
Scott Horton Show - Just the Interviews
This podcast is for individual interviews on the Scott Horton Show. See the Q & A show feed to hear Scott answer listener questions and for the full show archives.Scott Horton is the author of Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan, and is the host of the Scott Horton Show podcast. He has conducted over 5,500 interviews with authors, journalists, activists, and whistleblowers on the most important foreign policy issues since 2003.
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Aug 29, 2022 • 33min
8/27/22 Trita Parsi on Biden’s Last Chance to Save the JCPOA
Scott was joined by Trita Parsi to discuss JCPOA negotiations on yesterday’s Antiwar Radio show. Parsi recently published a piece in Foreign Affairs arguing that the U.S. should return to the deal and that the current negotiations are the final chance to reach an agreement. He observes that even if we don’t care at all about the well-being of the Iranian people, staying out of the deal is costing American taxpayers and businesses. Scott and Parsi examine the common arguments against the deal and show how they all fall apart upon closer examination. They conclude that the real reason hawks oppose the JCPOA is that it takes away their favorite excuse for war in the middle east. Parsi argues that everyone who actually wants peace should support reentrance into the deal and institutionalized communication between Washington and Tehran.Discussed on the show:
“Last Chance For America and Iran” (Foreign Affairs)
Treacherous Alliance by Trita Parsi
Trita Parsi is the Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and the author of Losing an Enemy: Obama, Iran and the Triumph of Diplomacy. Parsi is the recipient of the 2010 Grawemeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order. Follow him on Twitter @tparsi.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 25, 2022 • 40min
8/22/22 Hunter DeRensis on Loser Liz Cheney’s Awful Legacy
Scott speaks with Hunter DeRensis about the legacy of Liz Cheney. Although the Wyoming Congresswoman recently lost her primary, she seems determined to take a shot at national office. But even if we’re not done with her yet, it’s still worth taking a look back at how terrible she’s been throughout her career. Scott and DeRensis explore some of her worst episodes: things like throwing her sister under the bus on gay marriage, aggressively defending torture, telling McCain to shut up about torture, labeling Guantanamo detainee lawyers as members of Al Qaeda, trying to use a War Powers resolution to keep U.S. forces in Afghanistan last year and more. Discussed on the show:
“Loser Liz Cheney: We knew ye, and that was the problem” (Responsible Statecraft)
“The ‘explosive’ Russian bounty story is so far, a dud” (Responsible Statecraft)
Willie Geist’s “I love Dick Cheney?” moment on MSNBC
VP Cheney’s Speech at VFW 103rd National Convention
Hunter DeRensis is an editor at the Libertarian Institute, a former senior reporter at The National Interest, and a regular contributor to The American Conservative. His work has also appeared at the Ludwig von Mises Institute and Antiwar.com. He is a resident of St. Augustine, Florida, and a graduate of George Mason University. Find him on his website or on Twitter @HunterDeRensis.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 25, 2022 • 1h 18min
8/19/22 Peter Van Buren’s “Neopracticalist” Take on Taiwan
Scott interviews writer and State Department veteran Peter Van Buren about Taiwan. Van Buren is sticking with his assessment that a Chinese invasion of Taiwan will not happen because there’s too much money to be lost if trade between China, Taiwan and the U.S. takes a hit. However, he does fault the American government for doing its best to escalate the conflict. In this interview, he talks with Scott about Pelosi’s visit, the early history of the Taiwan conflict, China’s current navy, the narrative that China is already waging economic war on the U.S. and more. Discussed on the show:
“How Does Asia Feel About Nancy Pelosi?” (The American Conservative)
“Nancy's Pointless Trip to Taiwan” (The American Conservative)
“Strategic Ambiguity Works” (The American Conservative)
China’s White Paper on Taiwan
American Factory (IMDb)
“Why Bombs Made in America Have Been Killing Civilians in Yemen” (New York Times)
“China: From Death Camp to Civilization” (LewRockwell.com)
Peter Van Buren worked for 24 years at the Department of State including a year in Iraq. He is the author of We Meant Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People and the novel Hooper’s War. He is now a contributing editor at The American Conservative magazine.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 23, 2022 • 34min
8/19/22 Shane McCarver Debunks Petraeus’s Lies in the Atlantic
Scott talks with Shane McCarver about an article he published last week at Antiwar.com challenging the wild assertions David Petraeus made in his Atlantic article earlier this month. Despite its length, Petraeus makes almost no concrete claims in his piece. Instead, he spends 10,000 words to make vague notions about grit and commitment that conveniently protect him from blame. One of the few specific arguments he does make, however, is that the U.S. should have supplied the Afghan National Army with more Russian-made MI-17 helicopters. McCarver was a soldier in Afghanistan working on this exact task up until the collapse of the ANA last summer. He explains to Scott why Petraeus’s argument that more helicopters could have prevented the Taliban’s victory is absurd. Discussed on the show:
“In Rebuke of the Dishonorable David Petraeus” (Antiwar.com)
“Afghanistan Did Not Have To Turn Out This Way” (The Atlantic)
Shane McCarver was a soldier in the United States army from 2013-2017. He worked as a logistics analyst on the DOD contract maintaining the MI-17 helicopters and the PC-12 fixed wing aircraft of the Afghan Air Force and Afghan Army Special Mission Wing from November 2018 until July 2021. He has since found honest work as a shipping coordinator for a manufacturer in Newport, New Hampshire.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 22, 2022 • 30min
8/19/22 Sheldon Richman on America’s Totalitarian Tax System
Scott interviews the Libertarian Institute executive editor Sheldon Richman about a column he put out last Friday. In it, he discusses the massive boost Biden’s spending bill gives the IRS. Richman explains why strengthening tax enforcement will disproportionally hurt non-wealthy Americans. That leads to a broader discussion of how totalitarian the tax system in the United States has become and how much worse it’s slated to get thanks to this expansion. Discussed on the show:
“TGIF: The Coming New and Improved IRS” (The Libertarian Institute)
“Lottery!” (IMDb)
Your Money or Your Life: Why We Must Abolish the Income Tax by Sheldon Richman
Sheldon Richman is the executive editor of the Libertarian Institute and the author of Coming to Palestine and America’s Counter-Revolution: The Constitution Revisited. Follow him on Twitter @SheldonRichman.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 21, 2022 • 31min
8/19/22 Shireen Al-Adeimi on the Fragile Houthi-Saudi Truce and the Myth of Iranian Intervention in Yemen
Scott was joined by Shireen Al-Adeimi on Antiwar Radio this week to discuss the fragile truce in Yemen. In this interview, she updates us on the state of the ceasefire and the issues facing its continuation. She also explains the historical context behind Saudi Arabia’s intervention in Yemen. Lastly, Scott and Al-Adeimi puncture the myths of Iranian involvement in the current war. Discussed on the show:
“How long will the fragile truce in Yemen last?” (Responsible Statecraft)
“Yemeni Civil War Unleashes a Plague of Locusts” (Antiwar.com)
“The Houthis Are Not Hezbollah” (Foreign Policy)
Shireen Al-Adeimi is a non-resident fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and an assistant professor of Education at Michigan State. She conducts research on language and literacy and writes frequently about Yemen. Follow her on Twitter @shireen818.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 17, 2022 • 33min
8/13/22 Kyle Anzalone on the Week’s Biggest Foreign Policy News Stories
Kyle Anzalone of the Libertarian Institute and Antiwar.com was back on Antiwar Radio on Sunday to run through all the biggest news stories taking place this week. He and Scott talk about Kosovo, Crimea, NATO expansion, Kaliningrad, Ukrainian grain, New START and Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan. Discussed on the show:
Antiwar.com News
Libertarian Institute News
Kyle Anzalone is news editor of the Libertarian Institute, opinion editor of Antiwar.com and co-host of Conflicts of Interest with Will Porter. Follow him on Twitter @KyleAnzalone_This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 17, 2022 • 49min
8/12/22 Daniel Davis on the Myth that Victory in Afghanistan Was Possible
Scott talks with Daniel Davis about David Petraeus's latest attempt to rewrite the history of the war in Afghanistan. Davis knows firsthand how the war actually played out back when Petraeus was in charge because his job required him to travel all over the country. The mismatch between what he witnessed and how it was all being presented to the American people convinced him to break rank and go public. In this interview, he debunks the claim that the war in Afghanistan could have been won, and he rips the media for continuing to listen to men like Petraeus, whose history of lying about the war is not even controversial.Discussed on the show:
“David Petraeus Is Wrong” (19fortyfive)
“Go Big or Go Deep” — Davis’s 2009 Report
Blunt Vietnam Vet Marine Tells You Exactly What Happened To Him
“The Afghanistan Papers” (Washington Post)
“Afghanistan Did Not Have to Turn Out This Way” (The Atlantic)
Daniel Davis did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan during his time in the army. He is a Senior Fellow at Defense Priorities and is the author of the reports “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leaders’ Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” and “Go Big or Go Deep: An Analysis of Strategy Options on Afghanistan.” Find him on Twitter @DanielLDavis1.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 15, 2022 • 41min
8/12/22 Matthieu Aikins on the Many Problems Facing Afghanistan Today
Scott interviews journalist and author Matthieu Aikins about life in Afghanistan one year after the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Having spent a lot of time in the country, Aikins is able to give a nuanced and detailed account of the problems facing Afghans and how they’re addressing them. He speaks with Scott about the country’s economic problems, rifts within the Taliban and the apparent killing of Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri in Kabul at the end of July. Discussed on the show:
“The Taliban’s Dangerous Collision Course With the West” (NYT Magazine)
“11 Years After Trying to Kill Each Other, a Marine and a Talib Meet Again” (New York Times)
Mathieu Aikins is an international freelance journalist and author of the book The Naked Don’t Fear the Water: A Journey Through the Refugee Underground. Follow him on Twitter @mattaikins.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Aug 15, 2022 • 29min
8/12/22 Ben Freeman on how Taiwan and Other Foreign Governments Control American Foreign Policy
Ben Freeman is back to talk about who’s really influencing United States foreign policy. Freeman recently wrote a paper about the Taiwan lobby. He talks to Scott about how this Taiwan lobby was involved in making the recent Pelosi trip happen. Scott and Freeman talk about how we find ourselves in a situation where foreign governments have more influence on America’s policies than the American people and American business too. Discussed on the show:
“The Taiwan Lobby” (Center for International Policy)
“How the Taiwan lobby helped pave the way for Pelosi’s trip” (Responsible Statecraft)
“Bipartisan ‘Fighting Foreign Influence Act’ targets think tank funding” (Responsible Statecraft)
“The well-traveled road from member of Congress to foreign agent” (Responsible Statecraft)
“Feds accuse Brookings president Gen. Allen of illegally lobbying for Qatar” (Responsible Statecraft)
Ben Freeman is a Research Fellow at the Quincy Institute. He previously served as Director of the Foreign Influence Transparency Initiative with the Center for International Policy. Read his work at Antiwar.com and Responsible Statecraft. Follow him on Twitter @BenFreemanDC.This episode of the Scott Horton Show is sponsored by: The War State and Why The Vietnam War?, by Mike Swanson; Tom Woods’ Liberty Classroom; ExpandDesigns.com/Scott; and Thc Hemp Spot.Shop Libertarian Institute merch or donate to the show through Patreon, PayPal or Bitcoin: 1DZBZNJrxUhQhEzgDh7k8JXHXRjYu5tZiG. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices