Healing The Spirit: Astrology, Archetypes & Artmaking

In this episode, Jenny Chu and I created a rich conversation on time that stretched beyond strict, societally-agreed definitions. We reached into relational, experiential exploration of how we can be with time, calling into question our perception of time, our sense of the spirit of time, our shared love for the work of the Italian physicist Carlo Rovelli, and how studying astrology has changed our relationship with time. Jenny has a truly brilliant mind and is a beautiful conversationalist so our discussion (spiralically) branched out in many different ways that feels very organic. In addition to the topic of time, we also explored the Buddhist idea of the Middle Path, the I-Ching and other forms of divination, and even how Evolutionary Astrology connects with Buddhism. All of these seemingly disparate topics are brought together in such a seamless way throughout this conversation. A little bit about our astrological birth charts - Jenny’s North Node in Gemini is in very close conjunction with my Moon in Gemini, and I think you’ll probably be able to hear it. This conversation feels lit up and connected with the energy of Gemini and Sagittarius in the best way possible. Here's Jenny's bio: Jenny M. Chu is a thinking artist and she's an older sister to a younger brother and raised by two immigrant parents by way of Saigon and Hong Kong. She has studied evolutionary astrology with Sabrina Monarch, embodied astrology with Renee Sills, and is currently in the Transits and Predictive Astrology Cohort led by Oak of Oak Astrology that centers decolonization and the BIPOC experience.Connect with Jenny through her Instagram account @AZN_Auntie_Astro.  Jenny is currently offering 1-hour natal chart readings through AZN Auntie Astro. You can schedule with her directly at the Calendly link or you can reach her directly via Instagram at AZN_Auntie_Astro if you have any questions.Some resources that we mentioned: Carlo Rovelli's The Order of Time, Dali's The Persistence of Memory, and Richard Tarnas's Cosmos and Psyche. Support the creation of this podcast by becoming a paid subscriber. You’ll receive access to 1-2 bonus episodes a month, subscriber-only essays, and exclusive first-look at drafts of new essays.If you’d like to work with me 1:1, I offer single guidance sessions as well as private mentorship containers (3 months+). We co-create a supportive field for you to move through important life thresholds with grace and deepen your capacity for creative expansions using astrology, human design, and energy work.Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at healingthespiritpodcast@gmail.com.

In this very special episode, I'm joined by my fellow classmates from Meteorite 2021, an astrological embodiment container facilitated by Sabrina Monarch. We discussed the idea of astrology as a future language. We also discussed the idea of the spirit of language, our own personal experiences learning astrology, what it means to be human beings who interact with the vast possibilities of the astrological language, and the future of astrology within our communities.A special thank you to Verena Borell, Sabrina Monarch, Mirella Trimboli, Kelly Chalmers, Jenny Chu, A.S. Katoch (Rudy), Maddie Gaieski, Fabiola Calvo, and Nicole Elyse for contributing their incredible insights. Connect with them  and check out their incredible offerings!Learn more about Meteorite 2022 Class here. Application is open until February 28, 2022.This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @nate_qi, my music, and click here to book an astrology reading with me. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at healingthespiritpodcast@gmail.com.Here are timestamps for our discussion:[06:44] Jonathan on the concept of Future Language.[12:04] Verena on simultaneously learning astrology and English[17:00] Sabrina on language to describe something never named before, and the somatic experience of receiving that language; the contrast between daily language and astrology[20:20] Mirella on the experience of learning astrology alongside Italian; approaching languages through analytical means vs. intuitively allowing language to wash over you; the feeling component in language[27:34] Kelly on how archetypes infuse our consciousness; how astrology introduces us to dimensions not available in our education and work systems[30:50] Verena on the movement of the astrological nodal axis from Gemini - Sagittarius into Taurus - Scorpio.[33:48] Jenny on language and meaning-making; the slippery, ever-shifting nature of astrology challenging our notion of fixed-ness in our meaning-making.[36:44] Jonathan on channeling - how artists and corporate VPs are essentially channeling when they create something out of nothing; how to be a clear channel[38:42] Kelly on working with the chart to guide ourselves to find the appropriate setup for our specific channels[39:48] Sabrina on the relationship between Vesta and Hermes: the importance of discerning the fire we want to tend to in being a clear channel[42:04] Mirella on the connection between Mercury and Uranus[43:36] Verena on the Akashic records: the potential overwhelm and the need for discernment when working in the vast realm of information[47:14] Maddie on astrology as the lens with potential to evolve us and those around us[48:04] Jenny on the how language can get stuck, how astrology can be flattened; the need to be careful about creating a dogmatic framework using language that can be used to categorize people[49:40] Jonathan on moving away from completely merging the human and their birth chart in astrological readings[51:12] Fabiola on how astrology holds the spirit of connection and as the language of movement, connecting to dreams and more fluid ways of being in the world; astrology as the language that offers an alternative to pain associated with our daily language[53:22] Nicole on using language to disguise one’s self and to blend in; astrology as a language we can use for ourselves and our use only, to get to know ourselves.[56:04] Rudy on developing astrological fluency alongside the language of depth psychology; the Logos of astrological language.[1:03:56] Verena on the fear of speaking, the witch wound in relation to Capricorn, Gemini, and Scorpio; the power of astrology in helping liberate us from the fear of speaking out[1:08:24] Jonathan muses that perhaps astrology is more than a language, and how astrology itself has evolved over time. How do we revolutionize astrology? Is astrology more than a language?[1:09:40] Sabrina on bridging astrology with other disciplines.[1:11:26] Jenny on bridging decolonization work with studying the divine.[1:13:52] Kelly on the role of our throat’s vibration in creating our reality and how our colonized languages create a veil that prevents us from seeing this.[1:17:06] Verena on our collective move to a new timeline; the need for us to expand the astrological language as astrologers.[1:23:04] Sabrina on considering each archetype as sentient beings and cultivating non-extractive relationships with astrology[1:25:50] Kelly on working at an energetic level to bring us to deeper relationships with archetypes[1:27:36] Rudy on the etymology of oration; astrology as prayer, which goes beyond language. Support the creation of this podcast by becoming a paid subscriber. You’ll receive access to 1-2 bonus episodes a month, subscriber-only essays, and exclusive first-look at drafts of new essays.If you’d like to work with me 1:1, I offer single guidance sessions as well as private mentorship containers (3 months+). We co-create a supportive field for you to move through important life thresholds with grace and deepen your capacity for creative expansions using astrology, human design, and energy work.Try the incredible breathwork and meditation app Open for 30 days free using this special link. This podcast is hosted, produced, and edited by Jonathan Koe. Theme music is also composed by me! Connect with me through my newsletter, my Instagram @jonathankoeofficial, and my music. For podcast-related inquiries, email me at healingthespiritpodcast@gmail.com.