

The Project Chatter Podcast
Val Matthews & Dale Foong
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
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Oct 8, 2025 • 59min
S9E207: Insourcing - Bringing Capability In-House with Jo Lucas
In this episode, Val and Dale engage in a thought-provoking conversation with Jo Lucas, exploring the evolving dynamics of insourcing versus outsourcing in organizations. Jo shares insights from her extensive experience, discussing the importance of human connection, decision-making, and the role of AI in modern workplaces. The discussion delves into the challenges and opportunities of insourcing, the impact of generational shifts, and the future of work in a rapidly changing world.Key Takeaways:Jo Lucas emphasizes the importance of human connection in organizational success.The conversation explores the shift from outsourcing to insourcing in modern workplaces.AI is seen as a tool for abstraction, while humans provide connection.Generational shifts impact workplace dynamics and decision-making.Insourcing offers opportunities for stability and purpose in jobs.The role of consultants is evolving with the trend towards insourcing.Decision-making is a key responsibility for clients in organizations.The future of work involves balancing technology and human relationships.AI can assist but not replace human decision-making and connection.Organizations must adapt to changing contexts and embrace flexibility.

Sep 24, 2025 • 1h 3min
S9E206: Fast Forward to the Past – Dodging the bullets of tech trends like AI to deliver perfect projects with Prof. Eddie Obeng
In this episode, Val and Dale engage with Professor Eddie Obeng to explore the multifaceted implications of AI in today's world. They discuss the hype surrounding AI, its potential benefits and challenges in various sectors, particularly healthcare and governance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of human elements in technology, the need for a balanced perspective on AI's role in society, and the necessity of dreaming a better future rather than getting swept up in the gold rush mentality.📖 All Change! [Project Chatter Edition]TakeawaysAI is both a potential savior and a threat.The hype around AI often overshadows its practical applications.Understanding the human element is crucial in technology adoption.Persuasion plays a significant role in the AI gold rush.AI can enhance healthcare but must be approached cautiously.The future of work will be shaped by how we integrate AI.Governance can benefit from AI, but ethical considerations are paramount.Community values should guide the implementation of AI.AI's limitations must be acknowledged to avoid over-reliance.Dreaming a better future is essential for meaningful progress.Chapters00:00 The AI Gold Rush: Promise or Peril?13:19 Understanding AI: Tools vs. Jobs22:40 The Human Element in Technology31:49 Leadership in the Age of AI33:09 Evolve, Dominate or Die: The New Business Paradigm34:32 Harnessing AI: A Practical Approach38:49 The Human Element in AI and Technology41:07 AI in Healthcare: Opportunities and Challenges44:47 Reimagining Community and Governance with AI56:32 The Future of AI in Administration and Decision Making

Sep 8, 2025 • 42min
S9E205: Replicability of the Montreal REM Model with Riccardo Consentino
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, hosts Val and Dale engage with Riccardo Cosentino to explore the unique aspects of the REM project in Canada, a public-private partnership (PPP) model that has garnered attention for its innovative funding and governance structure. Riccardo shares insights into the project's background, the role of the Quebec pension fund as a project sponsor, and the implications of risk management and return calculations. The conversation delves into the importance of early stakeholder involvement, the challenges of public opinion, and the potential for replicating this model in other sectors. Throughout the discussion, the significance of governance, long-term perspectives, and the necessary skill sets for project professionals are emphasized, providing valuable takeaways for listeners interested in infrastructure projects and PPPs.TakeawaysThe REM project is a unique public-private partnership model.Risk management is crucial in financing infrastructure projects.The obligation to repay investments can shift from taxpayers to private entities.Calculating returns involves considering ridership and land value capture.Contingency planning is integrated into the rate of return.Early involvement of stakeholders leads to better project outcomes.Governance structures can significantly impact project success.Long-term perspectives are essential for managing infrastructure investments.Curiosity and risk-taking are important traits for project professionals.The REM model could be applied to other sectors beyond transportation.Chapters00:00 Introduction and Guest Background03:24 Understanding Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs)06:11 The REM Project Overview08:56 Funding and Risk Management in the REM Project11:55 Calculating Returns and Land Value Capture14:33 Governance and Project Delivery17:21 Long-Term Perspectives and Lifecycle Management22:47 Changing Dynamics in Project Management24:35 Governance and Change Management in Projects26:38 Replicating Successful Project Models29:08 Applying the Model Beyond Rail Projects31:07 Reporting Mechanisms and Governance Structures33:55 Skill Sets for Successful Project Delivery35:39 Advice for Aspiring Project Professionals37:27 Resilience in Today's Project Challenges39:40 Future of the CDPQ Model and Its Replicability

Aug 25, 2025 • 1h 42min
S9E204: AI Revolution in Project Management with Lawrence Rowland
In this episode, the hosts delve into the transformative role of AI in project management, discussing its evolution, practical applications, and the challenges of adoption. They explore the emergence of AI agents, their impact on consulting, and the ethical considerations surrounding AI integration in the workplace. The conversation also touches on the future of work, organisational changes, and the potential breakthroughs that AI may bring to the industry. In this engaging conversation, the speakers explore the interplay between knowledge, AI, and human experience. They discuss the importance of sharing knowledge, the balance between technology and human interaction, and the potential for AI to enhance project management. The dialogue also delves into philosophical perspectives on AI, the future of work, and the role of education in bridging the gap between technology and human understanding. The speakers emphasise the need for experimentation, collaboration, and a human-centric approach to technology, ultimately advocating for a fun and exploratory mindset in navigating the evolving landscape of AI.Key Takeaways People often feel stiffed by societal advances.Experimentation is key in understanding AI's capabilities.Building in public fosters confidence and knowledge sharing.AI should give us more time for human interaction.The transition to AI will be challenging for many.Humans often get in the way of technological progress.Education systems are struggling to adapt to AI.Generative models in AI mirror human intelligence.The meaning of life is not limited to intelligence.Chapters03:32 The Evolution of AI in Project Management06:16 Exploring AI Agents and Their Applications09:12 Practical Experiences with AI Agents11:54 The Future of Consulting and AI Integration14:31 The Role of AI in Organizational Structures17:32 Futurescaping: The Future of AI in Projects20:13 Overcoming Resistance to AI Adoption23:09 The Ethical Considerations of AI in Projects36:30 Creating Value in the Age of AI40:04 The Disappearance of Intermediaries44:05 The Future of Work and AI48:39 AI in Project Management53:55 Knowledge Transfer and AI01:06:22 Balancing Technology and Human Interaction01:09:52 The Future of AI and Human Interaction01:14:11 Ethics and Rights of AI01:17:24 Understanding AI's Role in Society01:24:30 Education and AI: Bridging the Gap01:33:53 Generative Intelligence: Human vs AI

Aug 11, 2025 • 47min
S9E203: Delivering Projects with a Product Lifecycle Management lens with John Ryan
In this episode of the Project Chatter Podcast, Dale and Martin are joined by John Ryan, a seasoned project director and construction technology leader, to discuss the intricacies of Product Lifecycle Management (PLM). John shares his extensive background in engineering and project management, emphasising the importance of understanding both capital expenditure (CapEx) and operational expenditure (OpEx) in project delivery. The conversation delves into the roles and responsibilities of various stakeholders in PLM, the challenges faced by UK infrastructure projects, and the need for incentivisation in project delivery. John also highlights the lessons that can be learned from manufacturing industries, the significance of maintenance in project planning, and the role of circular economies in promoting sustainability. The episode concludes with a discussion on the impact of software and data ownership in lifecycle management, encouraging listeners to take small steps towards sustainability in their own practices.Takeaways📍 Product Lifecycle Management is essential for project success.📍 Understanding CapEx and OpEx is crucial for effective project management.📍 Incentivising maintenance can lead to long-term cost savings.📍 UK infrastructure projects face significant challenges that need addressing.📍 Manufacturing industries provide valuable lessons for construction and project management.📍 Maintenance should be integrated into project planning from the outset.📍 Circular economies can enhance sustainability in project delivery.📍 Environmental impacts must be considered in lifecycle cost assessments.📍 Software obsolescence is a growing concern in product lifecycle management.📍 Everyone can contribute to sustainability efforts in their own way.Chapters04:15 John Ryan's Engineering Journey06:06 Understanding Product Lifecycle Management14:53 Roles and Responsibilities in Product Management17:44 Challenges in UK Infrastructure Projects20:28 Incentivizing Better Design and Maintenance23:01 Future of Maintenance in Project Management24:23 Cost-Cutting and Operational Efficiency31:47 Understanding Circular Economies35:30 The Role of Government in Sustainability39:09 Environmental Impact and Lifecycle Management43:54 The Future of Data and Software in Product LifecycleLinkshttps://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-83571-1_14https://www.symterra.co.uk/

Jul 28, 2025 • 45min
S9E202: How to be a World Class Scheduler without opening the Schedule with Micah Piippo
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Dale speaks with Micah Piippo, a leading voice in construction planning and scheduling. They discuss the evolving role of AI in project management, the importance of understanding the fundamentals of scheduling, and how to effectively review and validate schedules without getting lost in the details. Micah shares insights on common mistakes in project meetings, the significance of critical path and float, and the necessity of resource loading. The conversation also touches on contractual considerations and the importance of commissioning plans in project delivery.Takeaways💥 AI is revolutionizing project planning and scheduling.💥 Understanding the role of a scheduler is crucial for project success.💥 Common mistakes in project meetings can derail progress.💥 The schedule is fundamentally a mathematical calculation.💥 Critical path and float are essential concepts in scheduling.💥 Resource loading should be tailored to project needs.💥 Contractual specifications guide scheduling processes.💥 Effective communication between owners and contractors is vital.💥 Commissioning plans should be established early in the project.💥 Project leaders should focus on forecasting and data-driven decisions.Links Beyond Deadlines: https://youtube.com/@beyonddeadlines?si=HfE1Mosc2oL9o2v1

Jul 11, 2025 • 52min
S9E201: The Healing Power of Laughter with Barry Hilton
In this episode, Barry Hilton, a renowned South African comedian, shares his journey through comedy and mental health. He discusses the importance of vulnerability, humor, and resilience in addressing mental health issues. Barry emphasizes the need for open conversations about mental health, recognizing signs of distress, and the cultural differences in how mental health is perceived. He also highlights the importance of teaching resilience to the younger generation and the role of community and connection in overcoming struggles.TakeawaysBarry Hilton is a celebrated comedian with a career spanning over four decades.He emphasizes the importance of vulnerability in discussing mental health.Humor serves as a powerful tool for resilience and coping with life's challenges.Recognizing signs of mental health issues is crucial for seeking help.Cultural perceptions of mental health can vary significantly.Connection and community play vital roles in mental health support.Teaching resilience to children is essential for their development.Barry's personal experiences highlight the struggles many face with mental health.Open conversations about mental health can help reduce stigma.It's important to own your struggles and seek professional help when needed.Chapters05:24 Barry's Journey to Comedy and Mental Health Awareness09:05 The Impact of Mental Health on Performers15:15 Using Humor to Address Serious Topics20:21 The Role of ADHD and Dyslexia in Creativity25:33 Owning Your Struggles and Vulnerability26:57 The Autobiography of Comedy28:18 Recognizing Mental Health Signs30:43 The Spiral of Loneliness32:58 Conversations About Mental Health34:22 The Importance of Directness36:57 Understanding Stress and Resilience39:11 Cultural Differences in Communication45:18 Teaching Resilience to the Next Generation49:01 The Power of Ownership in Mental HealthGet in touch with Barry:https://barryhilton.com/sandybarryhilton@gmail.com

Jul 6, 2025 • 1h 15min
S8E200: AI and the Job Market: Myths and Realities with Chirag Shah
Proudly sponsored by Deltek.com In this episode, the hosts celebrate their 200th episode with guest Chirag Shah, discussing the evolving job market, the impact of AI, and the importance of networking and mentorship in career growth. They explore the expectations of candidates in today's market, the significance of soft skills, and the balance between work and personal life. The conversation emphasises the need for continuous learning and adaptability in the project controls industry, while also addressing the challenges of recruitment and the changing dynamics of workplace culture.TakeawaysAI is not here to take jobs but to create new opportunities.Networking and mentorship are crucial for career advancement.Candidates should focus on soft skills alongside technical abilities.Understanding market trends is essential for job seekers.The importance of being present in the workplace for early career development.Expectations around promotions should be clearly communicated by managers.Building a personal brand is vital in today's job market.Flexibility in work arrangements is becoming norm.Candidates should actively manage their career growth and expectations.The project controls industry is evolving, requiring adaptability and continuous learning.

May 30, 2025 • 1h 3min
S8E199: AI Implications in Construction with Doug Vincent
Proudly sponsored by Deltek.In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, hosts discuss the implications of AI in project management and construction. Doug Vincent shares insights on how AI can be demystified for clients, its potential in industry innovation, and the challenges faced in education regarding AI integration. The conversation explores practical applications of AI, the importance of trust in AI systems, and the future of work as AI continues to evolve. Doug emphasises the need for creativity and human input in leveraging AI effectively, while also addressing concerns about job displacement and the role of AI in personal growth and education.TakeawaysAI is often misunderstood; it's just advanced software.Education systems are lagging in embracing AI.AI can enhance productivity in construction.Trust in AI is built through reliability and security.AI can automate mundane tasks, freeing up human creativity.The construction industry needs to adapt to AI innovations.AI can help cover blind spots in decision-making.Awareness of AI's capabilities is crucial for its adoption.AI can serve as a tool for personal growth and reflection.The future of work will involve collaboration between humans and AITo reach out to our guest check out the following: https://www.mastt.com/https://www.youtube.com/@DougVincentCPMhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentdoug

Jan 30, 2025 • 1h 1min
S8E198: PMO Conference 2024 - Live in Edinburgh
Proudly sponsored by Deltek.
In this engaging podcast episode, the hosts introduce their guest, Michael Reinders, who shares his journey into project management and PMO. The conversation explores the evolution of PMO roles, the importance of change management, and the future trends impacting the workforce. The hosts and guests discuss strategies for engaging younger generations in PMO roles, emphasizing the need for trust, support, and fun in the workplace. The episode concludes with audience interaction, highlighting the importance of connection and engagement in project management. This conversation delves into the intricate relationship between project management and change management, emphasizing the need for distinct roles and methodologies. It explores generational perspectives on resilience and adaptability in the workplace, particularly in the context of AI integration. The discussion highlights the evolving role of PMOs in strategic initiatives and the importance of effective communication skills. Insights from podcast guests further enrich the conversation, providing a multifaceted view of the challenges and opportunities in project management today. takeaways
The PMO role has evolved significantly over time.
Change management is crucial for successful project delivery.
AI tools can enhance project management efficiency.
Work-life balance is essential for attracting talent.
Engaging younger generations requires adapting to their values.
Trust and support are foundational in team dynamics.
Creating a fun work environment boosts morale and productivity.
Understanding individual team members fosters better relationships.
Continuous learning is vital for PMO professionals.
Audience engagement enriches the podcast experience. Project managers need to understand change management requirements.
Change management and project management are distinct disciplines.
Leadership capabilities are essential for project managers.
ProSci methodology is a key framework for change management.
Organizational culture is crucial for successful project delivery.
AI should be integrated into the entire project ecosystem.
PMOs must have a voice at the C-suite level.
Resilience is built through experience and challenges.
Effective communication is vital for project success.
PMOs should be recognized as a professional discipline.


