CMO Confidential

A CMO Confidential Interview with Michael Treff, the CEO of Code and Theory joins us for our 150th Show to share observations on the major forces impacting the B2B space. Michael details how "empowered buyers" are forcing sellers to increase focus on customer value creation and transforming marketing and sales from "leads to information" which is also shifting spending to capital expense. Key topics include: why the next AI frontier is customer experience; the need for companies to have both a long and short-term AI plans; why budgeting won't get any easier and; the gap between the CX problems and CX actions. Tune in to hear why you need to have an "AI plan for your humans" and learn if you need " a personalized relationship with your mustard."CMO Confidential #150: Michael Treff on B2B’s Year-In-Review, What’s Next, and How AI Will Actually Drive Growth**B2B is being rebuilt from the core. Michael explains why budgets are shifting from media to infrastructure, how the funnel is being rewritten by agentic search, and where AI must move from efficiency to growth. We also cover the KPIs that matter, budgeting realism for 2026, and three things every CMO should know by the end of next year. Sponsored by Typeface—the agentic AI marketing platform helping brands turn one idea into thousands of on-brand experiences. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Chapters**00:00 Intro + show setup01:00 Sponsor: Typeface — agentic AI marketing, enterprise-grade & integrated02:00 Guest intro: Michael Treff, CEO of Code and Theory03:00 B2B landscape: investment shifts, changing journeys, disintermediation07:00 From MQLs to value: sales enablement and end-to-end outcomes10:00 Mid-roll: Typeface ARC agents & content lifecycle11:00 Why suites win: implementation and value realization after the sale15:00 AI phases: Wave 1 (efficiency) → Wave 2 (growth) pressures on agencies17:00 CX as the bridge: measure outcomes, not vanity metrics22:00 Roadmaps, humans, and culture—planning beyond point tools26:00 Budget reality check: deliberation, polarization, and trade-offs29:00 Personalization vs. business impact—what to fund and measure33:00 By end of 2026: know your human plan, AI maturity, and new journeys35:00 2026 prediction: the ROI vice tightens—agencies must be consultative36:00 Closing advice: “Interrogate everything yourself.”38:00 Wrap + where to find past episodes39:00 Sponsor close: Typeface—see how ASICS & Microsoft scale personalization**About our sponsor, Typeface** @typefaceai  is the first multimodal, agentic AI marketing platform that automates workflows from brief to launch, integrates with your MarTech stack, and delivers enterprise-grade security—named AI Company of the Year by Adweek and a TIME Best Invention. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo. **Tags**B2B marketing, enterprise marketing, customer experience, AI marketing, agentic AI, marketing ROI, sales enablement, Code and Theory, Michael Treff, Mike Linton, CMO strategy, marketing budget, personalization, Martech, TypefaceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Evan Wittenberg, a seasoned HR executive and Chief People Officer at VuMedi, delves into the evolving role of HR and its intricate connection to marketing. He discusses the heightened scrutiny both fields face and the importance of data in decision-making. Evan emphasizes the need for dedicated people partners in every function and explains how hybrid work impacts mentorship opportunities. He also shares valuable hiring signals and offers unique insights from his time at Saturday Night Live that highlight the importance of excelling in your current role.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Kip Knight, founder of CMO Coaches, former CMO of Taco Bell and H&R Block USPresident. Kip lays out the case for marketers to build their brands based on trust, authenticity and personal core principles along with an objective understanding of "what you are really famous for being able to accomplish." Key topics include: why executive presence matters; the combination of emotional IQ and curiosity; the need for resume "proof points;" and why role models matter. Tune in to hear networking tips, why you want to know what "they say about you when you aren't in the room" and the power of a handwritten thank you note. Kip Knight (Founder, CMO Coaches; former Taco Bell CMO & H&R Block US Retail President) joins Mike Linton to get practical about building a durable *personal brand* as a marketing leader. We cover a three-step framework (self-assessment - positioning - activation), executive presence (IQ + EQ + CQ), how to lead with truth during tough calls, and why handwritten notes still matter. Sponsored by Typeface — the agentic AI marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets. Learn more: typeface.ai/cmo.**Key points**• Personal brands aren’t accidental: in today’s AI-accelerated market, being findable and consistent is table stakes for senior roles. • The framework: start with a rigorous self-assessment (360s, reviews, assessments), then define positioning around your true superpowers, and finally activate with proof points. • Be objective: ambition without a strategy and measurable evidence sets you up to fail; build real proof points before you sell your story. • Executive presence = IQ + EQ + CQ (curiosity). Lean into new tech (e.g., GenAI) and stay relentlessly curious. • Truth is better than spin in crises: define reality, be transparent, and your team will follow you through hard decisions (e.g., headcount cuts). • Culture is the stories told when you’re not in the room; leaders are “always on,” so model consistency and principle-led behavior. • CMOs as business integrators: convene IT, Legal, Finance, HR, and the CEO to make the right GenAI bets with clear success criteria. • Power move: send handwritten notes on high-quality stationery; the impact far exceeds email. **Chapters**00:00 Welcome + sponsor: Typeface — why brand still wins in the age of AI 03:00 Why your personal brand matters more than ever 06:00 Being findable & consistent in an AI world 07:00 The 3-part framework: self-assessment - positioning - activation 10:00 Doing an honest self-assessment (360s, reviews, Working Genius) 14:00 Turning strengths into positioning; knowing your kryptonite 16:00 Executive presence: IQ, EQ, and CQ (curiosity quotient) 20:00 Truth-telling vs. vulnerability during layoffs and tough calls 23:00 Role models, “always on” leadership, and culture as stories 29:00 CMOs as business integrators on GenAI — how to run the process 32:00 Networking that works: “How can I help you?”, warm intros, no ghosting 34:00 Elite habit: handwritten notes on great stationery (why it lands) 36:00 Wrap + where to find more CMO Confidential TagsCMO,marketing leadership,personal brand,executive presence,brand strategy,career development,marketing careers,AI in marketing,agentic AI,Typeface,leadership,coaching,CMO Coaches,Kip Knight,Mike Linton,GenAI,networking,culture,trust,authenticity,handwritten notes,frameworks,positioning,activation,EQ,CQ,P&L,growth,enterprise marketing,YouTube podcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Join former Starbucks Chief Digital Officer Adam Brotman and investor Andy Sack as they dive into the explosive growth of AI and its implications for business. They discuss why only 5% of companies are making significant strides with AI, the importance of using it daily, and the blockers hindering progress. Expect insightful predictions for 2026, including potential entries from tech giants and the risks of AI fraud highlighted by a staggering $20 million scam. Tune in for practical tips on integrating AI into your daily workflow!

In this talk, Mike Walrath, the Chairman and CEO of Yext and former CEO of Right Media, dives into the unraveling of the traditional marketing funnel due to AI. He explains how AI compresses awareness and consideration, causing CMOs to adapt and prioritize structured first-party data over flashy websites. Walrath predicts a shift toward influence marketing, emphasizing the importance of branding as judgment remains with consumers. He shares practical advice on managing data like a garden and the risks of unsupervised AI interactions, making it a must-listen for marketing professionals.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Jim Lecinski, Clinical Professor of Marketing at the Kellogg School of Management, author, and former Google VP. Jim discusses why he believes marketers are often overly focused on using AI for productivity improvements versus business growth, the gaps between marketers and the C-Suite highlighted by recent Gartner research, and the difference between "big frontier models" and "shiny objects." Key topics include: why you should avoid "gray market AI", how to manage the 5 AI risks (privacy, accuracy, regulatory, personnel, and reputation), and the false precision that accompanies a focus on intermediate measures like Click Through Rate (CTR). Tune in to hear why he's not a fan of Cannes and how AI helped figure out a wedding invitation calling for "casual to semi-formal beach attire."What should CMOs actually do with AI right now—and how do you avoid chasing shiny objects? Mike Linton sits down with Jim Lecinski, Professor of Marketing at Northwestern’s Kellogg School (and author of The AI Marketing Canvas and Winning the Zero Moment of Truth) to unpack the AI application layer: the good, the bad, and the ugly. Jim explains why CEOs-CFOs obsess over growth (not merely efficiency), how to reframe marketing dashboards around business outcomes, and his simple two-by-two for AI use cases (internal productivity vs. external value creation). We cover privacy, legal/regulatory, personnel, and reputational risks—and how to mitigate them—plus a pragmatic roadmap: center on a leading frontier model and layer vetted apps instead of stitching together fragile point solutions. Jim also shares candid takes on Cannes vs. Effies and ends with a challenge: personally build something with AI before year-end.You’ll learn:* Growth over cost-cutting: aligning with CEO-CFO priorities and measuring ends, not means* The AI use-case 2×2: internal productivity vs. external, customer-facing value creation* Practical examples (e.g., apparel personalization) that lift CSAT, CLV, and revenue* The 5 risk buckets (privacy, accuracy, regulatory-IP, personnel, reputation) and guardrails* How to choose core models (GPT, Gemini, Claude) and avoid “tool soup”* Why awards that honor outcomes beat awards that celebrate activityGuest: Jim Lecinski — Professor of Marketing, Northwestern Kellogg; former VP Customer Solutions (Americas) at Google; author of The AI Marketing Canvas (2nd ed.) & Winning the Zero Moment of Truth.Host: Mike Linton — former CMO of Best Buy, eBay, Farmers Insurance; CRO of Ancestry.com.Sponsor: Better marketing is built on Quad. See how better gets done at (https://www.quad.com/resources/research-and-tools/return-of-touch-consumer-engagement-has-an-omnichannel-revival?utm_source=cmoconfidential&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=001_brand&utm_id=podcastnl1031&utm_content=a-paidemail&utm_vp=)If you’re enjoying the show, please like, subscribe, and share with your leadership team. New episodes every Tuesday; companion newsletter on Fridays.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Abhay Parasnis, Founder & CEO of Typeface, Board Member of Dropbox and Schneider Electronic, formerly EVP of Adobe. Abhay discusses the large gap between AI expectations and execution, the human and cultural issues in the way of adoption, and the C-Suite's responsibility to "guide the change" versus demand and monitor progress. Key topics include: recognizing and managing the 3 types of resistance; why specific targeted use cases are the best way to begin; the difference between Moore's Law and Amara's Law; and how to determine if you are a resistor or a pragmatic business leader. Tune in to hear an analogy of why AI is similar to Formula One where everyone has a powerful vehicle and winning is driven by how teams master and manage that power. AI is the biggest shift of our careers—but most companies are stuck at the “cool demo” stage. In this episode, former Adobe CTO/CPO and Typeface founder/CEO Abhay Parasnis joins Mike Linton to unpack the AI cold start problem: how to move from experiments to enterprise impact. We cover where the C-suite is pushing, why practitioners are hesitating, and how to design lighthouse wins that change the org—not just the deck.Abhay shares hard numbers (a 93% lift from email personalization in 120 days), why “watermelon metrics” derail programs, and the new reality that as agents/bots consume more content, your brand narrative must be built for machines and humans. We dig into the accountability shift from agencies to in-house teams, how to evaluate vendors without boiling the ocean, and the culture moves leaders need to close the gap between ambition and adoption.What you’ll learnA practical AI playbook: pick one revenue-adjacent use case, rewire the process, measure before/after, then scaleHow to align the board, C-suite, and operators to avoid “innovation theater”Where AI drives top-line growth vs. simple cost takeout—and how to prove itSpotting resistance (job loss fears, “new thing” fatigue, agency incentives) and converting it into momentumThe right vendor questions (and red flags) to separate sizzle from outcomesWhy authenticity, governance, and legal guardrails must ship with your AI stackAbout AbhayFounder & CEO of Typeface (AI-powered personalized marketing). Former CTO & CPO at Adobe; leadership roles at Microsoft and Oracle; board member at Dropbox and Schneider Electric.Sponsor — QuadMarketing only works when everything works together. That’s why Quad is obsessed with reducing friction and integrating smarter—so your marketing machine runs faster with better ROI. See how better gets done: https://www.quad.com/buildbetterChapters (38:00)00:00 Intro & sponsor01:10 Guest intro & topic setup03:10 The AI cold start problem & Amara’s Law07:00 C-suite urgency vs. practitioner reality11:30 Beyond efficiency: driving top-line growth15:10 Content demand, bots/agents, and “watermelon metrics”19:20 Case study: 93% lift from email personalization23:30 Resistance patterns: job loss, new-thing fatigue, agency economics29:10 Vendor questions & lighthouse projects that actually ship33:10 Legal, authenticity, and governance considerations35:30 Closing advice: beginner’s mindset + bet on people37:30 WrapSubscribeNew episodes every Tuesday on YouTube, Apple, and Spotify. If you’re a CMO, CEO, CFO, COO, founder, or rising marketing leader—hit subscribe for executive-level conversations that translate directly to results.Host: Mike LintonGuest: Abhay Parasnis ( @typefaceai  )Tags:CMO Confidential,Mike Linton,Abhay Parasnis,Typeface,Adobe,AI in marketing,AI cold start,Generative AI,Amara’s Law,Marketing leadership,Change management,C suite,Board of directors,Agency model,Marketing efficiency,Top line growth,Email personalization,Content at scale,Marketing ROI,Measurement,Watermelon metrics,MarTech,CDP,Vendors,Quad,Sponsor,Marketing podcast,Digital transformation,Creative operations,PersonalizationSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Richard Sanderson, a leader in executive compensation at Spencer Stuart, shares crucial insights on navigating salary negotiations. He emphasizes the importance of leveraging the verbal offer stage to align on compensation terms without damaging trust. Richard discusses how to identify employers’ negotiation styles and the variety of negotiable elements including severance and relocation costs. He also advises on conducting a multi-year cash flow analysis and being transparent about pay structures to alleviate team anxiety, providing a roadmap for securing fair compensation.

In this insightful discussion, Richard Sanderson, Practice Leader at Spencer Stuart, unpacks the intricacies of executive compensation for marketing leaders. He highlights the challenges of scarce CMO pay data and the significance of understanding salary, bonuses, and equity. Topics include the critical differences between RSUs, options, and PSUs, as well as timing and best practices for negotiating offers. Richard also emphasizes the importance of being aware of new pay-equity laws and the strategy behind making your 'one big ask' at the offer stage.

A CMO Confidential Interview with Dwight Hutchins, Senior Managing Director of Boston Consulting Group (BCG) and a Northwestern Adjunct Professor, previously Managing Director at Accenture focused on Consumer Products, Health Care and Public Service. Dwight shares his thinking on why marketers should be prepared to reduce expenses and shift resources into a re-imagined future versus incrementally evolving spend and structure. Key topics include: his belief that the complexity of marketing has resulted in many instances of wasted spending; the importance of "unaided first brand response;" why it's important to be "ahead of the expense reduction game;" and how to focus on working versus non-working dollars. Tune in to hear how about reducing $1B in spend to fund new initiatives and a "wild west" story about a battery on-pack promotion.The Fine Art of Reducing Marketing Expense in an AI WorldThis week on CMO Confidential, Mike Linton sits down with Dwight Hutchins—Senior Partner & Managing Director at Boston Consulting Group and adjunct professor at Northwestern—to tackle the question every CMO hears from the CFO: “Keep the top line growing… and cut your budget.”Dwight explains how to find waste without hurting performance, where AI actually improves efficiency (and where it doesn’t), how to test into cuts with confidence, and why many brands still miss “sufficiency” by spreading spend like peanut butter. We dig into frequency capping, working vs. non-working ratios, zero-based budgeting (used sanely), org design, insource vs. outsource, and a real-world case where a company freed up billions and redeployed it to growth channels. Stay for his “Wild West” in-store marketing story—complete with batteries taped to milk.Sponsored by Typeface — the AI-native, agentic marketing platform that turns one idea into thousands of on-brand assets across channels, safely integrated with your MarTech stack. See how leaders like ASICS and Microsoft scale personalized content with Typeface.⸻⏱️ Chapters00:00 – Intro & guest: Dwight Hutchins (BCG)02:05 – The market reality: uncertainty, shifting buyer values06:10 – CFO pressure: “grow and cut” in the same breath09:20 – AI spend vs. payoff: recalibrating expectations12:25 – Media fragmentation & the “peanut butter” budget problem15:55 – Where AI helps most: measurement, targeting, creative ops19:10 – Forensic cuts case study: freeing up massive dollars23:10 – Finding waste: frequency caps, ad length, quality controls27:05 – “First Fast Response”: demand spaces & brand power30:20 – Sufficiency & focus: stop starving campaigns33:05 – Working vs. non-working: ratios that actually move results35:20 – Zero-based budgeting (in moderation, with data)37:10 – Org & ops: redesigning execution, in/outsourcing lines38:55 – Fun story: the “batteries-on-milk” promo & promo ROI40:00 – Final takeaways & sponsor⸻CMO Confidential, Mike Linton, Dwight Hutchins, Boston Consulting Group, BCG, marketing efficiency, reduce marketing spend, AI in marketing, marketing analytics, media mix optimization, frequency capping, working vs non-working, zero-based budgeting, ZBB, demand spaces, brand strategy, executive leadership, CFO CMO alignment, budget cuts, marketing operations, insource vs outsource, creative operations, measurement and attribution, marketing governance, content at scale, Typeface, Typeface AI, generative AI for marketing, agentic AI, MarTech integration, CMOs, marketing leadership, board expectations, growth and efficiency, case study, social media shift, campaign sufficiencySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.