The Career Change Maker Podcast I Career Change, Career Advancement & Leadership Development

Janine Esbrand - Executive Coach, Career Strategist, Keynote Speaker
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May 19, 2022 • 15min

# 180: How Other Lawyers Are Getting Career Clarity And Making Life Changing Transitions

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I am talking about how other lawyers are getting career clarity and making life-changing transitions. The reason I want to talk about the big career transitions that the lawyers are getting is that you can go from one role to another or one industry to another, you can absolutely do it. You can lean into your transferable skills it is totally possible. Episode Highlights·       03:50 -  Rather than having to rely on just the traditional methods of going on job boards or speaking to recruiters, we're helping you to take a more proactive approach to make the type of move that you want to make.·       05:40 -  The coaching is there to help you to overcome the mindset hurdles that are going to come up. It will help you to understand what you're learning, and to feel rooted in the decision that you made to go on this career change journey.·       10:00 – One of my clients, Jen, who is a lawyer, was on maternity leave, she wanted to leave law completely and thought to make a career move. During the program, she realized that she didn't want to leave law completely, but needed to change her environment, and change the type of clients that she was working with.·       12:00 -  Liz came into the program, and she was at a place where she had her legal career for over 10 years. Then she decided that she wanted to do things slightly differently. Once she went through the program, she was able to identify what her strengths were. What you will learn: I have developed this career transition process, through my coaching experience, and through guiding lots of clients via a process. The program is broken up into four phases. It is designed to be very much a hands-on program one where you have to come in, you have to do the work to get the results. They start off with the define phase, alignment phase, and finally attract the right opportunities phase. So, we have the program broken down as the community, the coaching, and the curriculum. In my program, they have a community of like-minded people who are at the same phase as you, who are also not sure that this is what they want to do, or who are unsure about what else they will do. So you're able to connect with other people going through the same process and it can really support you. By the end of the program, people often end up as friends and as colleagues and are able to refer each other for opportunities.I shared a few snippets and feedback from some of my clients who went through the program as it's always good to hear the insights from people who have been through it and to share a little bit more. So if you want to see more, then let me know, reach out to me and I will direct you to some more case study interviews with people from different backgrounds so you can see whether or not it sounds like it's a good fit for you.Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 98 - Why Playing The Waiting Game is Holding You Back In Your CareerEpisode 176: 3 Ways To Get Recognition For The Amazing Job You Are Already DoingTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMIf you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> www.careerchangemakers.com/ccmprogram Send us a text
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May 13, 2022 • 16min

# 179: Why Your Dream Career Is A LOT Closer Than You Think

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I am talking about why your dream career is a lot closer than you think. I talk about finding an ideal role which means ensuring that it is fully aligned to who you are as a person and that you're able to bring to the table the strengths and values you have.I also want to talk about the fact that when you execute an ideal role or a dream role, you're going to feel like you're in flow with it, and to feel like everything's good in the way that you're doing on a day-to-day basis. Episode Highlights·       01:55 -  I hear from a lot of people, particularly the lawyers that I've worked with, who have professional services backgrounds, that they want to make a change. They know that where they are right now is not where they want to be.·       03:50 - When it comes to making the pivot, I've realized that there's so much time and energy that you spend at work on a day-to-day basis.·       07:45 – We can’t just rely on our experience; you have to recognize that sometimes exposure needs to happen before you can experience something else.·       09:10 - When I first started out in my business, I invested in programs, and got in rooms with people who had achieved the thing that I wanted to achieve.·       11:05 -  When you drill down and think about your skillset, and you think about the commerciality of your mind-set, and how it is that you can approach transactions, conversations and negotiations. What you will learn:One of the things that are consistent in terms of what clients say to me after they've gone through my program is that they have now expanded their belief around what is possible, I was  literally talking to a client in this January cohort of the program. I was asking what are some of your biggest takeaways and the client shared that one of her biggest takeaways was just recognizing what is possible for her and all of the possibilities that are out there inside her industry or adjacent to her current industry.If you don’t get exposed to something, then you wouldn't be able to believe in it and won’t be able to move on to the next big thing. We don't necessarily have to focus on the big leagues, but even for you to make the shifts, or for you to make the pivots you need to know what's out there available for you. So you need to be able to expose yourself differently from how you're exposing yourself right now.The thing that we need to be thinking about is not that I want to make a big career change but I can't take a pay cut so I'm going to have to stay where I am. Instead what we need to be thinking about is maintaining this level of salary. What are the potential adjacent opportunities that I could pursue which will allow me to continue to leverage the skills that I have and still come on with the type of salary that I have desired?Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 91 - Uncovering Your Top StrengthsEpisode 90 - Day Two: What Do You Want Life To Look Like?THIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMIf you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> www.careerchangemakers.com/ccmprogramSend us a text
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May 12, 2022 • 2min

BONUS EPISODE : Join the FREE Masterclass - 'How To Make Your Next Career Move, Your Best Move'

As a valued member of the Career Change Makers Community, I want to invite you to join me on Monday 16 May 2022 at 8pm (BST), 3pm (EST) for a free masterclass. I am excited to help you progress towards your career change goals, so will be breaking down the 4-part process that I have been through and guide clients through to help them to clarify and transition into an IDEAL role for them. In the FREE Masterclass, you will learn: 💡 The key consideration most people overlook when deciding on their next move.💡 The best way to find more meaning, make more impact AND earn more money through your work.💡 How to transition into a new role or industry, without having to start from the bottom.👉 Sign up here: www.careerchangemakers.com/masterclass P.s If you are unable to make it live, still sign up as you will receive access to the replay. I look forward to seeing you there!! JanineSend us a text
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May 11, 2022 • 14min

# 178: Your Experience Can Be Leveraged To Make A Career Change Without Retraining

In today’s episode of the Career Change Maker podcast, I talk about how your experience can be leveraged to make a career change without retraining.The reason I am talking about this is that I was having a conversation with somebody who is in a place where she's thinking about making a move. She has been working in the same space for the last 10 years. So, she was enquiring whether the kind of moves she wants to make is going to be possible because she's been in the same position for the last 10 years. Episode Highlights·       02:40 - People think that this experience is only relevant to where I am right now, and if I was going to do something else, I need to build up a whole another bag of experience.·       06:52 - The same way that you can bring value by bringing in your perspective and your lawyer brain in a commercial discussion, or in a negotiation, the same way that you can take what you have and use that in a different setting.·       07:20 - Just because you're coming from a slightly different practice area doesn’t mean that there isn't any value that you can bring to an organisation.·       09:25 - When we're thinking about leveraging our experience and we're thinking about making moves, please don't assume that you're going to have to start again. ·       11:25 - If you're trying to make a pivot, you can be very proactive to position yourself as someone that is interested in that area that is developing that skillset and knowledge in that area. What you will learn:If you think about some of the most brilliant business minds in the world, people who are charging the way forward in terms of innovation. Often, they spend time outside of the industry and out of the space that they operate in on a day-to-day basis. The reason why they do that is that stepping outside of your industry allows you to see things differently. It allows you to have a different perspective, and as a result, it inspires you. When people are talking about the experience that you've gained, it's not just about the experience doing the job, in terms of the technical piece, it’s all of the experience that comes with you operating in this type of environment for this length of time and all of those skills that you have developed and you have displayed are transferable to other environments. But in order for you to transfer them, and view them to articulate how it's valuable, you need to appreciate it as a skill set. You really need to appreciate the experience that you've gained as valuable so that you can talk about it as valuable. You can leverage the experience that you have to move into the type of role that you want to be doing. If you're unsure about how you can do that and what the step looks like how you would be able to leverage LinkedIn and how you would be able to position yourself then I would love to have a conversation with you.Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 110 - Making Major Career Changes With Louise GlendonEpisode 111 - The Biggest Reason You Are Reluctant To Make A Career Change Right NowTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMIf you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> www.careerchangemakers.com/ccmprogramSend us a text
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May 10, 2022 • 18min

# 177: The Impactful Career That You Desire Is On The Other Side Of This Four Letter Word

In today’s episode of the‘Career Change Maker podcast, I talk on the topic “The Impactful Career That You Desire Is On the Other Side of This Four Letter Word”. Lawyers are integral to our society, and then we see the fact that so many lawyers are feeling unfulfilled in the work that they're doing.The reason I have chosen this topic is that I find it incredible that there are so many lawyers who are not feeling happy and fulfilled in the work that they are doing. Episode Highlights·       03:10 – Every commercial transaction, be it about the distribution of assets, or any other aspect of life, there is a lawyer involved or multiple lawyers involved.·       07:00 – Besides seeing salary and company brand, there’re other factors that need to be considered in order for you to make the type of move, that's going to make sense.·       08:55 - When you're feeling frustrated, and you're feeling this is something's not right, all you can see is that it's like you're looking ahead to tomorrow and nothing else. The focus is too much on where you are right now and what you can see right in front of you.·       11:10 - In order for you to make sure that you're moving into a role that you feel good about, there needs to be more focus on the view.·       15:00 - When I was thinking about making a difference like knowing that the work that I'm definitely making a difference, it needed to be more tangible and handled for me.What you will learn: When you think about the goals that people have, and the things that people are trying to achieve on a day-to-day basis, typically, somewhere along the line, there is going to be a lawyer involved. If you think about the impact that lawyers have in terms of how the world goes around is huge. However, so many lawyers are feeling unfulfilled in the work that they're doing. The value that lawyers bring to the marketplace is great, but why is it that we're not feeling it?  The fact is that the impactful career that you really want to experience is on the other side of a four-letter word, which is DATA. In order for you to really determine what change or move you need to make, a full assessment would be required of what is actually going on right now and that assessment might require you to zoom out and look at different pieces of data. When you understand what strengths you bring to the table, when you truly understand your personality type, how you like to show up, and what your preferences are, then your considerations can be different when you're looking at the next opportunity. So strengths profile allows you to take an assessment, and then it highlights what your strengths are, and it lets you know what your weaknesses are.Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 163: Why You Deserve A Better Role So You Can Stop Feeling Unhappy At WorkEpisode 164: Do You Want More Than A Role That Looks Good On PaperTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMIf you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> https://www.careerchangemakers.com/ccmprogramSend us a text
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May 9, 2022 • 17min

# 176: 3 Ways To Get Recognition For The Amazing Job You Are Already Doing

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I talk about 3 ways to get recognition for the amazing job you are already doing and the importance of ensuring that you are positioning yourself to get the recognition that you desire and you deserve. I am quite passionate about this topic because there's so much value that people are bringing, but they're not recognizing it as a value, and that's why I want to talk about this.Episode Highlights02:40 – There's a big difference between saying that I supported client retention and saying that I helped to make sure that the firm didn't lose 350k. Quantifying things makes such a difference but when you're in it, it's so easy to gloss over.06:10 – There are three things that I want to talk about in order to make sure that you are getting the recognition that you need.08:40 - One of the ways that we can remember our achievements when it is required is by keeping a record of achievements. It doesn't necessarily have to be all of the big things, it can just be about what contribution you have made.10:50 - Being proactive does two things, it ensures that you are having the conversations that you need to have, and it also makes sure that you're visible because you're there doing the work, and getting the job done.13:00 - Often people are not that comfortable talking about themselves. We need to get confident and comfortable when we are talking about ourselves if we really want to make an impact through the work that we're doing.What you will learn:What you must recognize is the value that you bring to a role and the thing that you get paid for the value that you're bringing. So it's not just showing up doing the job like that's a given. If you're hired to do a role, you're going to show up, you're going to do the role and you're going to execute. But when you are able to articulate what value you have brought to the role, when you can speak about that, and you can confidently articulate that, that is what allows you to make sure that you're getting the promotion that you want. I want you to think about that how much are you going to get the job done, and then move on to the next thing? How much are you taking time to actually reflect on what you've been able to do, and the impact that has had on the people around you? The first thing for you is to keep a record of your achievements because it's hard to recall things when you want to record them. Keep it recorded either electronically or physically, because if you can record it, then you're able to talk about it.Another thing that you want to be doing is creating opportunities to have conversations with the partner, director, or manager that you work with. This is because sometimes we can be waiting for them to tap you on the shoulder and say, do you want to have a performance review or an update? But you might need to create an opportunity because it's likely that their calendar is busy.Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 170:  Stop Seeking Career Change Advice From The Wrong PeopleEpisode 173:  Wanting More For Your Career Isn't A Bad ThingTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMIf you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> Send us a text
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May 6, 2022 • 12min

# 175: The Common Career Mistake Lawyers Make That Keeps Them Feeling Stuck

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I talk about the common career mistake lawyers make that keeps them feeling stuck. I am having this conversation, particularly because this is promotion season, and I thought it would be good to talk about this as I'm seeing it happen quite often. Episode Highlights·       02:00 – I want to support as many professional women as I can, particularly lawyers in this May Cohort of this career coaching program.·       04:00 - On paper, if you're working hard, you're getting a promotion, and you're climbing the ladder then you are successful. But in reality, just getting the promotion isn't the only determining factor when it comes to success.·       07:00 - As lawyers and professionals, sometimes we are so busy doing the work that we don't prioritise the time to take stock. Therefore, we feel the frustration and the misalignment, but we’re not paying attention to it.·       08:45 - I think a lot of the time we're building up careers from an outside-in perspective, versus an inside-out perspective.·       11:10 – I want to share with you the common mistake that the lawyers make is not paying enough attention to the misalignment that could be happening inside of their careers where there's misalignment between the expectations and the reality of what's going on. What you will learn: 1. I often see a mismatch between the expectation of how we're going to feel, and then the reality of what happens when we get there because we use our logical brain. Your marker of success at the beginning, might not be your marker of success now. But one of the biggest mistakes lawyers make is not taking the time to take stock around this type of stuff, not recognising the misalignment that is happening, and not recognising that the misalignment is there.2.The source of your frustration when you're saying expectations are not meeting the reality, that can be different for different people. So it's about you being able to say if I'm feeling frustrated then why is that? What about it is misaligned, and when do we need to go from here, because sometimes that misalignment can be a quick fix. Sometimes that misalignment means you need to consider doing things in a completely different wayOther episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 143: Embarking On A Career Change After Decades In Your Career With Maddy Lee-SmithEpisode 144: How To Land Your Ideal Role QuicklyTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMThis episode was brought to you by my signature program, the Career Change Maker Program. The May Cohort of the program will be specifically for Lawyers because  it's one year since I left my legal career and completely went into what I wanted to do, and it has been a brilliant journey. So, if you are the one who is making a move and haven't been sure how to move forward, then go and make your application  www.careerchangemakers.com/ccmprogramSend us a text
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May 5, 2022 • 23min

#174: How My Career Changed For The Better After Covid-19 Lock Down

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I talk about how my career changed for the better post-COVID-19 Lockdown. I am going to be sharing this because in a lot of areas I've experienced that it is relevant to people that I have been speaking to who are considering making a career move right now. There is a lot of movement that's happening in the marketplace. We're hearing about the resignation, and the great big shuffle. Episode Highlights·       06:35 - The reality is that your legal career is very sticky, which means that there are a lot of reasons why you will feel like you need to stay where you are. ·       11:20 - Instead of focusing on whether it is even possible for me to make a move, that focus can go to how can I make a move from where I am now in a way that allows me to leverage all of my experience and expertise that I have.·       13:30 - Are you the same version of you that you were when you first started out in your career or when you first started this role? If not, maybe we need to pay attention to who are you right now so that you can move into a role that is well-aligned with who you are as a person.What you will learn: I had time to think and reflect during the lockdown, and I asked myself the hard questions. What do I want to be doing with my career next? Yes, I have got to this point, and yes, I made the decision to get here but where do I want to go next? I came to a point where I had to decide whether I'm  going to go all-in with my legal career or am I going to focus on the business because I didn't have the capacity to continue to do both.If you're a lawyer yourself and if you have been having some of those same conversations with yourself then I totally get it because the reality is the time that has been invested, the energy that has been invested, the desire to continue to have intellectual stimulation is understandable. When you brainstorm alternative career paths, it's probably likely that there isn't much that's coming up for you where you can say, yes, I can see how that's going to work. And so, what ends up happening is you're trying to look at alternatives, but the alternatives seem viable, and so because the alternative is still viable you backtrack and you're saying, well, I probably just need to stay where it is that I am right now.When I  had time during the pandemic to pause and think and allow myself to explore what alternatives could look like. I guided myself through the data method and this method is about looking at defining exactly what it is you want to do with your career next, it is about aligning who you are as a person and what your expectations are to the vision that you now have. It's about creating a transition plan. How are you going to move out of the role that you're in right now toward what it is that you want to do? Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 103 - Staying In Your Current Role Could be Costing You More Than You ThinkEpisode 115: Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Going For Big Goals with Angie BryanTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMThis episode was brought to you by my signature program, the Career Change Maker Program.If you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> Send us a text
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Apr 27, 2022 • 18min

#173: Wanting More For Your Career Isn't A Bad Thing

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I talk about the topic of guilt and feeling bad about wanting to make a move.The reason I want to talk about this topic is that it comes up time and time again when I'm working with clients who are contemplating making a career move.Episode Highlights·       01:22 - When you consider having worked in a role or being in a particular industry for a very long time, it can feel challenging to envision or even think about doing things in a different way.·       03:17 - If you're in a role that you don't want to be in, but you're comfortable in that role, it means that you're missing out on the opportunity of carving out an experience in a role that is well-aligned.·       05:55 - Just because I have decided on a particular path doesn't mean I have to stay there.·       07:15 - My mission is to level the playing field for women in the workplace and help you to realize that it is possible for you to navigate your way through and align yourself to a role that is a good fit for you.·       09:15 - Am I being unapologetic about what it is that I want and what it is that I'm working towards or am I coming from a place of I'm only going to allow myself to do the things that I think everyone else says I can do.·       13:00 - You need to be in a position where you feel like your interest is aligned with what it is that the company is doing or you feel like your values are aligned with what it is that the company is standing for.What you will learn: If you're feeling that your career right now is not hitting the mark, that's not a bad thing. In fact, that's an indication that it is time for you to take action. It’s time for you to consider that if this isn't where I'm supposed to be, what is it that I'm supposed to be doing? And a lot of times when we think about it, we feel guilty or what might people think or what might my boss think or what might my colleagues think we sometimes make up stories in our mind. So, we're assuming that people will think and feel a certain way but do we have evidence to support that? Often not. We are accepting our assumptions as fact, and that whole process of accepting your assumptions as facts can be causing you to stay in a place where you don't want to be. There are things that I need to do, there is an impact that I want to make that staying in that particular role will not allow me to fulfill. So, I had to separate myself from that feeling of guilt. If I remove that feeling of guilt and feeling bad that I want more, what would I want to do? I want to encourage you to step into what is the next thing for you, where is it that you want to be going in your career and how is it that you want to navigate your way through versus feeling like there's something wrong with you actually wanting to do things in a different way. There's nothing wrong with it. If you're feeling it, it's okay to feel.Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 117: Stop Overlooking Experience And Missing Out On OpportunitiesEpisode 149: You Have What It Takes To Make A Career ChangeTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMThis episode was brought to you by my signature program, the Career Change Maker Program.If you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> https://www.careerchangemaSend us a text
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Apr 19, 2022 • 16min

# 172: Stop Saying You Don't Have Experience To Go For What You Want

In today’s episode of the ‘Career Change Maker’ podcast, I talk about why you need to stop saying that you don't have the experience required to go for what you want and what you should be doing instead.  The reason I have chosen this topic is that oftentimes when people are looking at making a career move, they feel like, they don't have enough experience in that, and how they would move into that. So, I want to talk to you about how to shift your thinking a little bit around this and how you can be focusing on other things than ‘I don't have enough experience’. Episode Highlights·       03:30 - When you're looking at a job specification and there is a list of things that the company has stated that they need in a candidate. I want you to realize that whoever has put that job spec has decided that these are the things that they require. ·       05:51 - If you're able to articulate that value, and can demonstrate how that is relevant for the type of role that you want to go into then it becomes less about if you have the specific bullet points and more about does the value that you have makes sense for what you want to move into? ·       07:52 - There's so much that you have been able to achieve and forget about because it's your experience and it is super easy for you to overlook the value that you bring.·       09:53 - Just because you don't have this particular experience with a certain principle or method, that doesn't mean that you have to go back to school and study for two years, get a Master's, or get an MBA. ·       11:04 - We want to be looking at how would I build the bridge from where I am now to where it is I want to go? What you will learn:When you're looking at an organization are you looking at why are these different elements important! When you take the time to go a little bit deeper, what you might recognize is that I don't have that specific thing that they stated on the job spec. However, knowing what they're trying to achieve, or what their objectives are, there may be some brilliant experience that you may have that is relevant to this organization.The first thing is, let's identify what value you have. Figure out how you can articulate that value to someone else, and then the second thing is identifying what those gaps are and figuring out what would be my plan to bridge those gaps. What would I need to do for me to get confident in those areas that I feel like I'm lacking so that I can perform the best in this type of role? So think about it objectively and strategically rather than feeling like I need to go back and get another degree.I want to encourage people as they are thinking about what the next steps can be for them and they are thinking about what it is that they want to do. Don't discount yourself too easily just think about what you want to do and then make a plan of action as to how you can get there. Other episodes you may also enjoy:Episode 111 - The Biggest Reason You Are Reluctant To Make A Career Change Right NowEpisode 121 : You Don't Need To Retrain To Find Job SatisfactionTHIS EPISODE IS BOUGHT TO YOU BY THE CAREER CHANGE MAKER PROGRAMThis episode was brought to you by my signature program, the Career Change Maker Program.If you are looking for support with changing career direction, book a suitability call >> Send us a text

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