
Deconversion Therapy
Church scandals, conmen, cults and charlatans. Deconversion "Therapy" Podcast is your place to laugh about shady televangelists to Christian rock concerts where no one is allowed to dance.
Latest episodes

Feb 5, 2020 • 1h 5min
You're Going to Carman!
We’re back! And who better to kick off the year than with the slickest performer of all–Carman?
Rock, Jazz, Funk, or starring in his own films, he does it all. Even medical anesthesia is no match for him!
We’ve missed you. Or was that just another one of Bonnie’s lies? She loved to start rumors in college.
If you grew up in the 80s and 90s, you went to one of Carmen’s free concerts. He filled them up. Karen was even a counselor.
In this episode, we describe the man, the legend. Or we read how he describes himself. Add in some videos about how he’s A2J–Addicted to Jesus, and loves to box, and we start seeing how he has the swag to not only refuse a job with the mafia, but names the people he refused.
Don’t forget to print up one of these non-working clock faces and bring to his concert.
We just don’t get this guy.
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Jan 29, 2020 • 1h 10min
Benny Hinn and Toe Tattoos
We're back with our last retro replay.
There's cheeto and toe tattoos, then on with the show.
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Karen and Bonnie go through the lives and miracle healing powers of Kathrine Kuhlman and Benny Hill, no, Hinn. Are people really getting cured of cancer and broken backs and whatnot and various sundries? Why are all the people falling backwards when they get healed? And how in the world are these wheeler healers getting their own television shows when we don't have one?
Karen starts out with one of the best-known faith healers, Katherine Kuhlman. You might have never heard of her, but she birthed a whole litter of these guys. She was elegant and magnetic and also talked in a creepy voice.
She had her share of scandals, but we must say, being a divorced woman evangelist in the 60s with your own show isn't bad.
Bonnie gets in to someone who followed Kuhlman, idolized her, studied her--Benny Hinn. You've seen him on television. He's the one people roll their eyes at when he makes a swath of people fall out on stage.
Hinn got caught with televangelist Paula White a few years ago while in Italy. They
denied it. Then they didn't. Then they downplayed it. We don't care. At least the Kardashians admit their vice.
Hinn's nephew, Costi Hinn, has come out with a book. It's mainly for Christians, but it says all the things most people know. This is about money and power.
Mentioned on podcast: Josiah Hesse's Vice article about Jim Bakker.
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Jan 22, 2020 • 1h 21min
Dry Karen and The Graceful Atheist
We're playing The Graceful Atheist podcast on the show today. A few months ago, David interviewed Karen. His podcast questions are smart and thought-provoking. We hope you enjoy it!
You can find some great interviews at https://gracefulatheist.wordpress.com/.
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Jan 15, 2020 • 1h 8min
Saints and Ballers
We're not just playing old episodes this January, we're putting whole new intros on the front. 20 plus minutes of gobbeldy gook.
This week we discuss Bonnie's birthday, Karen's present to her, and that you can't dress up cats.
Then we break out an old Lettersode that includes Bonnie's Baller letter that listener's loved. Enjoy, SUBSCRIBE, rate, review, and sponsor us on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/deconversion
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Jan 8, 2020 • 1h 9min
Kanye and Bonnie Don't Stop
We've launched our Patreon so listeners can support this new year of our podcast. Go to https://www.patreon.com/deconversion to see our levels of support. The price of a Pumpkin Spice Latte a month would help so much, and we offer the same amount of sugar and fluff.
This week we start out with some slut-shaming from the elderly and a hint for a new episode we're working on. Then we reprise our Kanye episode which includes our medical expertise. Enjoy!
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Kanye West and His Sunday Service Spiral
Deconversion Therapy
OCT 2019
52 MIN
Karen and Bonnie discuss Kanye West’s Sunday Services going on around the country.
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Karen and Bonnie begin by trying to figure out what a Wonderwall is, reminisce about Saturday Night Live’s Shweddy Balls skit, and discuss writings on bathroom walls before getting down to professionally analyzing Kanye West.
Kanye’s new church services are in Calabasas, CA to Detroit to wherever he flies his choir to next. It’s a music-only service, which kills Bonnie. And he doesn’t even do Golddigger! It's all leading up to his new album release: Jesus is King.
They discuss Kanye’s bi-polar, liposuction, and criticism. Plus, something we didn't know is the Kardashian's previous involvement in another California church.
All we can say is #FreeKanye, because we feel like we’re watching a car wreck in slo mo.

Jan 1, 2020 • 40min
Happy New Year! Opening the Vault
We're taking some time to improve the show and replaying some of our favorite episodes.
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We RIFF on some memories of urine and being snipers before we let you loose on an episode we released on Christmas Eve of 2018.
Bonnie and Karen read their first submitted story by a listener! The subject is how Christianity shames females into thinking all sexual "sins" are their fault, even when they didn't participate!
They discuss how rapey ducks can be and how it's always the female duck who is the "stumbling block" to the "thought life" of said dicks, we mean ducks.
Karen recounts having to forgive a fellow missionary when he confesses he thought about her while masturbating, and Bonnie asks the question we all want to know: Was Fonzie having sex with all those girls he brought to his apartment above the Cunningham's garage on Happy Days?

Dec 25, 2019 • 49min
Christmess
It's here. Our gift to you is us waffling on about random things that are loosely connected to the largest holiday in the world. We give a shout-out to Josh Harris and Dave Warnock. There's some talk of Bethel church, statues that poop, and we even delve into literature.
Have a great holiday.

Dec 18, 2019 • 40min
Pastafarianism, The Flying Spaghetti Monster
We carb-load up on Pastafarianism, a religion Karen is signing up for but Bonnie can't handle the puns.
Karen had seen images with people wearing colanders on their heads, even some paintings reimagined with God being replaced by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but she never knew much about the whole thing. Their God, Wikipedia, helps enlighten them on what is a great social statement on the division of church and state.

Dec 11, 2019 • 44min
Lettersode 6: Satan, Tongues, and God's Little Extra
We can't get enough of these letters. This wad of them does not disappoint. What's better than having a famous Satanist next door? Perhaps running away from a demon at summer camp?
We tie up the episode with a great, little, letter about an acting extra who's seen some shit, and been on one of our favorite shows.
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Dec 4, 2019 • 55min
Hollywood Gods
If I was a pastor, I think I'd feel called to have a tax-exempt house in Hollywood myself.
This week, Karen and Bonnie agree to disagree about Churchome in California. It sounds like a decent community to one, it sounds like the same ol' story to the other.
Plus, we discuss the most influential Christians in Hollywood, as well as the rudest, according to Ranker.com. The list overlaps a tad.