CMO Confidential

A CMO Confidential Interview with Peri Hansen, Korn Ferry Leader, CMO Practice, North America. Peri discusses why the CMO position is becoming the vanguard of innovation, the importance of an "agile learner" mindset, and why there's no substitute for great leadership. Key topics include: how nothing "returned to normal" after COVID; the importance of org design; and why CMO's should own the entire customer life cycle and help drive company strategy. Tune in to hear why references matter more than ever and the importance of building a personal brand.Why the CMO Is Now the Innovation Leader | Peri Hansen, Korn Ferry CMO PracticeIn this episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Peri Hansen, leader of the CMO Practice at Korn Ferry North America, to explore how the role of Chief Marketing Officer has become the new vanguard of innovation, strategy, and customer-centric growth.From org design to leadership development, Peri breaks down the key traits of successful CMOs and why companies are no longer returning to pre-COVID norms. She shares why agile learning, personal brand-building, and owning the full customer lifecycle are now non-negotiables for modern marketing leaders.Topics Covered: • Why CMOs are being tapped to drive innovation and transformation • The post-COVID shift in org design and what it means for marketing • The importance of leadership, agility, and continuous learning • Why great references still matter in the hiring process • How CMOs can (and should) influence company-wide strategySubscribe for weekly episodes featuring world-class marketing leaders, board members, and C-Suite executives.⏱️ Chapters (Optimized for 29-minute Runtime)00:00 – Intro: The Evolving Role of the CMO01:00 – Meet Peri Hansen: Korn Ferry CMO Practice Leader02:12 – Why the CMO is Now the Vanguard of Innovation04:30 – Three New Mandates for CMOs: Tech, Strategy & Lifecycle06:50 – The CMO as a Change Agent and Team Builder08:30 – Tech CMOs Are Leading—Who’s Catching Up?10:15 – Building Tech Credibility as a Marketing Leader12:10 – “Nothing Returned to Normal” After COVID13:30 – Post-COVID Turnover: What CEOs and Boards Want Now15:30 – What’s Replacing the Traditional CMO Role?17:10 – Why Org Design Is a Top Priority in CMO Searches19:05 – How Companies Realize They Need Org Restructuring20:45 – The AI Era: Is There a Leadership Gap Forming?22:20 – What Agile Leadership Actually Looks Like24:00 – What Resumes Reveal: Pivot Points and Risk-Taking25:10 – Why References Matter More Than Ever27:00 – Final Advice: CMOs, Build Your Own Personal Brand28:40 – Wrap Up & Where to Find More CMO Confidential Content#CMOConfidential #PeriHansen  @kornferryintl  #ChiefMarketingOfficer #Leadership #OrgDesign #CustomerExperience #MarketingStrategy #PersonalBrand #ExecutiveSearch #CMOInsightsSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dan Salkey, Co-Founder & Strategy Partner at Small World, an agency designed to create "entertainment first" brands. Dan discusses the concept of "Entertain or Die," the difference between "owning" and "renting" eyeballs, and why his focus is on "saves, likes, and shares." Key topics include: the fact that attention is earned; the difference between entertaining and selling; why many tech brands forget to entertain; and how to measure "attentive cost" versus cost per impression. Tune in to hear case studies on Liquid Death and Duolingo and why Net Scout produced a Werner Herzog film.In this episode of CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Dan Salkey, Co-Founder and Strategy Partner at Small World, an agency on a mission to create entertainment-first brands. Dan unpacks his provocative framework: “Entertain or Die.” From building brand characters to measuring success in saves and shares—not impressions—this conversation is packed with insights for CMOs navigating the new attention economy.🧠 Learn why the best brands own their eyeballs instead of renting them, what marketers can learn from creators like MrBeast, and why  @netscoutinc  made a Werner Herzog documentary to stand out.🔍 Featuring case studies from Liquid Death, Duolingo, and other unexpected brand entertainers, this episode offers a blueprint for building marketing that actually gets watched—and shared.🎯 Topics Covered: • The rise of entertainment-first branding • “Saves, likes, and shares” as new core KPIs • Measuring attentive cost vs. cost per impression • The hidden power of brand characters and mascots • Why marketers need a writer’s room mindset • How boring B2B brands can still break throughSubscribe to CMO Confidential for weekly insights from top marketing executives, strategists, and creators.Dan Salkey, Entertainment First Marketing, CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Small World Agency, Liquid Death Marketing, Duolingo Brand Strategy, Branded Content, Entertain or Die, Brand Characters, Marketing Strategy 2025, Attention Economy, NetScout Werner Herzog, MrBeast Brand Playbook, Content Marketing, Virality Metrics, Branded Entertainment, Marketing Innovation, Social Media Marketing, Save and Share Strategy, B2B Brand Breakthrough, Branded Documentary, Marketing PodcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Andy Sack and Adam Brotman, Co-Founders and Co-CEO's of Forum 3, authors of the book AI First, previously at Microsoft and Starbucks. They discuss why AI is different from previous technology advances and the series of "Holy Shit!" moments experienced when interviewing Sam Altman, Bill Gates and others. Key topics include: their belief that AI is "moving faster than you think" since it isn't constrained by an adoption curve or infrastructure; the power of Artificial General Intelligence which will be smarter than most experts; why trying to calculate the ROI of AI is comparable to measuring the return on electricity; and the possibility of 95% of marketing and agency jobs being impacted over the next 5 years. Tune in to hear how Chat GPT scored a top grade on the AP Biology Exam, how Moderna became an AI leader, and their tips for staying near the front of the wave.This week on CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton sits down with Adam Brotman, former Chief Digital Officer of Starbucks and co-CEO of J.Crew, and Andy Sack, venture capitalist and Managing Partner at Keen Capital. Together they co-authored AI First and co-founded Forum3, a company on a mission to educate businesses on how to thrive in the AI era.In this episode, Adam and Andy recount their interviews with leaders like Sam Altman, Bill Gates, and Reid Hoffman—and unpack why we are at a true “Holy Sh*t Moment” in technology.Learn how generative AI is poised to replace 95% of marketing tasks, what agentic AI means for the future of work, and why marketers need to shift from campaign thinking to orchestration and system design—fast.Topics Covered: • What Adam and Andy learned from interviewing tech’s top minds • Why artificial general intelligence (AGI) is closer than you think • How AI tools will transform agency and in-house marketing roles • Why marketers must experiment now—or risk irrelevance • The unexpected productivity ROI of adopting AI toolsThis episode isn’t just about AI—it’s about how business leaders and marketers must transform to remain relevant in the age of exponential change.00:00 - Intro & AI-Powered Marketing by Publicis Sapient 01:42 - Welcome + Adam Brotman & Andy Sack intro 04:45 - Why “AI First” started as “Our AI Journey” 08:13 - The “Holy Sh*t” moment explained 10:00 - Interviewing Sam Altman and the AGI revelation 15:50 - Bill Gates’ AI holy sh*t moment 20:30 - What AGI means for marketers and agencies 25:20 - Agentic AI and spinning up marketing agents 30:40 - Consumer behavior and synthetic influencers 34:50 - How agencies must evolve or die 38:20 - The case study of Moderna's AI-first approach 41:00 - Evaluating AI vendors + building internal councils 45:10 - The ROI of AI: Productivity & Unlocks 49:00 - Playbook for becoming an AI-first org 52:30 - Funny poker shirt story + parting advice 56:00 - Closing thoughts and next episode teaser #GenerativeAI #CMOConfidential #AdamBrotman #AndySack #Forum3 #MarketingAI #AIInMarketing #AIRevolution #HolyShitMoment #AIFirst #SamAltman #BillGates #AGI #MarketingPodcast #DigitalTransformation #FutureOfWork #AIProductivity #ChiefMarketingOfficer #CMOLife #AIPlaybook #MarketingLeadership #AIForBusinessSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Michael Treff, the CEO of Code + Theory, a growing 2000 person agency which combines technology and creativity. Michael discusses the disruption in consumer behavior, why B2B client service is becoming more holistic, and why companies should "go on offense" in a time of uncertainty. Key topics include: The strategic question of "What do you want your humans to be doing;" his belief that there will be a growing demand for ROI on tech spending; how everyone can become a creative change agent; and why he hates the concept of "The Big Idea." Tune in to hear the lesson of "prompt engineers" and an analogy of how playing in a punk band is like learning to use AI.In this week’s episode of CMO Confidential, five-time CMO Mike Linton is joined by Michael Treff, CEO of award-winning agency Code and Theory for a no-holds-barred discussion on why most AI strategies are missing the point.Treff—who leads an agency named B2B Agency of the Year by Ad Age and innovation standout by Fast Company—argues that leaders are mistaking AI tools for strategy. Instead, he lays out a bold case for orchestration—aligning people, tools, and data across the enterprise to drive real customer value. Together, Mike and Michael unpack: • Why B2B marketers need to stop treating customers like corporate buyers and start treating them like humans. • Why defensive strategies during disruption are a recipe for irrelevance. • The myth of the “big idea”—and why creativity has been democratized. • Why prompt engineers were never the future. • What AI orchestration really means—and how it can finally connect data silos, unify customer journeys, and drive performance.Whether you’re a CMO, agency leader, or aspiring executive, this is an unmissable playbook for navigating AI disruption, avoiding short-sighted efficiency traps, and building brands that thrive.🎧 Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or watch the full episode on YouTube.🔗 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  — Smarter marketing, happier teams, wow-worthy customer moments.Visit: https://www.publicissapient.com#CMOConfidential #MarketingLeadership #AIinMarketing #MichaelTreff #CodeAndTheory #B2BMarketing #CMOStrategy #MarTech #MarketingPodcast #MarketingAI #MikeLinton #BrandStrategy #DigitalTransformation⸻⏱️ YouTube Chapter Timestamps:00:00 - Welcome to CMO Confidential01:15 - Meet Michael Treff, CEO of Code and Theory03:08 - AI Disruption in B2B: Humanizing the Customer06:00 - Why B2B Requires a Holistic Customer Lens08:47 - Agency Mergers & The Death of the Middle11:35 - Scale vs. Focus: Who Wins in Holding Company Wars?14:10 - Leadership in an Anxious Market: Offense vs. Defense17:25 - Code and Theory’s Internal AI Transformation20:15 - The Myth of the Prompt Engineer22:10 - Why Most AI Strategies Are Flawed25:00 - Connecting People, Tools, and Data with AI27:15 - Democratizing Creativity: What It Really Means30:00 - Why the Big Idea is Dead (and What Comes Next)32:25 - Predictions for 2025 in B2B, Tech & AI34:05 - Final Advice: Everyone Can Lead ChangeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Nancie discusses her "brand fix" classifications of refine, purposefully manage, and transform, how to get started with data even when money and time are tight, some "Taylor Swift" approaches to brand work, and the difference between mission and brand. Key topics include: how to get the organization in harmony; why "The Big Reveal" is usually the wrong way to go; and her belief that both Sephora and Apple are losing brand steam. Tune in to hear case studies on Georgetown, The Mayo Clinic, and Samsung and a humorous story about a heart attack.You were brought in to fix the brand… but what exactly does that mean? In this week’s episode of CMO Confidential, host and 5x CMO Mike Linton sits down with brand strategist Nancie McDonnell Ruder, founder of Noetic Consulting, to unpack the real-world challenges behind “fixing” a brand.From navigating crises at major healthcare institutions to helping Georgetown University build brand alignment across decentralized marketing teams, Nancie shares her proven frameworks and hard-won insights on strengthening brands from the inside out.They discuss: • The difference between a brand crisis, a refinement, and a transformation • What to do when your brand is suffering—but the real problem lies elsewhere • Why internal alignment and education are non-negotiable for brand success • The 5 best practices for brand revitalization (with names like Taylor Swift songs!) • Brand fails to avoid—including the “Big Reveal” trap and skipping customer data • And yes… the show ends with a heart attack, mouth-to-mouth CPR, and a forehead kiss (you’ll just have to listen)00:00 – Intro: Welcome & episode setup01:02 – What does it really mean to “fix the brand”?03:45 – The Georgetown University brand refinement case06:25 – Standing up a brand for the first time (Mayo Clinic example)08:55 – Brand crisis vs. product/perception issue: How to tell the difference11:40 – Diagnosing the real problem: What does the data say?14:05 – Samsung’s brand affinity challenge and how they solved it16:20 – The 5 best practices for brand revitalization (Taylor Swift edition)19:45 – Worst practices: The “big reveal,” internal misalignment, and ignoring skeptics23:05 – The importance of activating the brand internally25:30 – Brands to watch: Sephora, Apple, and Domino’s28:20 – Funniest brand moment: A heart attack, CPR, and unexpected teamwork31:15 – Final takeaway + Mike’s sauceless pizza story33:30 – Outro: Upcoming episodes and where to subscribeIf you’re a CMO, CEO, board member, or founder facing brand issues—or aiming to avoid them—this episode is your toolkit.🔔 Subscribe to stay on top of what it really takes to lead marketing at the highest level.📥 Newsletter with top takeaways drops every Friday: https://cmoconfidential.substack.comCMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Nancie McDonnell Ruder, brand strategy, fix the brand, brand transformation, brand refinement, marketing strategy, CMO insights, internal alignment, brand health, Noetic Consulting, Georgetown University marketing, Mayo Clinic brand, Samsung brand case, leadership mistakes, brand campaign, CMO podcast, top marketing podcast, marketing leadership, executive marketing, board-level strategy, brand storytelling, marketing turnaround, nonprofit marketing, higher ed marketing, Apple brand erosion, Domino’s case study, Taylor Swift brand songs, marketing best practicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School Professor and author of "Why They Do It - Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal". Eugene discusses how most crimes start out as small, often unnoticed decisions made by strategic people, how nearly everyone has a chance to step over the line, why many companies (Air BnB, Uber, AI) take regulatory risk, and how culture drives poor individual choices. Key topics include: when puffery gets murky; why it's dangerous to "convince yourself;" why it doesn't matter "who signed off;" and the "fraud triangle." Listen in to hear why humility and counterpoints are critical, what he learned about risk assessment from the Free Solo climber, the "difference between being an arms dealer and a transportation company," and how there are "a million ways to pay a bribe."In Part 2 of our conversation with Harvard Business School professor and author of Why They Do It, Dr. Eugene Soltes, we dive even deeper into the ethical gray zones that surround today’s most ambitious companies. From social media firms that hide behind “just connecting people” to leaders who convince themselves their actions are justified, Eugene explains how culture, rationalization, and groupthink drive even the smartest executives into trouble.You’ll learn why having a sign-off from Legal is never enough, why the “show me where it says I can’t” culture is so corrosive, and why CMOs must understand the difference between business risk and integrity risk. We also hear Eugene’s story of climbing (briefly) with Free Solo legend Alex Honnold and how that shaped his thinking around open-eyed risk—a model every marketing leader should understand.Topics include: • Why CMOs can’t hide behind Legal • The “arms dealer” mindset in corporate marketing • Risk culture vs. innovation culture • How companies accidentally incentivize bad behavior • Psychological safety vs. performative candor • The million ways bribes get disguised • The importance of personal humility—even in the C-Suite📌 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  – AI marketing platforms for personalization 00:00 – Intro 01:00 – Welcome Back: Convincing Yourself It’s OkayMike and Eugene dive into self-deception and ethical gray zones in corporate decisions.02:10 – Don’t Count on the Sign-OffWhy “someone else signed off” isn’t a defense, and the importance of owning your decisions.03:30 – The Explain-to-Your-Spouse TestEugene’s replacement for the outdated “newspaper test” of ethical clarity.04:45 – Know What You’re Signing Up ForIgnorance as a leadership failure and why it’s never an excuse.06:00 – Taking Ethical Stands as a MarketerWhat to do when legal says it’s okay but your gut says otherwise.07:15 – Integrity vs. Strategic RiskA key distinction for marketers: smart business risk vs. ethical risk.08:20 – “A Million Ways to Pay a Bribe”Creative examples of corruption and why culture enables them.10:15 – The “Show Me Where It Says I Can’t” CultureHow policy loopholes can foster ethical erosion.12:00 – The Role of Legal and ComplianceHow to use counsel the right way—not just for CYA.14:00 – The Fraud Triangle + Rationalization RiskHow pressure, opportunity, and rationalization lead to ethical drift.15:45 – Everyone Has the Chance to Be the Bad AppleThe universal risk of stepping over the line—and why culture matters.16:30 – Regulatory Arbitrage: Uber, AI, and the Gray ZoneWhy innovation often requires pushing boundaries—and accepting consequences.18:00 – Free Solo Climbing and Open-Eyed RiskWhat Eugene learned about risk from Alex Honnold and what CMOs can take from it.20:30 – Evaluating Risk from Multiple AnglesWhy great leaders view risk with humility and diversity of perspective.22:00 – Groupthink and the Myth of MomentumThe danger of unchecked optimism and lack of internal dissent.23:30 – The Limits of Mandated Psychological SafetyWhy culture change can’t be legislated—and how real safety is built.24:30 – Final Question: Funny Story or Practical AdviceEugene’s “most awkward moment” and his parting advice on cultivating humility.27:00 – Wrap-Up and Upcoming EpisodesMike closes out with highlights from other case-based episodes.Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School, white collar crime, CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, ethical marketing, corporate risk, compliance and marketing, groupthink, fraud triangle, Free Solo risk, Alex Honnold business, regulatory arbitrage, arms dealer logic, psychological safety, puffery vs fraud, legal sign-off, integrity in marketing, Publicis Sapient, personalized marketing AI, marketing leadership, executive ethics, culture of compliance, corporate governance, CMOs and riskSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Eugene Soltes, Harvard Business School Professor and author of "Why They Do It - Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal". Eugene discusses how most crimes start out as small, often unnoticed decisions made by strategic people, how nearly everyone has a chance to step over the line, why many companies (Air BnB, Uber, AI) take regulatory risk, and how culture drives poor individual choices. Key topics include: when puffery gets murky; why it's dangerous to "convince yourself;" why it doesn't matter "who signed off;" and the "fraud triangle." Listen in to hear why humility and counterpoints are critical, what he learned about risk assessment from the Free Solo climber, the "difference between being an arms dealer and a transportation company," and how there are "a million ways to pay a bribe."⸻📄 Show Description Wonder what separates creative risk from criminal risk?In this provocative episode of CMO Confidential, five-time CMO Mike Linton sits down with Harvard Business School Professor and author of Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White Collar Criminal, Dr. Eugene Soltes. Together, they explore the murky line between strategic marketing and ethical missteps — and why most white-collar crimes don’t start with bad intentions.From regulatory arbitrage in tech and AI to the blurred boundaries of puffery vs. fraud, Eugene unpacks how culture, pressure, and self-justification fuel decisions that ruin reputations, careers, and companies.Key insights include: • Why “almost anyone” can cross the line • How Uber, Airbnb, and AI firms leverage legal gray zones • The danger of “convincing yourself” • When codes of ethics become puff pieces • The fraud triangle in corporate behavior • Lessons from arms dealers and social media companies • Why humility and counterpoints matter in marketing decisionsThis is a masterclass in risk, ethics, and the reputational cliff CMOs stand on every day.🔗 Sponsored by  @PublicisSapient  Sapient — Personalization at the speed of AI. Learn more at www.publicissapient.com00:00 - Introduction & Sponsor Message 01:47 - Meet Dr. Eugene Soltes: Why He Wrote to White Collar Criminals 05:21 - Why White Collar Crime Happens: The Gray Area Between Ethics & Illegality 09:40 - The "Borderline" Class at Harvard and Who Falls into the Gray Zone 13:36 - Regulatory Arbitrage: Uber, Airbnb, and AI’s Legal Loopholes 18:45 - The Copyright Dilemma in Generative AI 21:30 - Puffery vs. Fraud: The Murky Messaging Middle 25:10 - When Ethics Codes Are Just Marketing 27:25 - Pharma Case Study: When Optimism Becomes DeceptionSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Teresa Barreira, EVP & Global CMO and CCO of Publicis Sapient, formerly the CMO of Deloitte Consulting. Teresa discusses the evolution of the role in an age of uncertainty, how the "Business of Marketing" has been replaced by "The Business of the Company," and her belief that B2B and B2C Marketing are converging. Key topics include: why she believes the role is evolving to a "Chief Value Officer" tasked with being a "growth architect;" the differing types of transformation; and why having both a positive attitude and an opinion are more important than ever. Tune in to hear the parallels between Darwin's finches, butterflies, and CMO's.Teresa shares her insights on how the “business of marketing” has been replaced by the “business of the company,” why the traditional CMO is evolving into a “Chief Value Officer,” and how B2B and B2C marketing are rapidly converging. She also covers the types of transformation companies are pursuing, the skills needed to thrive in a world dominated by AI, and why attitude, curiosity, and having a strong point of view are more important than ever.You won’t want to miss Teresa’s analogies about Darwin’s finches, butterflies, and the modern CMO, or her predictions for the future of marketing leadership.🔗 Learn more about Publicis Sapient: https://www.publicissapient.com/👉 Subscribe for more insights on the future of marketing leadership: • 🎧 Apple Podcasts • 🎧 Spotify • 📺 YouTube⸻#cmoconfidential , #TeresaBarreira,  @PublicisSapient  , #chiefmarketingofficer, #FutureofMarketing, #marketingleadership , #b2bmarketing, #b2cmarketing, #DigitalTransformation, #ChiefValueOfficer, #aiinmarketing, #MarketingCareers, #BusinessTransformation, #HybridWorkforce, #CMOEvolution, #MikeLinton, #CMOPodcast, #C-SuiteInsights, #GrowthStrategy, #MarketingStrategy, #ExecutiveLeadership, #corporatestrategySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dr. Joel Shapiro, Managerial Economics & Decision Sciences Professor at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern, formerly Varicent Chief Analytics Officer. Joel discusses the difference between Data Science and Data Leadership, how many "little, better decisions" aggregate into something meaningful, and why everyone should remember that "data doesn't make decisions." Key topics include: understanding asymmetric risk, how intangibles scuttled a profitable data driven opportunity; why you should never say "because the model says so;" and the need to set error expectations to build trust. Tune in to hear about his research on planning for adversity in the NFL.📄 Show Description (Apple/Spotify/YouTube)What happens when a grocery chain discovers a $100M+ opportunity through data science—and still says no?In this episode of CMO Confidential, host Mike Linton welcomes Dr. Joel Shapiro, Professor at Northwestern’s Kellogg School of Management, to unpack the real-world lessons from “The Grocer Case.” Together, they explore what really kills data-driven decisions at the executive level—and why predictive analytics alone isn’t enough.From pilot success to boardroom rejection, this episode goes deep on: • Why organizations reject seemingly obvious, high-ROI data initiatives • The hidden costs of model opacity, trust, and organizational culture • What CMOs and business leaders must understand about data leadership • The critical distinction between data science and data influence • What the Euro Grocer case reveals about AI adoption challenges • Lessons on decision asymmetry from child welfare to NFL roster managementIf you’re navigating the gap between analytics and execution, this one’s for you.📍 Hosted by Mike Linton, former CMO of eBay, Best Buy, Farmers Insurance, and Ancestry.com.🔔 Subscribe for weekly episodes featuring candid conversations with top marketing minds, business professors, and C-suite leaders.#CMO podcast, #Grocer case study, #Joel Shapiro Kellogg, #marketing data strategy, #decision #science in business, #predictive analytics case study, #CMO Confidential podcast, #data science failure, #why data initiatives fail, #business data leadershipSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.