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The Modern People Leader
Listen to interviews with CHROs, Chief People Officers, and other work experts on how they're pioneering the way that we work. They share what's working, what's not, and how they've gotten to where they're at in their careers.
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Mar 22, 2022 • 50min
60 - Mita Mallick (Co-Host of Brown Table Talk Podcast / Head of Inclusion, Equity, & Impact at Carta)
Mita Mallick, co-host of the Brown Table Talk podcast and Head of Equity, Inclusion, & Impact at Carta, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about the importance of belonging, the big disconnect between the billions of dollars being invested in DEI and a true understanding of the work that’s being done, and what to do if you’re working in a toxic environment.
Timestamps: her career journey (3:10), how Brown Table Talk started (7:56), why Mita refers to it as the great awakening and not the great resignation (11:47), how to increase the sense of belonging (13:45), the barrier in truly understanding the work that’s being done in the DEI space (17:40), is the shift to hybrid creating a new dimension to bias in the workplace? (22:37), how companies can better support managers and better protect employees (27:45), advice for the people experiencing toxic interactions at work (37:23), how to prevent toxic people from slipping through the cracks of your hiring process (39:47), the career advice Mita would give her 22-year-old self (43:58), and how we are back to 1980s levels of women in the workforce (45:16).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Mar 8, 2022 • 1h 7min
59 - Tracy Hawkins (VP, Work Transformation at Twitter) on reopening Twitter’s offices & giving employees choice
Tracy Hawkins, VP, Work Transformation at Twitter, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about giving employees the choice on how they want to work and how Twitter has zoned their offices.
Timestamps: Tracy’s journey from flight attendant to Twitter (7:07), her role as VP, Work Transformation (13:45), why we should be jealous that she gets to work there (20:33), how their real estate strategy has changed and what it might look like in the future (27:10), employee choice is huge at Twitter (32:00), how they personalize their different offices (37:45), remote work got a bad rep (46:20), the zoning of Twitter offices - focus areas, collaboration areas, and social areas (49:43), how they address world issues at work (54:43), and the career advice she’d give 22-year-old Tracy (1:01:13).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 28, 2022 • 1h 6min
58 - Cara Brennan Allamano (SVP, People, Udemy) & Rachel Ernst (Sr. Director, People Programs, Udemy) on Udemy’s New Normal
Udemy’s Cara Brennan Allamano (SVP, People) and Rachel Ernst (Sr. Director, People Programs) joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about Udemy’s new normal and what they’re doing to provide connection and flexibility for all employees.
Timestamps: the most pivotal moments in Cara and Rachel’s careers (4:53), the “New Normal” at Udemy (17:35), what flexibility means to Udemy (23:09), their offices are like a co-working space now (27:54), bringing Udemates on the journey to create the New Normal (29:20), learning paths related to navigating the changes at work (30:46), team working agreements at Udemy (33:44), adopting agile methodologies on your people team (37:00), the feedback processes they’ve built (39:00), they went from having 5 global offices to 900 in one day (41:20), what Cara’s hearing from the People Tech Partners community (50:20), and the career advice they would give their 22-year-old selves (57:40).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 22, 2022 • 42min
57 - The four-day work week, working in the metaverse, and a chat about culture
Today we talked about Belgium approving the four-day workweek, the possibility of working in the metaverse, and then we talked about culture and the themes we're seeing across different guests.
Timestamps: Belgium approves the four-day workweek (3:58), will we work in the metaverse one day (5:58), and common threads from recent guests about culture, talent attraction, and career advice (13:14).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

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Feb 14, 2022 • 52min
56 - Liz Fosslien (Co-Author of No Hard Feelings & Big Feelings) on confronting big feelings at work
Liz Fosslien, the co-author of No Hard Feelings and Big Feelings, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about her journey to becoming a best-selling author, the 7 Big Feelings that we've all been experiencing the past couple of years, and how we can begin to make peace with our emotions at work.
Timestamps: Liz’s journey to becoming a Wall Street Journal best-selling author (4:44), why everyone should be jealous that Liz gets to work at Humu (10:55), why she thinks we’re all so scared of confronting these big feelings at work (14:32), how they identified the 7 Big Feelings (20:00), which of the 7 Big Feelings resonates most with Liz (23:04), emotional granularity (28:20), two tools for making peace with your emotions (30:16), how to avoid negative thought spirals (35:35), the 1 thing Liz wants people to take away from Big Feelings (40:50), and the career advice she’d give to 22-year-old Liz (44:44).
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If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 7, 2022 • 52min
55 - Jessica Williams (VP of People, Refine Labs) & Megan Bowen (COO, Refine Labs) on building a culture book & becoming a talent destination
Refine Labs’ Megan Bowen, COO, and Jessica Williams, VP of People, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about Refine Labs’ culture playbook, how they’re leveraging social media to become a talent destination, and why they’re focused on onboarding.
Timestamps: why we should be jealous that they get to work at Refine Labs (7:05), how they created their Culture Playbook (11:10), the “oh hell nah list” of behaviors at their company(15:24), the primary driver for going fully distributed (18:40), how they’ve filled 80 roles in two years and how they plan to fill 100 more this year (21:40), the journey for the typical candidate (24:50), the quality of inbound candidates vs. outbound candidates (28:50), how you can leverage social media to become a talent destination (30:10), why they’re focused on onboarding (37:23), where onboarding goes wrong for a lot of companies (43:00), and what advice they would give their younger selves (46:20).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Jan 31, 2022 • 54min
54 - Katie Burke (Chief People Officer, HubSpot) on removing opinions from future of work decisions
Katie Burke, Chief People Officer at HubSpot, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about HubSpot’s award-winning culture, how they conducted 4 panels to make future of work decisions, and how they’re giving employees the ability to automatically opt into the work style that best suits them.
Timestamps: why we should be jealous that Katie gets to work at HubSpot (11:05), how HubSpot’s award-winning culture has evolved (14:40), getting business leaders on board with where the future of work actually is (17:50), how they conducted 4 panels to make decisions on the future of work (20:18), the insights that their people analytics team is driving around retention (24:53), personal connection to work as a key driver of retention (26:36), giving employees the choice of how they want to work in an automated way (29:18), tracking NPS, intent to stay, inclusion and belonging, and more (32:40), DIB and the future of work shouldn’t be talked about in isolation (39:04), lessons learned over the years as a leader (40:22), and the advice she’d give to 22-year old Katie (44:40).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Jan 26, 2022 • 34min
53 - “Best of Modern People Leader 2021” Part 2
On this very special best of 2021 mash-up, you’ll get insights from guests throughout our episodes from last year.
In Part 2 you’ll hear from the following guests:
MPL Group Chat (episode 36) on this being HR’s time to step up and how we’re entering the age of HR (0:37).
Steve Cadigan, former CHRO of LinkedIn and author (episode 38), on how workers and companies can see less of the future than ever before, and why the competitive advantage moving forward will be the ability to deal with instability (6:57).
Dom Boon, VP of Talent & Organizational Development at Liberty Latin America (episode 43), on how they identified the habits of the top 10% of their managers (16:48).
Shelby Wolpa, former VP of People Operations at InVision (episode 45), on lessons learned from scaling the people function at 4 venture-backed companies and the foundational steps for setting yourself up for success in a remote-first environment (22:23).
Darren Murph, Head of Remote at Gitlab (episode 49), shares why you need to look at the future of work as an opportunity to build something new – and how you have a permission slip to reinvent how your team looks and works (29:03).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Jan 17, 2022 • 29min
52 - “Best of Modern People Leader 2021” Part 1
On this very special best of 2021 mash-up, you’ll get insights from guests throughout the last year.
In Part 1 you’ll hear from:
Dilshan Rathnayake, Chief People Officer at Securonix (episode 7), on the importance of learning the business that you serve so that you can better serve your people as an HR leader (0:37).
Dena Upton, Chief People Officer at Drift (episode 15), breaks down what it means for her company to be going digital-first and why it’s a more equitable model (3:52).
Yemi Akisanya, Global Head of DEI at Groupon (episode 31), on why real success with DEI requires a complete culture transformation (9:25).
MPL Group Chat (episode 32) on the great resignation and what you can do to keep top talent (15:03).
David Hanrahan, CHRO at Eventbrite (episode 33), on why the traditional 9 to 5 is a relic of the past (24:54).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Jan 8, 2022 • 59min
51 - Jill Larsen (Chief People Officer, PTC) on the evolution of HR and where it’s going
Jill Larsen, Chief People Officer at PTC, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about how the CHRO role has changed, the evolution of HR, and some of her predictions for the future.
Timestamps: the one piece of advice that transformed her career (12:05), the worst advice she’s ever received (15:15), how the CHRO role has changed over the last 15 years and where it’s going from here (19:00), will we see more CHROs promoted to CEOs (23:50), we’re going through an HR evolution (25:34), digital transformation in HR (30:00), what does being data driven in HR look like (32:15), findings from data projects (34:42), gen z and millennial takeover (35:23), is retention still the right gauge for culture (41:50), employees having multiple jobs in the future (46:53), metrics she’s looking at on a weekly basis (51:10), and rhythms the people team has in place (53:10).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta