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May 21, 2023 • 50min
#58 - TA McCann - Professional Sailor, Serial Entrepreneur (5x Founder with 3 Exits), Managing Director at Pioneer Square Labs
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T.A. McCann is a serial entrepreneur with an impressive track record. He has founded and served as CEO of several successful companies. Some notable ventures include Senosis (acquired by Google), Gist (acquired by Blackberry), and Rival IQ, a leading company in marketing analytics.
McCann's expertise extends beyond founding companies. He has also held senior roles at Microsoft, where he led divisions such as Exchange and the Mobile Services divisions. Additionally, he has worked as an EIR (Entrepreneur in Residence) at Polaris Venture Partners and Vulcan Capital.
Full conversation includes:
Becoming a professional sailor
Working at microsoft exchange
Starting 5+ companies (3 exits)
Working for Paul Allen & building Startup Studio Vulcan Labs
Selling Gist to Blackberry
Rival IQ
Synosis (acq by Google)
Pioneer Square Labs
Systematic customer discovery & customer development process
Advice to entrepreneurs raising capital
Is AI a step change?
Who will capture value in AI? Big tech or startups?
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May 14, 2023 • 6min
#57: How to Run Innovation Sessions with Bill Gates to Solve World Problems?
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Taylor Black who co-founded Fizzy Inc. Post Fizzy Taylor worked at Innovation Science Fund & currently works as a Principal Product Manager at the Office of the CTO Incubator at Microsoft.
Transcript:
[00:00:00] Nataraj: I looked at the portfolio there then
it's completely deep tech, uh, and sort of like invention based, uh, ideas.
[00:00:08] Nataraj: Uh, so what was the process of like
capturing and invention and taking and productizing it and, you know, making a
return out of it? Like what was the thinking process there?
[00:00:20] Taylor: So the, uh, and you can read Malcolm
Gladwell's take on this in a, in an article where he described our invention
sessions. Um, a and the invention sessions are a bit of a riff on like an
innovation session or an envisioning session or things along those lines where
you, you come up with wild ideas within a particular problem space, um, in a
very unfettered sort of, Um, and the whole goal of this session is to generate
as many ideas as possible.
[00:00:52] Taylor: That's the sole ROI you're looking for
in those sessions. Um, but there's certain conditions you set for success in
those [00:01:00] sessions. And so the way that
we ran those sessions, and I, and I, I ran, uh, a number of them, um, is that
we would prepare for months ahead of time in gathering all of the materials
that related to the problem.
[00:01:14] Taylor: and by materials I mean the scientific
research in a particular problem space, the, uh, market, uh, and startup landscapes
of that particular problem space. Um, uh, things that people had written about
it. Books, articles, um, you know, YouTube videos, everything, uh, along those
lines. And the goal was to, um, inform.
[00:01:43] Taylor: Kind of the fermentation moment of
when you're thinking about a problem, all of these things w wouldn't
themselves, um, not be a solution necessarily, but there are all the things
that someone who wanted to be completely informed or as, as, as informed and
possible as possible about a set of [00:02:00]
problems. Um, Had all of the raw material there.
[00:02:03] Taylor: We'd also do customer discovery, we'd
do customer interviews to understand those pain points. We'd bring people in,
um, uh, and run sessions with them where they would, you know, get deep into
their own, um, the problems they were encountering so that everybody who is,
and everybody who's part of the sessions had to.
[00:02:22] Taylor: Understand those materials, uh,
deeply. We'd even quiz them on occasion. Um, it also helped that, uh, bill
Gates, um, uh, whenever he came to those sessions, he would have all of those
materials like completely groced. And so you, you know, you needed to have them
groced too so that you didn't, you know, uh, lose face in front of Bill.
[00:02:44] Taylor: But, um, Uh, but the key, so we'd,
we'd get everybody, all of those materials and have them go through them, uh, a
good month or so before the actual sessions happened. Um, that gave everybody
an, an even playing [00:03:00] field in terms
of, you know, I may be a physicist, I may be a biz dev person, I may be, um, an
attorney.
[00:03:06] Taylor: I may be, uh, you know, a program
manager, but I have all of the same raw material. Uh, and my own perspective on
it that I can bring to these sessions. The sessions themselves, them, um, were
set around particular problem spaces and we'd start, we'd start each, um,
session and then there's a variety of different kinds of sessions that we ram.
[00:03:28] Taylor: Um, Uh, with a lot of provocations, a
lot of conversation, a lot of like wild thinking and post-it notes and
whiteboards of just dumping ideas out, uh, that had occurred to people or
occurred in conversation or happened in the, in the hallway outside. Um, and we
get all those ideas down, documenting everything.

May 7, 2023 • 3min
#56: Why Wordpress dominates internet?
#56: Why Wordpress dominates internet?

Apr 30, 2023 • 3min
#55: What is the insurance against Innovation Dilemma?
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Taylor Black who co-founded Fizzy Inc. Post Fizzy Taylor worked at Innovation Science Fund & currently works as a Principal Product Manager at the Office of the CTO Incubator at Microsoft.
Transcript:
[00:00:00] Nataraj: To me it always made sense for large
companies to have some kind of incubator or accelerator model because one of
the reasons I think we are seeing in this bear cycle, sort of like when the
wave sort of, you know, falls down, you see who's naked scenario.
[00:00:17] Nataraj: Um, I think any company which
survives multi decades has to have multiple large businesses. Mm-hmm. . I think
in a lot of ways, I mean, looking back, a lot of companies didn't, uh, look for
long-term opportunities as much as they should. Like we can talk about like,
uh, Amazon, you know, putting billion dollars into their phone, but I would
argue the potential on the upside of suckers was so high they should have put
in, you know, one more billion and tried the next version.
[00:00:50] Nataraj: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. , uh, and I. , like
argue the same with Facebook in a sense. Like now they're doing this metaverse
thing. [00:01:00] Um, and sort of again
retreating that back now. But I feel like even Facebook with all its cash flow,
uh, didn't really think, um, because they always self constrained themselves to
be a social company.
[00:01:14] Nataraj: Um, like I think that's sort of like
a self-imposed mental model on themselves. Mm-hmm. , like, uh, I would not
impose themselves like a social company. Yeah. You work good at Facebook and
WhatsApp, but I mean, look at how many great technologies that came out from
Facebook, open source community and like putting that social as a blanket on
your company.
[00:01:34] Nataraj: I think. Set a backstage for all
these technologies, which could be, you know, productionized and, you know,
capitalized. Mm-hmm. . Right. Uh, that's, I feel like a lot of companies,
especially the large companies, are with very good cash flow sort of mixed out
on business opportunities because of that reason.
[00:01:50] Nataraj: That's my personal view on like, , a
lot of companies could have it if it is well run. Mm-hmm. . Um, and should have
it because of this reason. Right? Mm-hmm. , it's sort of [00:02:00] like you are the innovation dilemma that
you'll encounter at some point as a large company, and you have to have a sort
of a backup backstopping mechanism to that innovation dilemma, which every
company will eventually face.
[00:02:12] Nataraj: Mm-hmm. , um, So I feel like the
innovation, uh, accelerator or the incubator would sort of act as that, uh, you
know, that part of small investment, it's sort of like an insurance to the, uh,
to innovation dyna that you would eventually encounter anyways, uh,
[00:02:28] Taylor: , I think you're right.
[00:02:28] Taylor: There's a, there's an inherent problem
there too, though, is that, um, uh, innovation is inherently a yo low yield. .
Um, and so within, and it's my kind of rule of thumb, that within two or three
years of any program like ours existence, um, finance is gonna come and say,
where's the revenue? Where's the roi? And if you don't have a data driven way
of showing your, your anticipated revenue, your anticipated ROI on the basis of
your activities, then uh, [00:03:00] it's entirely
legitimate that you get.
[00:03:02] Taylor: There's a, there's a, there's data
driven ways of showing that the whole venture ecosystem depends on the fact
that you're able to show future revenue on the basis of what you're doing now.
Uh, that's how you raise funds, right? Um, and so every, uh, innovation program
inside an enterprise has to have that same data-driven hygiene.
For full conversation check out Episode 53.

Apr 23, 2023 • 4min
#54: How Techstars Seattle Works & How Should Founders Think About It?
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Marius Ciocirlan who co-founded ShareGrid, a marketplace for filmmakers and photographers to rent and sell their equipment. It was acquired by Backstage and is now Managing Director of Techstars Seattle. Techstars expanded to Seattle in 2010, and since then more than 130 companies have gone through the program & collectively gone on to raise more than $2.5 billion in capital.
Full Transcript:
[00:00:00] Nataraj: So Techstars is an, you know,
traditionally what we call as an accelerator, right? Yeah. Uh, so what are the
founders really getting outta, um, joining tech?
[00:00:09] Marius: Yeah, for sure. So, um, the Tech
Techstars program essentially, uh, falls into almost three phases. So it's a 13
week program and it's kind of, uh, set up in three phases. The first phase is
customer discovery, so we worked with you to ensure that like, , you truly
understand who your customer is and what are they buying from you.
[00:00:31] Marius: Like, you know, you, you would be
surprised how many people have an idea of who their customer is, but it's not
clearly defined. They don't really understand why that customer is interested
in their product. So even companies that are farther along, we find. , it's
always good to like really reflect on who your customer is.
[00:00:50] Marius: So the first phase is customer
discovery. Second phase is go to market and execution, which is more important
nowadays, especially given the market [00:01:00]
situation. More important than ever to actually gain real traction in your
business and prove out that your business has some product market fit. And
product market fit can mean different things at different stages.
[00:01:12] Marius: But at least in your initial M V P,
there needs to be some product market fit. And then the third phase is we're
preparing you to go out in front of investors. So we're working on your pitch
deck, we're working on your delivery, we're working on all of your documents,
uh, getting you ready to ensure that you're ready for, uh, investors and
putting you in front of investors.
Full version at thestartupproject.io

Apr 16, 2023 • 56min
#53 Taylor Black - Innovation Science Fund & Microsoft Incubator
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Taylor Black who co-founded Fizzy Inc. Post Fizzy Taylor worked at Innovation Science Fund & currently works as a Principal Product Manager at the Office of the CTO Incubator at Microsoft.
Full Conversation includes:
Starting a company during law school
Running a WordPress server farm
Why WordPress still dominates internet?
Working at Innovation Science Fund
Running innovation sessions attended by Entrepreneurs, Nobel laureates, Scientists & Bill Gates
Fundamental technology breakthrough in Metamaterials
Funding Starlink competitor
Incubator inside Microsoft for the Office of the CTO
Measuring Innovation inside large organizations
You can connect with Taylor here on LinkedIn.

Apr 9, 2023 • 3min
#52: What is Sharegrid & how it got started?
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Marius Ciocirlan who co-founded ShareGrid, a marketplace for filmmakers and photographers to rent and sell their equipment. It was acquired by Backstage and is now Managing Director of Techstars Seattle. Techstars expanded to Seattle in 2010, and since then more than 130 companies have gone through the program & collectively gone on to raise more than $2.5 billion in capital.
Full Transcript:
[00:00:00] So you decided you
want to be in tech. Then how did, uh, your, uh, company start, uh, share grid?
[00:00:06] Yeah, so she
started, um, actually the idea was kind of originated while I was, was working
our group on both my co-founder and I, Raj. He was, he was, he went to film,
well he went to photography school. I, uh, uh, I believe it was more of like a
media communication, uh, background.
[00:00:24] But he ended up in
tech as well. He was a designer and front end developer and um, he was a
longtime photographer and we would take walks all the time and. , he, he sold
his previous company to Groupon, so he's been very entrepreneurial himself and
we were always kicking around ideas of potential startups that we could start.
[00:00:47] And one of the ideas
was, uh, it derived from him trying to sell some of his equipment. He was like,
I really want this new lens, but I already have so many lenses. How do I
justify kind. [00:01:00] Investing more money
into more equipment when I'm not even using the equipment I already have. So
that was kind of the thread that we started to talk about the idea, and
essentially the idea was a lot of filmmakers, photographers invest.
[00:01:15] Quite a bit of
capital into, uh, equipment, into, into different, uh, cameras, lenses, audio
equipment, lighting equipment, and it's very, very expensive. I mean, we're
talking thousands of dollars for a camera or lens. Sometimes for film
equipment, you're looking at 40, $50,000 for cinema camera, and that doesn't
count all the additional accessories and, and everything else you need.
[00:01:41] I knew about this
from my prior film years, and I had a lot of friends who after school, their,
their thinking was, if I invest a bit of money into equipment, the chances of
me being hired, uh, will increase. Because the film world is actually a very
much [00:02:00] a gig economy, freelance type
of world. So they were thinking, if we invest in, in this equipment, uh, I will
stand amongst the rest and like be hired more frequently.
[00:02:10] That doesn't always
happen. So you invest all this money, but your monthly payments are coming in
every day, every, every month. , but you're not always getting hired. That
equipment's not always being used. So Arra and I saw that opportunity of like,
there's all this idle equipment. What if you were to rent that equipment out,
similar to other pure tope economies, like, uh, like u you know, like Airbnb,
um, So we had the idea and we essentially wanted to validate if this is
something that other people would be interested in First.
[00:02:43] I spoke to a lot of
my friends from Phil School and everybody said, It's a great idea, but what
about if somebody steals my equipment while they're renting it? They don't come
back with the equipment. So that was always kind of the big challenge that we
had to face. But, but that's how the [00:03:00]
idea, just to answer your question, that's how the idea kind of derived is just
from a personal need and also just a brainstorm of ideas.
[00:03:07] So it was
essentially a marketplace for renting, uh, camera and other high-end equipment
for production.
[00:03:14] Exactly. Exactly.

Apr 2, 2023 • 2min
#51: Working in Tech vs Movie Business
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In this episode Nataraj spoke to Marius Ciocirlan who co-founded ShareGrid, a marketplace for filmmakers and photographers to rent and sell their equipment. It was acquired by Backstage and is now Managing Director of Techstars Seattle. Techstars expanded to Seattle in 2010, and since then more than 130 companies have gone through the program & collectively gone on to raise more than $2.5 billion in capital.
Full Transcript:
[00:00:00] So I was like, you
know, working on Samsung, making videos and then also like working on sets,
like reality TV shows and stuff like that, while at the same time doing a
startup and. Uh, learning UX design. So I had to make a decision. I couldn't do
both. And the reason I decided to go into tech, I remember having this kind of
conversation with my significant other, is that in film it's a very traditional
career path, meaning, In order to become a cinematographer or a director or a
producer, you have to pay your dues.
[00:00:35] Like there is very
strict rules about what certain people could do on a set and what they can't
do, like. I've been told in my position as a production assistant was like, you
are not allowed to move that equipment. You're not allowed to move that chair
because the union, you don't belong to that union.
[00:00:53] So it's actually
like a safety regulation or. It was a very traditional kind of [00:01:00] career path, and I realized that like I
was not going to reach my dream of becoming a cinematographer or director well
into my forties, probably fifties, and it was gonna take a long time where in
tech it was actually the complete opposite.
[00:01:18] The younger you
were, the more respect you got and almost the more opportunities you received.
So my goal was always like, I really enjoyed. and it seems like doors are just
really opening, people are just much more supportive. If you have big
ambitions, you don't have to like, wait in line and wait your turn.
[00:01:38] You could just act on
those ambitions. Uh, so it just felt like a much friendlier community and just
more embracing. So, um, it went towards tech and I, I always planned like at
some point in my career, I'll make it in tech and then I'll come back at an
older age and a film and I'll be a producer and I'll fund my own films or uh, [00:02:00] documentaries or whatever, whatever that
might be.

Mar 26, 2023 • 38min
#50: Marius Ciocirlan - Managing Director Techstars Seattle, Co-Founder of Sharegrid (Acq by Backstage)
To stay up to date checkout thestartupproject.io & follow Nataraj on twitter: @natarajsindam
In this episode Nataraj spoke to Marius Ciocirlan who co-founded ShareGrid, a marketplace for filmmakers and photographers to rent and sell their equipment. It was acquired by Backstage and is now Managing Director of Techstars Seattle. Techstars expanded to Seattle in 2010, and since then more than 130 companies have gone through the program & collectively gone on to raise more than $2.5 billion in capital.
Full Conversation includes:
How skateboarding led do film school
Raising funds via grants
Startup weekends
Early days at Groupon Mobile Team
Origin story and cofounding Sharegrid (acquired by Backstage)
Joining Techstars Seattle as Managing Director
What's special about Techstars Seattle?
How founders should think about Techstars Seattle
If you are founder and is interested in applying to TechStars Seattle you can get in touch with Marius at marius.ciocirlan@techstars.com

Mar 21, 2023 • 10min
#49 Insidious Loops in Indian Startup Ecosystem (TSP Insights)
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Deedy & Nataraj talk about
Why is there no criticism about Indian startups in Indian media?
What are the insidious loops in Indian startup ecosystem?
Don't forget to follow Deedy's opinions at @debarghya_das!
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