Heterodox Out Loud

Rebecca Roiphe, a Trustee Professor of Law at New York Law School and author of "The Devil's Advocate," explores the evolution of legal education over the past fifty years. She discusses how the Critical Legal Studies movement transformed law schools, shifting their focus from professional training to social justice. Roiphe highlights the implications of this shift for democracy, the manipulation of legal principles, and the need for inclusive dialogue in addressing legal disparities. Her insights illuminate the ongoing tension between ideals and realities in legal practice.

In this discussion, Anna Krylov, a Professor of Chemistry at USC known for her contributions in quantum chemistry and a champion of meritocracy, tackles the contentious influence of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) on scientific progress. She shares concerns about how DEI mandates could undermine merit-based funding and public trust in science. The conversation dives into the implications of gender quotas, the rise of 'citation justice,' and the potential societal costs of prioritizing ideology over objective inquiry, questioning the future integrity of scientific research.

John Austin, Head of School at Deerfield Academy and former Headmaster at King’s Academy in Jordan, shares his insights on navigating inclusion and freedom of expression in education. He discusses the challenges surrounding diversity in schools and how structured initiatives like randomized community meals promote dialogue. Austin highlights the importance of disciplined nonpartisanship and intellectual diversity, emphasizing that independent schools can serve as innovative laboratories for fostering constructive disagreements and nurturing open-mindedness among students.

Elisha Russ-Fishbane, an Associate Professor at NYU and an expert in Jewish-Muslim relations, shares his unique academic journey shaped by a passion for Greco-Roman literature and the aftermath of September 11. He explores historical Jewish-Muslim dialogues, particularly the significant contributions of Maimonides to interfaith understanding. Elisha discusses the challenges of academia, emphasizing the importance of intellectual humility and fostering genuine connections, while reflecting on the broader purpose of education beyond mere career outcomes.

Eboo Patel, Founder and President of Interfaith America, discusses the transformative power of pluralism in universities. He shares his journey from India and how his Muslim upbringing shaped his views on social justice. Patel critiques the shift in anti-racism strategies in academia and advocates for a balance between diverse perspectives. He proposes innovative ideas for creating 'Pluralist Universities,' emphasizing respectful dialogue and intellectual diversity, and uses jazz as a metaphor for collaboration in a democratic society.

Keith Whittington, David Boies Professor of Law at Yale and director of the Center for Academic Freedom, dives into the contentious intersection of politics and higher education. He discusses Florida's 'Stop Woke Act' and its implications for academic freedom and the First Amendment. Whittington shares insights from the Academic Freedom Alliance on defending speech rights, while exploring historical legislative interventions that echo today's challenges. The conversation highlights the necessity for open discourse and the complexity of navigating censorship and government control in academia.

Musa al-Gharbi, an assistant professor at Stony Brook University and author of "We Have Never Been Woke," delves into the concept of "symbolic capitalists" and their role in perpetuating social inequalities. He critiques the moral positioning of intellectual elites who advocate for justice while reinforcing systemic problems. The discussion spans the complexities of social capitalism, performative activism, and how societal shifts since 2010 have influenced perceptions of race and inequality, revealing the intricate ties between identity and advocacy.

In this discussion, Anthony Leaker, a senior lecturer in culture and critical theory at the University of Brighton, unpacks the complexities of free speech. He argues that free speech can be manipulated by those in power, often legitimizing harmful ideologies like racism and sexism. The conversation challenges traditional liberal ideals, exploring how social media and campus dynamics perpetuate inequalities. Leaker asserts the need for a nuanced understanding of free speech, emphasizing its implications on social justice and the importance of diverse perspectives in academia.

Amna Khalid, an esteemed Associate Professor of History at Carleton College and a prominent voice within the Heterodox Academy, discusses the shifting role of universities. She tackles the dual mission of higher education: truth-seeking versus citizenship training. Khalid raises concerns about self-censorship among students and critiques the current DEI initiatives that prioritize comfort over academic rigor. The conversation explores the impact of neoliberalism on campus culture and advocates for a balanced approach to academic freedom and diverse perspectives.

Former professor of philosophy Kathleen Stock discusses the medicalization of gender questioning, societal impact of policy changes, challenges in professional settings, debates on trans women in single-sex spaces, role of free speech in academia, and concerns for academic freedom.