young Catholics.”
“Most people are left with trying to solve 27-year-old problems with an eighth grade religious formation,” says Zac. The solution, they believe, is not to take one’s religion less seriously, but more.
In this episode, they discuss the landscape of faith for young people in today's culture, as well as some of the pressing issues of abuse and injustice that they believe the Church, and American society at large, must address.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
How Celebrity Culture is Hurting the Church: Katelyn Beaty
Actor and Activist: Martin Sheen
Randall Balmer: Race and the Rise of the Religious Right
Resources mentioned this episode:
Jesuitical podcast
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript Link
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Nov 1, 2023 • 48min
For Your Consideration: The Gist featuring Rainn Wilson and Eric Weiner
Today, we’re sharing a special episode from The Gist—hosted by Mike Pesca.
Rainn Wilson is the host of Peacock's The Geography Of Bliss, based on the book of the same name written by Eric Weiner. Like Weiner before him, Wilson (who played the legendary Dwight Schrute on The Office) travels the world in search of locally sourced happiness secrets. For some reason, Mike gives them both a hard time, and everyone winds up angrier at each other than one might expect from an exploration of bliss.
Mike Pesca has established a seven-year connection to his audience as host of The Gist. For thirty minutes each day, Pesca challenges himself and his audience, in a responsibly provocative style, and gets beyond the rigidity and dogma. The Gist is surprising, reasonable, and willing to critique the left, the right, either party, or any idea.
Listen to more episodes of The Gist and follow the podcast: https://pod.link/873667927
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Oct 31, 2023 • 1h 1min
127: Unabridged Interview: Kelly Corrigan
This is our unabridged episode with Kelly Corrigan.
“What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”
Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.
Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.”
In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded
William Paul Young: Author of The Shack
Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known
Resources mentioned this episode:
Tell Me More by Kelly Corrigan
The Middle Place by Kelly Corrigan
Tell Me More on PBS
Kelly Corrigan Wonders podcast
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript Link for Abridged Episode
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Oct 26, 2023 • 54min
127: Kelly Corrigan: How Vulnerability Leads to Connection
“What percentage of all pain in the world is related to wanting to belong?”
Kelly Corrigan - who you may know as a New York Times bestselling author and the host of a number of popular radio and TV shows - was a young mother of two when she and her beloved father were both diagnosed with cancer. It was, to say the least, an immensely difficult time.
Yet, she found her way through it by relying heavily on her tendency to be vulnerable, rather than hiding her pain from others. “It's just fodder for us to be closer,” she says of her suffering. “The point is to connect.”
In this episode, she shares her story, along with much wisdom gleaned from a life of leaning into vulnerability.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
Amy Grant: Fame, Vulnerability, and Staying Grounded
William Paul Young: Author of The Shack
Curt Thompson: The Power of Being Known
Resources mentioned this episode:
Tell Me More by Kelly Corrigan
The Middle Place by Kelly Corrigan
Tell Me More on PBS
Kelly Corrigan Wonders podcast
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript Link
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Oct 24, 2023 • 1h 16min
126: Unabridged Interview: Jennifer Wiseman
This is our unabridged episode with Jennifer Wiseman.
Astrophysicist Jennifer Wiseman is no stranger to wonder. Spending her days studying the formation of stars and planets, she often finds herself in awe of both the vastness of the universe and its intricate detail. She’s also a practicing Christian, who sees science as complementary rather than contrary to her faith.
And did we mention she discovered a comet while on a college field trip?
In this episode, taped in front of a live audience at Nashville’s Sudekum Planetarium under a projection of images from the James Webb Telescope, she discusses her work and her faith, and how their intersection might give helpful insight about the meaning of our lives.
Show Notes
Similar episodes:
Science, Faith, and Einstein: Alister McGrath
The Francis Collins Interview
The (Not Really) War Between Science and Faith: David Wilkinson
Resources mentioned this episode:
Webb Telescope Website
PDF of Lee’s Interview Notes
Transcript for Abridged Episode
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