
The Project Chatter Podcast
Welcome to Project Chatter, the podcast where project professionals, specialists and experts from various sectors talk about the latest trends in project management and PMO. Listen to Val and Dale as they talk about tried and tested best practices and share their unfiltered thoughts about the industry. Whether you're here to learn how to progress your career, improve your project controls skills, or just want to hear an Aussie and South African rant about projects, then you've come to the right place. Welcome to the Project Chatter Podcast, with your hosts Dale Foong and Val Matthews.
Latest episodes

Nov 26, 2024 • 1h 19min
S8E188: The Pros & Cons of Professional Institutions & Associations with Adam Boddison
In this episode, the conversation revolves around the role of professional bodies in project management, particularly focusing on the APM (Association for Project Management). Adam Boddison, the CEO of APM, discusses the importance of community engagement, the challenges faced by the project management profession, and the impact of AI on the industry. The discussion also touches on career development, the need for a unified approach among professional bodies, and the future of project management in a rapidly changing technological landscape.
Takeaways
Project management is often misunderstood and needs better representation.
Community engagement is crucial for career development in project management.
AI will play a significant role in the future of project management.
Professional bodies like APM are essential for supporting project professionals.
The definition of project success varies and needs to be clarified.
There is a shortage of qualified project professionals globally.
Project management should focus on people, not just processes.
The APM aims to inspire communities to deliver meaningful change.
Collaboration among professional bodies can benefit the project management profession.
AI literacy is becoming increasingly important for project professionals.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
04:56 Adam's Journey into Project Management
06:20 Defining Project Management
08:40 The Role of APM and its Mission
09:55 Expanding APM's Global Footprint
14:49 Choosing a Professional Body for Career Development
17:53 Engagement with Professional Bodies
23:08 Differentiators of APM
27:08 Shortage of Project Professionals
31:50 Addressing the PR Problem in Project Management
36:17 Project Success and Challenges
42:58 Introduction and Discussion on Major Infrastructure Projects
44:05 The Role of APM and Other Associations in Major Projects
46:56 AI in the Body of Knowledge and the Challenge of Keeping Up
49:30 Collaboration with Government Organizations for Project Assurance
52:58 The Focus on Project Controls in APM
57:13 The Importance of Data and AI Literacy for Project Professionals
01:03:09 The Impact of AI on Project Managers and Project Management Skills
01:09:45 The Future Role of AI as Personal Assistants for Project Professionals
01:14:21 Five Quickfire Questions
01:17:28 Final Thoughts and Encouragement to Join the Project Management Profession
01:18:55 Outtro template A.mp3
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Jul 8, 2024 • 1h 14min
S8E187: Goal Setting with Clement Kwegyir-Afful
In this pod the lads have a conversation that explores the topic of goal setting and its importance in personal and professional development. The guest, Clement Kwegyir-Afful, shares his journey of discovering his purpose and passion for helping others achieve their goals. He emphasizes the need for a strong why and belief system, as well as the importance of setting process goals to achieve desired outcomes. Clement also discusses the influence of culture on goal setting and the role of motivation and habits in achieving goals. In this conversation, Clement Kwegyir-Afful discusses the importance of belief systems, mindset, and self-reflection in achieving goals. He emphasizes the role of emotions, attitudes, and mental models in driving behavior. Clement also explores the balance between discipline and having the right plan, as well as the impact of fear and purpose on motivation. He highlights the need for self-determination and the dangers of being driven solely by fear. Additionally, he addresses the misconceptions about leadership and the importance of setting meaningful goals. Clement recommends the book 'What to Say to Yourself When You Talk to Yourself' by Chad Hemelster as a valuable resource for transforming the subconscious mind.
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Jun 23, 2024 • 1h 14min
S8E186: Strategic Misrepresentation with Roger Garrini
In this episode, Roger Garrini discusses the concept of strategic misrepresentation in projects. Strategic misrepresentation refers to deliberately and systematically distorting or misstating information for strategic purposes. It often occurs in bids and tenders, where the desire to win the project leads to telling the customer what they want to hear, even if it's not entirely accurate. Strategic misrepresentation can have harmful consequences, such as wasting time and resources, causing budget overruns, and damaging trust. However, there are also instances where strategic misrepresentation can be beneficial, such as boosting confidence and motivation. The line between acceptable and harmful strategic misrepresentation is subjective and depends on the context and consequences. The conversation explores the challenges of strategic misrepresentation in project management and how it affects project outcomes. The guests discuss the reasons behind misrepresentation, such as political pressures and unrealistic expectations. They also explore the role of technology, particularly AI, in improving project delivery and decision-making. The conversation highlights the importance of data integrity and the need for organisations to create a culture of transparency and accountability. The guests suggest several strategies to address strategic misrepresentation, including better project governance, improved training and education, and a focus on ethical behaviour.
Roger is a 42 year defence and aerospace, Stated in PMO of major radar project focused on planning ATE and test software against a changing build standard, moved to be PM of same then international bids and investment project including car gadgets and civil aerospace. Moved site and became involved in PM governance and Risk management, thence to ERM and audit finishing as UK IPR manager.
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Jun 18, 2024 • 1h 17min
S8E185: The Benefits of Diverse Teams in Problem-Solving with Richard Bendall-Jones
In this episode Dale flies solo explores with Richard the importance of diversity and inclusion in organisations and how to approach it effectively. It highlights the pitfalls of mandatory diversity training and the damaging nature of statements like 'I don't see gender or race.' The speakers discuss the need for humility, challenging the status quo, and creating a psychologically safe space for diverse perspectives. They also touch on the role of empathy, the benefits of diverse teams in problem-solving, and the challenges of breaking the cycle of homogeneity in industries like construction. The conversation emphasises the value of seeking out opposing views and the importance of feedback and growth. In this conversation, Richard and Dale discuss the importance of feedback and how to handle both positive and negative feedback constructively. They also explore the influence of technology, social media, and AI on diversity and inclusion. The conversation highlights the need for curiosity, open-mindedness, and creating safe environments for diverse perspectives. They emphasise the role of individuals in pushing the diversity question in the industry and the importance of continuous learning and growth.
Richard has worked on UK infrastructure projects for over a decade, in project management and risk management roles. He's a product manager at nPlan, helping to usher in a new generation of tools to make the profession and construction industry better.
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May 25, 2024 • 1h 12min
S8E184: Carbon, Cash, and Machines with Andrew Langridge
In this episode, the hosts and guest Andrew Langridge discuss the importance of estimating and tracking carbon in construction projects. Andrew shares his background in estimating and explains the challenges and complexities of estimating carbon. He emphasizes the need for accurate data and tools to estimate carbon and suggests that legislation is necessary to drive change. The conversation also touches on the role of education in creating a culture of carbon tracking and the potential for incentivising carbon reduction in contracts. Overall, the episode highlights the importance of measuring and controlling carbon in projects and the need for industry-wide collaboration. In this conversation, Dale, Val, Martin, and guest Andrew Langridge discuss the role of AI and machine learning in addressing the indirect impacts of carbon emissions. They explore the challenges of calculating carbon emissions throughout the supply chain and the potential for AI to assist in this process. They also discuss the concept of a circular economy and the need for new roles and skills in sustainability and project management. The conversation touches on the limitations of AI and the importance of critical thinking and curiosity in the face of technological advancements.
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May 5, 2024 • 1h 5min
S8E183: Applied AI for beginners to pros with Vicky Emerson
In this episode, Dale and Martin welcome Victoria Emerson, a seasoned teacher with a passion for technology and AI. Victoria shares her career journey, from being inspired by an assessor during an apprenticeship to becoming a teacher and curriculum developer. She emphasizes the importance of starting with the basics in technology and AI, such as computer science and understanding algorithms. Victoria also encourages learners to find a problem or project they're interested in and use AI to find solutions. She highlights the need to break down barriers and demystify the language of technology to make it more accessible to everyone. In this conversation, Victoria Emerson shares her insights on AI education and the future of AI in the classroom. She emphasizes the importance of hands-on experience and experimentation with AI tools, encouraging learners to start with free resources before considering paid subscriptions. Victoria also highlights the significance of being authentic and polite when interacting with AI models, as it can lead to better results. She discusses the role of grammar in AI prompting and suggests that rephrasing prompts can help achieve desired outputs. Victoria envisions a future where AI individualizes learning and teachers focus on developing soft skills. She concludes by urging listeners to embrace change, have fun with AI, and not put too much pressure on themselves.
our guest Victoria is a current MSc Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence student at the University of York. A qualified Teacher and Examiner in Digital and AI qualifications, I'm here to support anyone interested in the Digital and AI learning and research for practical applications of AI in personal or professional settings. Offering an inclusive space where AI is for everyone, in the mission to bridge the digital divide.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 1h 17min
S8E182: What is all this AI fuss about? - Tim Creasey
SummaryIn this episode, Dale, Marco, and Tim discuss the impact of AI on change management. They explore the different facets of AI, particularly large language models, and how they can be used to improve communication, automate tasks, and analyze data. They also discuss the challenges and opportunities of using AI in project management and the importance of prompt engineering and effective communication. In this conversation, Tim Creasey discusses the power of generative AI and large language models in various applications, including change management. He emphasizes the importance of understanding how to prompt AI effectively and highlights the need to think of AI as an intern rather than an oracle. Tim shares his personal experiences using AI to create personalized coloring books and artwork, showcasing the creative possibilities of generative AI. He encourages listeners to experiment with AI and leverage its capabilities to unlock new opportunities.KeywordsAI, change management, large language models, automation, communication, data analysis, prompt engineering, generative AI, large language models, change management, prompting AI, personalization, creativityTakeaways
AI, particularly large language models, can have a significant impact on change management by improving communication, automating tasks, and analyzing data.
Automation is often the first step in using AI in project management, followed by communication support and content creation.
Data analysis and visualization are also important applications of AI in project management.
Effective prompt engineering and communication skills are crucial in getting the most out of AI tools.
There is still much untapped potential in using AI in project management, and organizations need to explore and experiment with different applications. Generative AI and large language models have the power to transform various industries and applications, including change management.
To prompt AI effectively, think of it as an intern rather than an oracle, and provide clear and specific instructions.
AI can be used to create personalized content, such as coloring books and artwork, showcasing its creative potential.
Experimentation with AI can lead to new opportunities and efficiencies in various domains.
Understanding the capabilities and limitations of AI is crucial in leveraging its potential effectively.
Tim Creasey is Prosci’s Chief Innovation Officer and a globally recognized leader in change management. His work forms the foundation of the largest body of knowledge in the world on managing the people side of change to deliver organizational results.
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Mar 23, 2024 • 1h 2min
S8E181: Antifragile Projects with Georgia Stillwell
In this episode, Val and Dale are joined by guest Georgia Stillwell to discuss anti-fragile projects and risk management in project management. Georgia shares her journey into project management, starting from her fascination with master planning in cities to her experience in risk management and construction technology. She explains the concept of anti-fragile projects, which are projects that thrive in uncertain and risky environments. The conversation delves into the challenges with traditional project planning methods and the need for more flexible and adaptable approaches. Georgia also discusses the role of technology in risk management and the importance of simplifying complex concepts for effective communication. In this conversation, Georgia Stillwell discusses the concept of anti-fragility in project management and how it can be achieved through the use of technology and human expertise. She emphasizes the importance of replicating the abilities of experienced planners and using AI to optimize project schedules. However, she also highlights the need for human validation and decision-making in complex construction projects. The conversation explores the role of contracts in project behavior and the challenges of harmonizing contracts with anti-fragility principles. The importance of leadership in creating a culture of anti-fragility and addressing human biases is also discussed.Takeaways
Anti-fragile projects are projects that thrive in uncertain and risky environments, adapting and improving as challenges arise.
Traditional project planning methods, such as critical path method, can be rigid and fail to account for the dynamic nature of projects.
Technology, such as AI and software tools, can help optimize project planning and recovery by exploring different options and scenarios.
Educating clients and stakeholders about different project planning methodologies is crucial for driving change and improving project outcomes.
Simplifying risk management concepts and using analogies can help communicate complex ideas effectively. Anti-fragility in project management can be achieved through the use of technology and human expertise.
AI can replicate the abilities of experienced planners and optimize project schedules, but human validation and decision-making are still necessary.
Contracts play a significant role in project behavior and can sometimes conflict with anti-fragility principles.
Leadership is crucial in creating a culture of anti-fragility and addressing human biases in decision-making.
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Mar 4, 2024 • 1h 20min
S8E180: The Importance of Modularity, Scalability and Interoperability with Mike Paul
In this episode of the Project Chatter podcast, Val and Dale interview Mike Paul, the Managing Director for InEight for Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. They discuss the concepts of modularity, scalability, and interoperability in project management. Mike emphasises the importance of considering people and processes alongside technology in project implementation. They also explore the challenges of data ownership and integration in the project supply chain. The conversation highlights the need for transparency and collaboration among stakeholders to achieve successful project outcomes. In this conversation, Mike Paul discusses various topics related to data ownership, scalability, the future of construction, sustainability, the need for an ideas factory, the value of marginal gains, and the nature of leadership.
Takeaways
Data ownership in construction projects can be complex, with different parties having different interpretations of who owns the data.
Scalability in construction can be hindered by factors such as data laws, differences in work processes across regions, and the scalability of individual people, processes, and technology.
The future of construction lies in innovative building materials, methods, and technologies that prioritize sustainability and environmental impact.
An ideas factory or incubator could help foster innovation in the construction industry by providing funding and support for testing and scaling new ideas.
Small, incremental improvements (marginal gains) can have a significant impact on project outcomes and profitability.
Leadership is a combination of innate qualities and the opportunities and situations that allow those qualities to shine.
Mike Paul, Managing Director EMEA, InEight
As Managing Director of the Europe, Middle East and Africa (EMEA) business operations at InEight, Mike Paul leads marketing and sales efforts while defining and driving the growth of digital solutions that fuel customer success. Directly preceding his current role, Mike was Vice President of Industry Solutions, acting as the liaison between clients in the industry and InEight’s sales and development team in over 20 countries on five continents.
Mike has also served as Vice President of Solution Engineering, Director of Industry Solutions, Director of Global Channel, Sales Engineer and Sales Executive, all at InEight. Previous to his time at InEight, Mike held multiple leadership positions throughout the construction industry. These include managing all the infrastructure work on one of the nation’s first BRAC development projects at Fort Carson Army Base, negotiating large low-income housing projects in Africa, developing global supply chains for U.S. government contract needs and running his own construction company. Mike holds a bachelor’s degree in civil engineering from the University of Arizona, and an MBA from Averett University in Virginia.
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Feb 21, 2024 • 1h 27min
S8E179: Valuing the Project Timeline with Ali Mafi
In this episode, Val and Dale interview Ali Maffey about project management and the importance of lean thinking. They discuss the challenges of project planning, the role of technology in project management, and the complexity of project management tools. They also delve into the difference between identifying threats and shortening programs, the flaws of long-term planning, and the benefits of small projects. The conversation concludes with final thoughts and anecdotes from Ali.Takeaways
Lean thinking is crucial in project management as it focuses on eliminating waste and improving efficiency.
Project planning can be challenging, especially when it comes to long-term planning and forecasting risks in novel projects.
Technology plays a significant role in project management, but it can also add complexity and hinder progress if not used effectively.
Identifying bottlenecks and addressing them is essential for successful project execution.
Improving project management requires a collective effort from all project professionals, and a focus on collaboration and breaking down silos.
Ali started on-site as an engineer in Terminal 4 in 1980. I worked my way up to the project management role and, after two projects, decided how projects worked wasn't for me. Nothing seemed to work and I felt that it wasn’t intellectually engaging. It was all chasing sub-contractors and engaging in energy-sapping toxic behaviours such as blaming and defensive reasoning.
Ali left construction to do an MBA and then worked at a large automotive company looking at life cycle cost and productivity. It was during this period that I discovered an environment where things worked. The right colour door arrived at the right colour car every time.
Ali came back to construction and joined Balfour Beatty Civils and Rail major projects. Early on, I was asked, based on my automotive experience and MBA, to join the Business Improvement Team (BIT) which was probably the first of its kind in construction.
The BIT was made up of 5 of the smartest people I have met in construction. We then spent 6 years testing out everything and anything we read or heard about.
Ali started with implementing TQM before Lean Thinking. We helped Eli Goldratt with his first trial of Critical Chain. We met Gelen Ballard soon after his Last Planner paper was published. We tested out ideas from Semco and Riccardo Semler, setting up self-managing front-line teams on major projects.
In 1999, Ali was seconded to Egan’s M4I (backed by the cabinet office) as an innovation advisor. I helped develop the Construction National KPIs, promote offsite manufacturing, and encourage the use of partnering PPC2000 forms of contract.
Ali also set up and ran the first Lean Thinking training workshops in construction.
Ali was also responsible for validating the innovations claimed by the 68 Egan complaint demonstration projects and producing the ministerial report for the parliament.
In 2004 he helped set up Lean Thinking Ltd and became a member of Buildoffsite. At a later date, he supported the first BIM trial project.
Ali has been involved with more than 200 projects and have experimented with more ideas, tools, techniques, initiatives, etc, on more live projects for a longer period than probably anyone else in the industry globally.
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