Mile High FI Podcast

Recorded in the hotel lobby on the last day of the EconoMe conference, Doug and Carl reflect on some of the presentations and conversations they had over the weekend while also providing their own insights & observations.  They discuss various topics including: the evolution of the FIRE movement from its initial focus on accumulating wealth to its current emphasis on mental health and personal development, happiness, post-FI life challenges, and strategies for dealing with anxiety and negative thoughts. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Couldn’t make it to EconoMe this year, but still want to hang out with others in the FI community?  If so, come over to Buy Me A Coffee and hang out with us. Links “Mindy On Money” podcast Doug’s Podcast Accelerator Doug’s SEO & Marketing Podcast, “Ranking Revolution” EconoMe Conference JL Collins Katie & Alan Donegan JD Roth/foldedspace Meteorologist Kristen Amberly Grant Mark Trautman Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 1:52 Stress & anxiety 8:53 Removing the mask in retirement 12:11 Thoughts on post-retirement life 17:41 One-more-year syndrome 25:27 Happiness & confronting personal issues 29:09 Evolution of FI 34:47 Carl’s 3 tips (plus a bonus) 39:46 Podcast projects beyond MHFI 47:11 Soundcheck – Feeling tired

Doug and Carl chat with Bob Haines who is a well-known figure in the FI community due to his frequent attendance of various FI-related events such as FinCon, EconoMe, Chautauqua, and CampFI.  Bob recounts his financial journey from initially finding FI through the Tim Ferriss podcast, to discovering that he was accidentally FI already, to transitioning fully into the world of early retirement almost five years ago.  Bob also discusses the changes he’s seen in the FI community over the years and the power of FI events. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Haven’t been able to attend any FI events, but still want to hang out with others in the community?  If so, come over to Buy Me A Coffee and hang out with us. Links Connect with Bob: Instagram Facebook EconoMe Conference CampFI FI Chautauqua Tim Ferriss podcast, “Mr. Money Mustache — Living Beautifully on $25-27K Per Year (#221)” Pete Adeney/Mr. Money Mustache Mr. Money Mustache, “The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement” JL Collins, “Simple Path to Wealth” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook JL Collins Chad Carson Gwen Merz/Fiery Millennials FinCon Amberly Grant/FinTalks Cruise Amy Minkley/FI Freedom Retreats Fioneers/Slow FI Retreat Kevin Ha, “How an Ebike Can Be the Best Investment You Ever Make” Kevin Ha/Financial Panther ChooseFI Local Groups Joel & Matt/How To Money Early Retirement Extreme Bill Perkins, “Die With Zero” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook Coastal Volunteers in Medicine Mark Trautman/Mark’s Money Mind Becky Heptig/Catching up to FI Brad Barrett/ChooseFI Jordan Grumet/Earn & Invest podcast Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 4:42 Discovering FIRE & accidentally FI 12:40 What if… Life without finding FIRE 20:41 Running out of life vs running out of money 27:25 The power & attraction of FI events 39:28 Marriage & merging finances later in life 45:34 Embracing e-bikes 51:29 Luxury spending in the FI community 57:56 Changes in the FI community 1:00:31 The perfect day 1:09:06 Soundcheck – Favorite parts of EconoMe

Recorded in the hotel lobby from the EconoMe conference in Cincinnati, Doug and Carl catch-up on various topics including: a recap of their recent visit to the Culdesac community in Arizona, thoughts on e-bikes & electric vehicles, Doug’s battle with pink eye, updates to their fitness routines, and Carl’s unfortunate Facebook incident.  Doug also shares an exciting announcement about his wife’s upcoming retirement, providing insights into her journey from skepticism to embracing financial independence. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Couldn’t make it to EconoMe this year, but still want to hang out with others in the FI community?  If so, come over to Buy Me A Coffee and hang out with us. Links EconoMe Conference Pete Adeney/Mr. Money Mustache Mr. Money Mustache & Culdesac on MHFI episode 207 Culdesac Brad Barrett/ChooseFI ChooseFI podcast, “Update: Healthiest Year Ever | Dean Turner | Ep 480” UC San Diego Health, “Advent of Electric Cars Is Already Improving Health” Lex Fridman, “417 – Kimbal Musk: The Art of Cooking, Tesla, SpaceX, Zip2, and Family” Diania Merriam on MHFI Episode 199 Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 4:41 Impressions of Culdesac 10:29 Thoughts on e-bikes & robot cars 17:29 Doug’s courageous battle with pink eye 22:51 Carl’s new fitness routine 31:20 The Facebook incident 38:59 Elizabeth’s retirement: From Skepticism to FIRE 45:49 Carl’s haircut 49:41 Soundcheck – EconoMe opening party

Doug and Carl (along with special guest co-host Georgie the dog) explore the concept of stealth wealth.  Each provides their personal money story & how much work it took to arrive at their current position, the pros & cons of sharing one’s financial status with others, and how this knowledge impacts social interactions & relationships.  They also discuss giving and helping others responsibly, using wealth to support people in meaningful ways rather than in response to direct requests for money. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Are you retired or wealthy and need someone to share this information with, free from any awkwardness or judgement?  If so, head over to Buy Me A Coffee where you’ll find a safe place to share. Links CampFI Mr. Money Mustache FinCon EconoMe Conference “Mindy On Money” podcast Dan Sheeks/Sheeks Freaks Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 3:29 Carl’s money story: From anonymity to viral fame 7:28 Doug’s money story: Staying modest & hustling hard 13:27 Sharing your financial status 19:51 FI evangelism 29:42 Impact of wealth on social interactions & relationships 34:04 Navigating the corporate world 43:24 Generosity & giving back 50:07 Soundcheck – Apple hat

Pete Adeney, known as Mr. Money Mustache, is a FIRE advocate and proponent of simple living. Ryan Johnson, CEO of Culdesac, is reshaping urban life with car-free communities. They discuss Culdesac’s innovative design promoting sustainability and community, highlighting personal finance advantages of car-free living. The group shares insights on transforming urban planning to prioritize walkability. Personal experiences reveal how these changes positively impact happiness and community engagement, making a compelling case for future urban living models.

In a follow-up to MHFI Episode 187 (Fitness Madness), Doug and Carl provide an update on how they’re progressing with their original fitness goals, discuss challenges they’ve faced along the way, provide dieting & workout tips, and discuss future plans.  Carl speaks candidly about Attachment Disorder and the importance of mental health.  Also, don’t miss out on new sponsor oFartsic by pVisor. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) New “Sponsor” oFartsic: http://milehighfi.com/ofartsic Doug & Carl will be attending the EconoMe Conference in Cincinnati, OH on March 15-17, 2024.  For those interested in attending, use the coupon code MILEHIGHFI at checkout to save 10%.  https://economeconference.com/ Do you want lots of good stuff from Carl or really want that pickled asparagus?  If so, come over and support us at Buy Me A Coffee. Links “Fitness Madness”, MHFI Episode 187 Tim Ferriss “Mind Pump” podcast Chris “The Indiana Jones of FI” on MHFI Episode 020 Alan Donegan Diania Merriam & the Hoffman Process on MHFI Episode 199 Hoffman Process “Dragon” Justin David Carl on MHFI Episode 204 EconoMe Conference Brad Barrett/ChooseFI Pete Adeney/Mr. Money Mustache Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 3:56 Recapping fitness goals & progress report 11:23 Reverse dieting 16:20 Fitness challenges 21:31 Protein tips 28:08 Importance of mental health 37:59 Future fitness goals 43:05 Weight loss vs. strength training 47:40 Workout injuries 54:16 Planning future check-ins 1:02:01 Soundcheck – Bar food

Doug and Carl catch up on a potpourri of topics including recent purchases, frugal hacks, investments, optimization, skepticism, and recent books & TV shows each have been consuming.  They discuss over-optimizing & reevaluating perceptions in the areas of health & fitness and try to provide a balance by incorporating de-optimization.  Carl also introduces a new investment strategy called the “reverse index fund” or “Hot Carl”. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Are you looking for more ingenious frugal hacks such as the Culver’s coupon scam?  If so, head over to Buy Me A Coffee to find out more. Doug & Carl will be attending the EconoMe Conference in Cincinnati, OH on March 15-17, 2024.  For those interested in attending, use the coupon code MILEHIGHFI at checkout to save 10%.  https://economeconference.com/ Links EconoMe Conference The Peter Attia Drive Podcast Huberman Lab Huberman Lab supplements Tim Ferriss podcast, “Peter Attia, M.D. — Fasting, Metformin, Athletic Performance, and More (#398)” Goal Guys, “I Tried the Anti-Aging Diet for 90 Days” Tim Ferriss 4-hour books “The 4-Hour Workweek” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook “The 4-Hour Body” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook “The 4-Hour Chef” Hardcover Spiral-Bound CampFI JT on MHFI episode 110 Oliver Burkeman, “Four Thousand Weeks” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook Michael Easter, “The Comfort Crisis” Kindle Hardcover Audiobook Derek Sivers Tim Ferriss Podcast, “Rolf Potts – The Vagabond’s Way” Ramit Sethi Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 1:33 Recent purchases 5:48 The Culver’s scam 11:55 Poke 16:59 Hot Carl 22:04 Re-evaluating health & fitness optimization 29:58 Changing views & skepticism 38:58 Recent books 46:59 Recent TV shows 57:03 Soundcheck – River of water

Doug and Carl chat with Justin David Carl, a fitness, money, and life coach also known as Dragon.  Justin shares his journey from being heavily in debt and out of shape to becoming financially independent and physically fit.  He discusses the dramatic career changes he made, his discovery of the financial independence movement, and how coaching & accountability played a crucial role in his success.  Additionally, Justin explains his coaching philosophy, ‘Fit Rich Life’, and the importance of setting clear goals, tracking progress, and surrounding oneself with people who share similar aspirations. Do you think our chosen spirit animals need a little work (flamingo & border collie)?  If so, come help us find new ones at Buy Me A Coffee. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Doug & Carl will be attending the EconoMe Conference in Cincinnati, OH on March 15-17, 2024.  For those interested in attending, use the coupon code MILEHIGHFI at checkout to save 10%.  https://economeconference.com/ Links Contact Justin: Instagram Threads Twitter/X LinkedIn Fit Rich Life: Website & podcast Newsletter Coaching Free savings tracker Free 4-day workout Tim Ferriss podcast, “Mr. Money Mustache — Living Beautifully on $25-27K Per Year (#221)” Mr. Money Mustache, “The Shockingly Simple Math Behind Early Retirement” Tim Ferriss, “The 4-Hour Workweek” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook Tony Robbins “Awaken the Giant Within” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook Withings Scales JL Collins, “The Simple Path to Wealth” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook JL Collins, “Pathfinders” Kindle Hardcover Audiobook Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 1:49 Finding financial independence 7:51 Path to becoming a millionaire 15:13 Overcoming addiction & rebooting life 22:46 Kind of fit, kind of fat 29:46 Following a fitness program & the importance of sleep 38:16 Impact of coaching on personal growth 46:22 Advice for making major life changes 52:25 Carl’s fitness questions 57:15 Doug’s fitness questions 1:04:29 Fit Rich Life tools 1:11:06 Soundcheck – Cold plunges

Doug and Carl delve into the differences between being “rich” and being “wealthy”, discussing their own journeys to financial independence and the pivotal moments when they each felt rich and then wealthy.  They reflect on pieces of financial advice, how to feel wealthy, reclaiming an abundance mindset from scarcity, and the importance of evaluating personal happiness.  Both also share anecdotes about their life experiences, underscoring the inherent value in simplicity and their changing perceptions on spending as their net worth increased. Are you feeling wealthy, feeling rich, or craving simplicity?  If so, then simply come on over and support us at Buy Me A Coffee. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Doug & Carl will be attending the EconoMe Conference in Cincinnati, OH on March 15-17, 2024.  For those interested in attending, use the coupon code MILEHIGHFI at checkout to save 10%.  https://economeconference.com/ Links Morgan Housel podcast Books by Morgan Housel “The Psychology of Money” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook “Same as Ever” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook EconoMe Conference Empower (formerly Personal Capital) Pete Adeney/Mr. Money Mustache JL Collins Blog Diania Merriam on MHFI Episode 199 CampFI Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 1:07 Rich vs wealthy defined 6:46 Illusion of wealth 12:33 Consumerism – experiences & experiments 20:32 Feeling rich 25:29 Feeling wealthy 30:49 Becoming comfortable with spending & feeling wealthy 35:17 The power of simplicity 40:03 Soundcheck – Freezing water

Doug and Carl chat with Kim Ehardt, a firefighter from Austin, Texas, who unknowingly achieved Barista FI through careful savings and an unconventional career path.  Despite her financial status and ability to leave her current profession, Kim articulates a desire to shift focus from financial security alone to personal fulfillment, purpose, and happiness.  Kim’s future plans include life coaching to help others achieve their goals and potentially even starting her own podcast. Do you have a desire to help others as well?  If so, come on over and support us at Buy Me A Coffee. Save 50% site-wide on your new mattress, pillow, and bedding over at GhostBed (coupon code: MILEHIGHFI) Doug & Carl will be attending the EconoMe Conference in Cincinnati, OH on March 15-17, 2024.  For those interested in attending, use the coupon code MILEHIGHFI at checkout to save 10%.  https://economeconference.com/ Links Kim’s website Afford Anything Podcast, “#139: How I Save Half of My Income as a Firefighter, While Living in an Expensive City — with Kim E.” EconoMe Conference Matthew Walker, “Why We Sleep” Kindle Hardcover Paperback Audiobook Joe Dominguez, “Transforming Your Relationship With Money” Paperback Audiobook Audio CD Mile High FI Facebook Group Doug’s site Carl’s blog: 1500 Days — Join the Mile High FI Club – It’s our email list! Get MHFi Merch – It helps support the show. Get t-shirts & more **Disclaimer: The podcast is for informational purposes. Maybe entertainment but we won’t even make such a claim. You shouldn’t take the info as financial, legal, or tax advice. We aren’t certified financial planners or advisors. We’re not qualified for much. So get advice from professionals.** Brought To You By: The Doug Show, aka Affiliate Marketing & Side Hustles 1500 Days, Carl’s Blog about Early Retirement Email us here: doug@milehighfi.com or carl@milehighfi.com 0:00 Introduction 6:52 BaristaFI & finding FIRE 11:14 Financial peace 16:58 Firefighting & the pursuit of FI 26:16 The drive to succeed 34:09 Defining success 42:25 Challenges to FIRE ideology 49:07 Finding purpose through coaching 54:23 Impact of coaching & future plans 1:04:02 Soundcheck – Podcast motivations