
Secret Leaders with Dan Murray-Serter & Chris Donnelly
Dan Murray-Serter and Chris Donnelly are two serial entrepreneurs who've built, sold, scaled & failed companies worth hundreds of millions of dollars. In Secret Leaders we get inside the greatest minds and greatest moments in business, because we believe the best way to learn about business is to hear from the people who make it happen.Sponsored by Wise Business and Vanta.Contact: hello@secretleaders.com
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Jul 14, 2022 • 13min
How I failed: “I didn’t actually believe in the business, I just wanted to work for myself”, with Founder Amelia Sordell
Today, Amelia Sordell runs a booming personal branding agency called Klowt, but back in 2015, aged 21, she had just founded Eitherside, a fashion brand for women who wanted to dress up for a night out - but without the luxury price tag. Only eight months after starting the company, Amelia was faced with taking out a loan she would have to personally guarantee, or shutting it down. She chose the latter. Listen to find out what went wrong, and how she finally overcame that failure after nearly ten years. ...We'd love your feedback:
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Jul 12, 2022 • 52min
Dan Murray-Serter, Chapter 3: ‘I’d decided life was meaningless’ - my battle with bulimia, anxiety, depression and insomnia
You wouldn’t sign up for a terrible experience but they’re a breeding ground for the best stories, and the most personal growth. It’s no different for today’s guest and the usual host of Secret Leaders, Dan Murray-Serter, who opens up about his biggest traumas… which became the biggest turning points in his life.This is the third chapter in our semi-regular series with Dan. If you haven’t listened to the first or second it’s worth doing that now because you’ll understand the periods he’s talking about in this episode. Dan today has become pretty synonymous with the mental health space. His VC backed startup Heights is trying to create a new category of braincare - but he wasn’t always like this. In fact, he didn’t even think he had mental health issues despite having had a shopping list of problems over the years. When the penny dropped for Dan, it dropped hard.Find out what Dan went through - and what he learnt about how to spend your time on this earth.--SponsorsVorboss - get better internet: https://vorboss.com/secretleadersVanta - get 20% off security certifications like ISO27001 and SOC2: https://vanta.com/secretleadersVertice - save on your SaaS or cloud spend ($5k off or a free benchmark) using the code secretleaders: https://www.vertice.one/l/secretleaders--NewsletterSign up here: https://secretleaders.email/You can find our historic newsletters here: https://www.secretleaders.com/episodes

Jul 7, 2022 • 13min
How I failed: “We were so convinced that we were among the few that would make it to IPO”, with multi-exit entrepreneur Touraj Parang
Touraj Parang today has multiple exits under his belt, has sat on both sides of the deal table - and has written a book literally called "Exit Path: How to Win the Startup End Game". But the reason he’s become such an authority on exits is what we’re discussing today - his failed startup Jaxtr.Jaxtr was a way to make phone calls over the internet in the period 2005 - 2009, before stuff like Whatsapp calling was really a thing. They’d done really well according to some metrics - they had 10 million users but then their world collapsed.Find out what happened and what Touraj learnt from it....We'd love your feedback:
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Jul 5, 2022 • 48min
GoHenry: Creating a new category with other parents after kids racked up bills, with Co-Founder & COO Louise Hill
Louise Hill is the Co-Founder and COO of GoHenry, a debit card and financial education app for children which has two million users. The starting point for Louise was noticing her kids buying stuff on iTunes without her permission. She then found out other children were spending money on all sorts of things without them or their parents realising it. So, after chatting with two dads whose kids went to the same school, they decided to do something about it. This is the story of how Louise turned GoHenry into a category creator - and they’re now taking on the US.We talk about:
The difference between an entrepreneur and not
The problem with children and money
The origin story of GoHenry
What she learnt from her first startup failure
How she met her two co-founders
The last woman standing
Handling pressure
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Jun 30, 2022 • 13min
How I failed: “I didn’t want to tell them I’ve reached the end of my rope”, with journalist Emma Gunavardhana
Emma Gunavardhana, or Emma Guns as she’s often known started her career with a bang. She landed her dream job early doors - editing OK Magazine back when that was a really big deal. But when she left the comfort of that job to make it as a solopreneur, everything went to pot. Wind forward four years and Emma was at her lowest ebb, considering selling her car and moving back in with her parents at the age of 38 - a has-been who couldn’t make it in London.Find out what happened and what she learnt is the key to pulling yourself out of the abyss....We'd love your feedback:
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Jun 28, 2022 • 47min
What3Words: Why an injury can be the best thing to happen to you, with Co-Founder & CEO Chris Sheldrick
We normally can’t see it at the time but bad things often play a critical role in good things happening. As Steve Jobs famously said, it’ll make sense looking backwards. This is exactly what happened to Chris Sheldrick who had plans to be a professional bassoonist but a freak injury changed the course of life.Chris is now the Co-Founder and CEO of What3Words, an alarmingly simple solution to a complex problem you didn’t know we had - addresses.Lots of places don’t have addresses - like a barge on a canal, or a spot on a mountainside. This makes it difficult to deliver or do things at those addresses so Chris’s solution was to turn the world into 57 trillion 3-metre squares and give each of those squares a three word name, e.g. house, dog, car.But it’s one thing haven’t a genius idea. It’s another thing executing on it. Find out how Chris has done it.We talk about:
Why a young kid would play the bassoon
How sleepwalking can go wrong
Why being polarising is good
How to raise funds
Using What3Words to help in disasters
The business model
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Jun 23, 2022 • 13min
How I failed: short-form video platform that got crushed by TikTok, with Jess Butcher MBE
Ok, ok - it’s not all about your name or your competitors - but Jess Butcher was kicking herself when she came across TikTok shortly after launching Tick.Done. with her Co-Founders in 2018. Tick.Done. was also a short form video platform which made things confusing. Jess’s friends regularly congratulated her on her success, only for Jess to admit that TikTok, the thing they were hearing about everywhere, wasn’t her business. And pretty quickly it was the end for them.Jess is a legend - you just want to talk to her - and she’s a top entrepreneur. But this is her failure story. Find out what happened and what she learnt from it. Feedback:
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Jun 16, 2022 • 12min
How I failed: the non-alcoholic drink which got pulled from the shelves, with Richard Clark, Founder of Drynks
Richard Clark is now the Founder and MD of Drynks, a non-alcoholic drinks business which raised money on Dragons Den and is growing strongly. But a few years ago he launched another non alcoholic drink, Iron Press, which had a very different outcome. Having enjoyed huge success at Halewood International with Crabbie’s Ginger Beer, Richard and his team found it easy to get into retailers, but it was then the problems started.Find out what went wrong and what he learnt from it. ...We'd love your feedback:
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Jun 9, 2022 • 11min
How I failed: 37 jobs by the age of 24, with Krisi Smith, Founder of Bird & Blend
We’ve all made mistakes. Many of us have had short-lived jobs. And many of us have been fired. But getting through 37 jobs by the time you’re 24 is quite a haul. That’s what happened to Krisi Smith, the Founder of Bird & Blend, a booming tea company. But before she found her groove, she found she couldn’t hold down a job.This is the story of what happened and what she learnt from it....We'd love your feedback:
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Jun 7, 2022 • 58min
Beyond: shorting your rival’s stock for $700m but losing the war, with Founder & CEO Ian Strang
80% to 90% of startups fail. But what those stats don't tell you is how you can do loads of things right and still fail. This is what happened to Ian Strang and the company he founded, Beyond, who tried to shake up the death industry - offering price comparisons, wills, funerals, probate - those kinds of things. They certainly managed to do that. They landed some blows, but ultimately they lost the war.This is Ian’s story, told a few months after his company failed. He and his team came up with some ingenious ideas which led to press, shorting stocks and ultimately the regulation of the death industry itself. But that’s not how things ended.We talk about:
The demanding childhood which shaped his life
His first startup
Meeting Alan Sugar’s son
Quitting Pollen because it was too much fun
The bizarre circumstance for first pitching Beyond
The problem with monetising death
How to grow through SEO
The April fool’s joke that yielded big publicity
Shorting Dignity for $700m
How to get the CMA on your side
What is a bad advert anyway
Auctioning your company
The reality of being an entrepreneur
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