Avoiding Babylon

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Sep 5, 2025 • 59min

Michael Knowles on Tucker Carlson

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!Charles Fraune takes us on a riveting journey into the supernatural battlefield where saints actively combat demonic forces during exorcisms. Drawing from extensive research and interviews with practicing exorcists, Fraune reveals that the Catholic tradition of invoking saints during exorcism rituals is far more than ceremonial—it's a tactical spiritual maneuver with profound effects.The conversation illuminates how exorcists begin their work by praying the Litany of Saints, summoning spiritual reinforcements who manifest their presence in ways that terrify demons. While not typically visible to exorcists or possessed persons, these saints are immediately detected by demons, who react with unmistakable fear—screaming, identifying the saints with dismissive terms, and often revealing which heavenly intercessors they fear most.Particularly fascinating is the concept of "nemesis relationships" between specific saints and demons. St. Joseph, bearing the title "Terror of Demons," sometimes appears wielding his staff during exorcisms, causing demonic entities to shriek in terror with each strike against the ground. Meanwhile, saints who conquered particular vices during their earthly lives become especially powerful against demons who tempt others toward those same sins—St. Mary Magdalene, for instance, being invoked against demons of impurity.Fraune unpacks the theological understanding that demons hate humans partly because the elect will occupy the heavenly thrones forfeited by fallen angels. This explains why saints become such formidable weapons—they've already claimed these thrones of glory, making them untouchable to demonic powers. This cosmic reality shaped early Christian practice, as communities would bring saints' relics to areas dominated by pagan worship, causing oracles to fall silent and establishing new spiritual principalities under saintly protection.For those confronting darkness or seeking deeper spiritual connection, Fraune offers practical wisdom about cultivating relationships with these heavenly allies. By rediscovering devotion to saints—not merely as historical figures but as active spiritual warriors—we access a dormant power within Catholic tradition that can transform our spiritual lives and communities.Whether you're fascinated by supernatural phenomena, seeking to understand Catholic spiritual warfare practices, or simply hungry for authentic transcendence in a materialistic world, this conversation offers profound insights into the ongoing battle between light and darkness—and the glorious company of saints fighting alongside us.Purchase the book at:  https://www.amazon.com/Most-Powerful-Saints-Exorcisms-Exorcists/dp/B0DSHG1D22/Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Sep 3, 2025 • 1h 4min

New Insights on Annunciation Shooting: Family Conflicts, Parental Dynamics, and Lawmaker Crackdowns

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!The cultural battle lines have never been more clearly drawn for Catholic families than they are today. In the wake of the Minnesota church shooting, we dive deep into the misunderstood story of Mary Grace Westman, a Catholic mother who faced impossible choices under Minnesota's radical gender laws. What many initially portrayed as parental complicity appears increasingly to be a story of a faith-filled mother cornered by a system designed to override parental authority.Minnesota's legislation, championed by Governor Tim Walz, has created what amounts to a "sanctuary state" for child gender transitions – where one parent can override another's objections simply by crossing state lines. These policies represent just one facet of the moral collapse we're witnessing across society, where adults who should protect children instead cause irreparable harm under the banner of affirmation.The conversation shifts to examine how Catholics should respond to mounting cultural hostility. We explore the false divisions between traditional and Novus Ordo Catholics, noting that when persecution comes, our enemies won't bother distinguishing between liturgical preferences. The time for circular firing squads within Catholicism has passed – we need to build coalitions of faithful Catholics prepared to weather the growing storm.Despite the darkness, glimmers of hope emerge through personal stories. From workplace evangelization to charity toward the marginalized, we discover that living authentically Catholic lives provides opportunities to reach souls searching for meaning. One particularly powerful response has been the "Protect Catholic Kids" shirt initiative, with all proceeds supporting the Annunciation Parish families affected by the shooting.How do we balance righteous anger at evil with Christ's call to love our enemies? How do we protect our families while remaining charitable? These questions demand answers from every faithful Catholic today. Join us as we navigate these treacherous waters and find a path forward rooted in both truth and love.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Sep 2, 2025 • 2h 7min

Faithful Protectors: How Men Can Safeguard Our Families After Annunciation - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 2

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!The intersection of faith and self-protection creates complex questions for many Catholics, especially in light of recent church shootings like the one at Annunciation Parish. Drawing from Church history, papal teachings, and the Catechism, we unpack the surprising truth: the Catholic Church has consistently upheld not just the right but often the duty of self-defense.Contrary to modern assumptions, Catholics throughout history routinely carried weapons at Mass—from swords in medieval times to firearms in frontier churches. Pope Saint John Paul II's powerful words in Evangelium Vitae affirm that "legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life." We explore how this teaching aligns with Scripture, particularly 1 Timothy 5:8, which places responsibility on men to protect their families as a fundamental expression of faith.Beyond theology, we discuss practical considerations for parish security teams: controlling access points, training in de-escalation techniques, emergency medical preparedness, and the careful selection of appropriate equipment. For individuals, we address choosing reliable firearms, proper training, and navigating parish politics when establishing security measures.The Church's wisdom offers a balanced approach that respects both the sacredness of life and the obligation to defend it. As Catholics navigate these waters, we're called to thoughtful preparation rather than fearful reaction—recognizing that protecting those in our care is a profound expression of love in an increasingly unpredictable world.What responsibility do you bear for those in your care, and how might you fulfill this duty with both prudence and courage?Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 28, 2025 • 1h 12min

Minneapolis Catholic Community Devastated by Horrific Violence

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!A dark shadow has fallen over the Catholic community following the devastating shooting at a Minneapolis Catholic school. As media outlets rush to frame this tragedy through familiar political lenses, we're pulling back the veil to examine the disturbing spiritual dimensions that most commentators refuse to address.The shooter's transgender identity wasn't incidental to this violence but central to understanding it. We explore the historical connection between gender confusion and violence, drawing from Flavius Josephus's ancient accounts that described individuals who "wore women's faces" yet had "murderous hands." This pattern of disordered thinking leading to disordered actions reveals a spiritual battle raging beneath the cultural surface.Most troubling is the response of Catholic leadership. Rather than confronting the ideological darkness at work, many bishops immediately pivoted to political talking points about gun control. We contrast this weak response with St. Patrick's courageous confrontation of evil in his letter to Caroticus, where he boldly named pagan soldiers "fellow citizens of the devil" through their "evil deeds."The transgender movement represents a modern manifestation of ancient Luciferian ideology – the ultimate "I will become" statement that echoes Satan's original rebellion. This isn't merely about identity politics; it's about a fundamental rejection of created order that has devastating consequences. Meanwhile, organizations like the Association of United States Catholic Priests actively promote these harmful ideologies within the Church itself.For families seeking protection in these troubled times, we offer practical spiritual guidance, including daily prayer, blessing homes with holy water, and maintaining vigilance against the cultural forces that seek to corrupt our children's minds and souls. The path forward requires not the accommodation of evil but its direct confrontation through truth spoken with love and courage.Join us in this vital conversation about reclaiming an authentic Catholic response to the darkness of our culture. Subscribe and share this episode to help others understand what's truly at stake in our spiritual battle for truth.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 27, 2025 • 2h 36min

Viewer Call In Livestream - Ask Us Anything!

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!What happens when Catholic men open the lines and let their audience ask the hard questions? In this unique call-in format, Anthony and Rob field questions spanning everything from fatherhood regrets to navigating Catholic marriages in today's world.Fathers seeking wisdom ask what the hosts would have done differently with their children, leading to powerful reflections on homeschooling, family prayer, and raising children with a strong Catholic identity. Both hosts candidly share their biggest regret and offer practical advice for those still early in their parenting journey.Young single men seek guidance on finding faithful Catholic women in a dating landscape that seems increasingly hostile to traditional values. The hosts remind them of their worth: "You underestimate how valuable what you have to offer actually is. There aren't many men who want to get married, have children, and provide for a woman."Military veterans share stories of maintaining faith and marriage during deployments, while others ask about navigating relationships with difficult family members. Throughout the episode, the discussion returns to a central theme: the importance of men embracing their role as spiritual leaders in their homes and communities.The episode also ventures into theological territory with questions about favorite saints, Marian devotion, and the various positions within traditional Catholicism. The hosts maintain a refreshing charity toward different perspectives while still offering their own thoughtful takes.What emerges is a portrait of Catholic men striving to live their faith authentically in challenging times—supporting one another, learning from their mistakes, and working to lead their families toward heaven despite cultural headwinds. The conversation demonstrates that while the path of faithful Catholic manhood isn't easy, it's immeasurably rewarding and absolutely necessary in today's world.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 26, 2025 • 1h 30min

Getting Started: Self Reliance & Resiliency - Guns N' Rosaries Ep. 1

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!In this inaugural episode of a new weekly series, Rob returns from paternity leave to join Adrian, a Marine veteran and experienced homesteader, to create something long overdue in the firearms and preparedness community: family-friendly content that doesn't compromise on substance or Catholic morals.The hosts dive into the foundations of self-reliance, beginning with the critical importance of establishing daily discipline as the cornerstone of all preparedness efforts. Adrian shares insights from his military background and current homesteading lifestyle, emphasizing how early morning routines create space for prayer, physical fitness, and productivity before the demands of family life take over.Food and water preparation take center stage as the pair discuss practical approaches to building security without breaking the bank. From incrementally building a three-month food supply to understanding water storage requirements beyond the bare minimum FEMA recommendations, listeners gain actionable advice they can implement immediately. Adrian's experience raising livestock and growing food provides real-world context to these discussions, offering inspiration for those looking to move beyond mere storage toward sustainable production.What sets this conversation apart is its balanced approach to security. While firearms receive thoughtful consideration, the hosts emphasize that physical self-defense skills must precede weapons training, challenging common misconceptions in the preparedness community. Their PACE (Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency) communications planning framework provides families with a structured approach to staying connected during disruptions of any scale.Whether you're just beginning to think about preparedness or looking to refine your existing plans, this episode offers a refreshingly grounded, faith-compatible perspective on building family resilience in uncertain times. Subscribe now and join a growing community of listeners committed to responsible self-reliance without the fear-mongering or compromised values so common in firearms and prepper content.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 22, 2025 • 1h 60min

Protestantism & the Overthrow of Christ's Earthly Kingdom with Joshua Charles

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!What happens when nations reject Christ as their King? Throughout history, earthly rulers acknowledged a higher spiritual authority, but modern states have reversed this order—with devastating consequences for civilization and faith.Joshua Charles joins Anthony for a profound exploration of Christendom's rise and fall. They unpack Larry Arnn's controversial claim that "a Christian nation is not possible because Jesus' kingdom is not of this world," revealing how this fundamentally misunderstands Catholic teaching about Christ's authority over all creation.The conversation journeys through historical Christianity, where temporal rulers recognized their subordination to spiritual authority for over a millennium. This wasn't mere symbolism—it represented the proper ordering of society, with baptism creating an objective covenant that bound believers and nations alike.We're witnessing the culmination of centuries of spiritual rebellion, from the Reformation's fracturing of unified Christian worship to modern states declaring themselves the highest authority. As Saint Bruno of Cologne predicted, we now live in times where "faith is in secret and iniquity in public"—a telling sign of spiritual deterioration.Most chillingly, recent developments surrounding the Third Temple and red heifer sacrifices echo what Church Fathers warned would precede Antichrist. The discussion examines historical parallels, particularly Julian the Apostate's failed attempt to rebuild the Jewish Temple in 363 AD, and what these events might tell us about our own time.Rather than succumbing to despair, Joshua and Anthony emphasize hope in God's providence. They remind us that while the Church might appear to be losing on earth, her saints are being crowned in heaven, from which they reign with Christ. The conversation concludes with practical spiritual guidance for navigating these challenging times through prayer, fasting, and renewed devotion to the sacraments.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 19, 2025 • 1h 10min

Voice of Reason Breaks His Silence

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!When a Catholic influencer like Voice of Reason falls from grace, what's the appropriate response from the faithful community? Anthony and Christian Wagner dive deep into the recent apology video from Alex Jurado (Voice of Reason) following his scandal, examining both the genuine moments of contrition and the troubling implications about his future plans.The hosts untangle the complex web of accountability, forgiveness, and prudence that these situations demand. They highlight a concerning pattern in many reactions – the tendency to equate forgiveness with immediate restoration to public ministry. This conversation isn't about condemning Alex but about honestly assessing whether someone who used their Catholic platform to manipulate women should return to a position of influence after just a month of reflection.Christian brings up the powerful parallel of Michael Voris, who rejected advice to step away from the camera after his own scandal, only to eventually relapse and lose everything. This cautionary tale demonstrates why true charity sometimes requires maintaining firm boundaries rather than enabling potentially harmful patterns. As Christian pointedly notes, "Supporting your friend means dragging them to heaven, not cheering them on as they sprint towards hell."The most enlightening moments come when the hosts discuss alternative paths forward – ways Alex could contribute to the Church without returning to the spotlight. Perhaps working behind the scenes, using his talents for writing or production, or even eventually helping others with similar struggles could provide meaningful service without the dangers of public ministry.What makes this episode particularly valuable is the balance the hosts strike between mercy and justice, between compassion for a fallen brother and protection of the vulnerable. If you've ever struggled with how Catholics should respond to scandals within our own ranks, this thoughtful discussion offers a framework that honors both our call to forgiveness and our responsibility to uphold truth.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 15, 2025 • 1h 25min

Saving America By Being a Christian Patriot w/ Dr. Taylor Marshall

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!Dr. Taylor Marshall joins Avoiding Babylon and first explores Pope Leo XIV's first months leading the Catholic Church and what this new papacy means for traditional Catholics worldwide. After more than a decade of restrictions under Pope Francis, Marshall advocates patience and prayer as Leo navigates Vatican politics while showing promising signs of respect for tradition.The conversation delves into Marshall's thoughtful distinction between modern Christian nationalism and authentic Catholic patriotism. His forthcoming book "Christian Patriot: 12 Ways to Create One Nation Under God" offers a roadmap for cultural renewal grounded in natural law, Church teaching, and the social kingship of Christ. Unlike many Protestant approaches to Christian politics, Marshall draws from the rich tradition of Catholic social thought dating back to St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas.Demographics emerge as a powerful undercurrent in the discussion, with traditional Catholic communities growing through significantly higher birth rates while progressive parishes struggle to maintain attendance. Marshall projects that this "demographics is destiny" reality will inevitably reshape the Church regardless of current policies or restrictions. The hosts explore how America's unique Catholic landscape differs from the more secularized European context, creating both challenges and opportunities.The episode takes a fascinating turn as Marshall shares Catholic perspectives on apocalyptic prophecy that contrast sharply with popular dispensationalist interpretations, particularly regarding Israel and end-times events. Throughout, Marshall maintains that regardless of whether we face minor tribulations or major apocalyptic events, Catholics are called to consistent faithfulness—loving enemies while building cultures that reflect Christ's teachings.Pre-order Marshall's book at ChristianPatriotBook.com and discover a compelling vision for cultural renewal rooted in the Catholic intellectual tradition.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon
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Aug 13, 2025 • 1h 7min

Lila Rose Angers EVERYONE

Want to reach out to us? Want to leave a comment or review? Want to give us a suggestion or berate Anthony? Send us a text by clicking this link!When Catholic content creators cross the line, who's left to speak the uncomfortable truth? This raw, unfiltered conversation dives deep into the troubling trend of Catholic women discussing intimate details of their marriages publicly while simultaneously lecturing men about modesty and self-control.The viral clip featuring Lila Rose sparked intense debate about appropriate boundaries in Catholic discourse. But beneath the surface lies a more fundamental question: Why are married women positioning themselves as authorities on men's struggles? This episode examines the phenomenon of Catholic "e-girls" who use their appearance to build platforms while seemingly contradicting their own messages about objectification. It's narcissism veiled as virtue, and it's pushing many young Catholic men toward more extreme ideologies.Beyond the online world, we tackle the crisis of modern parenting, where parents push their daughters toward debt-laden college paths for social status rather than preparing them for fulfilling lives as wives and mothers. We offer practical alternatives that preserve femininity while developing useful skills—like esthetician training or at-home businesses that complement rather than compete with family life.At its core, this conversation reveals a crisis of fatherhood extending from homes to parishes. Men have largely ceded the public arena to women, and reclaiming it requires courage to speak uncomfortable truths. The weight of spiritual leadership placed on men should be terrifying—they are the Christ figure to their families and will answer to God for how they ruled their households.Have you noticed this troubling trend in Catholic spaces? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on restoring appropriate boundaries in how we discuss faith, family, and relationships.Support the show"Protect Catholic Kids" Shirt Fundraiser for Victims of Annunciation Shooting: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/protect-catholic-kids ********************************************************Please subscribe! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKsxnv80ByFV4OGvt_kImjQ?sub_confirmation=1https://www.avoidingbabylon.comMerchandise: https://avoiding-babylon-shop.fourthwall.comLocals Community: https://avoidingbabylon.locals.comFull Premium/Locals Shows on Audio Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1987412/subscribeRSS Feed for Podcast Apps: https://feeds.buzzsprout.com/1987412.rssRumble: https://rumble.com/c/AvoidingBabylon

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