The Social-Engineer Podcast

This month we are joined by Dr. Camille Preston, who is the CEO and founder of AIM Leadership. Since founding AIM Leadership in 2004, she has worked with leaders across sectors and the capital stack. As a business psychologist, Camille brings research and insights from psychology, neuroscience, and business to her work. Whether supporting Fortune 500 leaders, startup founders, or C-suite executives in healthcare, Camille's sweet spot is helping uncover hidden barriers to increase the capacity to optimize, innovate, and manage change.    In addition to working as a coach and business psychologist, Camille is author of two books, a regular contributor to several established publications in the business and psychology fields, and the author of a growing library of actionable resource tools.   A life-long challenge seeker, Camille has lived on four continents, worked on six, and traveled extensively. [March 14, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  01:25 – Dr. Camille Preston Intro  02:43 – How did you get into this?  05:02 – The Journey to Awareness & Mindfulness  06:39 – Building Mindfulness  08:32 – Horizontal VS Vertical Development  10:00 – Gateways of Vertical Development  11:41 – Owning Mistakes  14:02 – Planning For Problem Solving   15:12 – Building Trust  16:21 – Authentic Connections in a Virtual World  19:24 – Mental Health Pandemic  21:25 – The Importance of Great Leadership  22:41 – Integrating Head and Heart  23:53 – What makes someone “all heart”?  26:51 – The Importance of Leaving Your Country  29:45 – Who are your greatest mentors?  33:36 – Book Recommendations:  Sogyal Rinpoche – The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying - https://amzn.to/3sV7nxq  Steven Kotler – https://amzn.to/3IZRStD  Dave Asprey – Game Changers - https://amzn.to/3IZ1zZg  Naomi McDougall Jones – The Wrong Kind of Women - https://amzn.to/3KrLVWP  (Camille’s Book) Camille Preston – Create More Flow - https://amzn.to/3sVRDKB  (Camille’s Book) Camille Preston – Rewired - https://amzn.to/3pQvCuM  35:21 – Guest Wrap Up  Twitter: http://twitter.com/CamilleP   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/camillepreston/   AIM Leadership: https://aimleadership.com/  35:37 – Outro 

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Kathleen (Kate) Mullin. Kate is an influential information security practitioner with over 30 years of experience. Kate currently is CISO with Cancer Treatment Centers of America.  Kate has been CISO at various organizations including start-ups, publicly traded, private equity, not-for-profit, and governmental entities. Throughout her career, Kate has volunteered and participated in maturing information security as a profession. She volunteers with ISC(2) and ISACA and has been a member of the ISACA CGEIT Certification and Credentials Committee and a chapter president. Kate serves as a featured international speaker and panelist. She has a BSBA from St Joseph’s College and an MBA from Florida Metropolitan University. Kate is also certified as a Master Level Social Engineer. [February 21, 2022]  00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing  Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org  Human Behavior Conference 03:09 – Kathleen Mullin intro  04:25 – How did you get started in Information Security?  06:39 – What are some indicators that tells you something is ineffective?  10:21 – Do you think the “cookie cutter” type of training is a reflection on the security awareness team itself?  12:16 – How can you offer the more personalized training to a company that is spread out all over the U.S. or the globe?  16:31 – Is having someone in this position who is focused on the people and the results the way to go about having the program be successful?  18:09 – What are your major security concerns being in the healthcare industry, and how are you dealing with those?  21:08 – We are seeing SMishing attacks becoming more prevalent in general. Are you seeing that happening in your industry?  22:47 – Caring about employees’ security outside of work as well  23:35 – What are some action steps that any company can start doing right now?  Have metrics and measure training effectiveness  Humanize your training  Incremental steps  Care about your users for real  26:11 – Demoralizing phishing techniques  28:15 – Book Recommendations:  Martha Wells - Murderbot Diaries series  Robin Dreeke – Code of Trust  Textbook - Enterprise Security Architecture   30:13 – Who would you consider your greatest mentor?  Father, Naval pilot/engineer  Chris Hadnagy  Michele Fincher  David Lynus from the SABSA Institute 34:27 – Finding Kate on the web:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/katemullin/  35:17 – Guest Wrap Up  36:00 – Outro  www.social-engineer.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org 

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by John Strand from Black Hills Information Security. John has both consulted and taught hundreds of organizations in the areas of security, regulatory compliance, and penetration testing.  He is a coveted speaker and much-loved SANS teacher. John is a contributor to the industry-shaping Penetration Testing Execution Standard and 20 Critical Controls frameworks.  He enjoys mountain biking, getting hurt mountain biking, sucking at surfing, and heavy music. January 17th 2022  00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/    02:40 – John Strand Info  03:31 - ILF  04:51 - Ryan intro  06:30 – Chat about Chris getting his company started  08:21 - How did you get started with your own company?  12:17 - Cows  14:56 – The idea of travel and never seeing your family  15:57 - What was the point where you started to feel “this company is going to work”  18:35 – Creating company loyalty  22:06 - “Pay What You Can” training  30:22 – More on how the pandemic changed workflow  34:03 – More on pay-what-you-can training – management of 5,000 people  41:41 – How can someone take action right now?  44:59 – Favorite Books  Dune  All the Birds In The Sky – Charlie Jane Anders - https://amzn.to/3I9lu75  We - Yevgeny Zamyatin - https://amzn.to/3Ihoy1b  The Master and Margarita – Mikhail Bulgakov - https://amzn.to/3Kl6t3R  The Mistborn Series – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/33qcnQH  The Way of The Kings – Brandon Sanderson - https://amzn.to/3tuF1uJ  47:55 – Who is your biggest mentor  Ed Skoudis  51:34 – Guest Wrap-Up  52:30 - Outro     

This is a special edition of Social-Engineer's Human Element Series Podcast.  Chris Hadnagy will discuss Covid-19 testing site scams, and how you can protect yourself against them. [January 14, 2022]   00:00 – Intro social-engineer.com/ social-engineer.org/ innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 00:21 – Covid-19 Testing Site Physical Scams 05:46 – Other types of scams during Covid-19 06:44 – Outro http://www.social-engineer.com/ https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb http://www.pro-rock.com/ http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by the fascinating Amy Herman. Amy is a lawyer and an art historian who uses works of art to sharpen observation, analysis, and communication skills. She developed her Art of Perception seminar in 2000 and since then has worked with the New York City Police Department, the FBI, Department of Defense, Fortune 500 companies and more. She is also a TED speaker and an author of 2 books. Her latest book, “Fixed: How to Perfect the Fine Art of Problem-Solving was just released in December of 2021. She is also going to be bringing her fascinating training seminar to the Human Behavior Conference this March! [January 10, 2022]    00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/  02:39 -  Amy Herman Intro  04:17 – Tell us how you got to where you are today  07:12 – How did you get to the conclusion where two different people from the same class have different needs?  10:00 – Is there an equation or secret about how an every day person can use that skill?  13:33 – Amy's new book, “Fixed” 15:00 – How did you come up with the concept of this book?  18:00 – What is the hope you want for people who read this?  19:52 – How has the past 18 months changed the concepts of visual intelligence?  25:55 – Are you going to keep virtual training?  29:50 – Being more empathetic and finding common ground  32:31 – Can you explain “pertinent negative” from your book?  35:34 – Tell the story about your book cover  40:36 – Besides yours what are some of your favorite books?  (Amy’s book) Fixed.: How To Perfect The Fine Art of Problem Solving  (Amy’s book) Visual Intelligence: Sharpen Your Perception, Change Your Life  The Boys In The Boat – Nine Americans and Their Quest for the Gold - by Daniel James Brown  43:27 – Who is your greatest mentor?  Angela Merkel  45:15 – Guest Wrap Up  Website:  www.artfulperception.com  Twitter:  www.twitter.com/AmyhermanAOP  Instagram: @AmyHermanAOP 

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Adam Levin.  Adam is a nationally recognized expert on cybersecurity, privacy, identity theft, fraud, and personal finance and has distinguished himself as a fierce consumer advocate for the past 50 years. Adam is the former Director of the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs, and currently is the founder of CyberScout and co-founder of Credit.com. He is also author of the critically acclaimed book Swiped: How to Protect Yourself in a World Full of Scammers, Phishers, and Identity Thieves. Adam is also the host of the podcast What the Hack with Adam Levin, where they talk to fascinating people about the most terrifying things that ever happened to them in cyberspace. December 20, 2021 00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/  03:26 - Adam Levin Intro  04:37 – How did you get started in the industry?  07:42 – What has the shift been like in the types of attacks from the 90s until now?  09:53 – How does the recent Robinhood breach tie into what we’re discussing?  12:00 – What should people be focusing on when they hear stories like this?  14:28 – Do these simplistic solutions really work?  18:45 – What type of advice would you give to companies that have public facing employees?  20:22 – You said something interesting earlier, “the company has to deal with it empathetically”.  What does that mean to you?  24:51 – Empathy, continued  30:22 – What do you see coming in the near future, what types of scams will become popular?  33:53 – What are some things people can look out for to avoid scams?  38:20 – Do you find that catastrophe and the emotional factor is used to get people to fall for scams?  41:39 – Finding Adam on the web:  www.adamlevin.com  https://adamlevin.com/what-the-hack/  42:57 – What are some action steps corporations can take to protect themselves?  45:13 – Who is your greatest mentor?  Virginia Long, director of Consumer Affairs  Ian Cohen – CEO of Lokker, a privacy company  Bill Tait – Vice Chairman at Humana  Jennifer Leuer – came from Experian  47:40 – Book Recommendations  Condor – TV Show  Spy novels (none specifically suggested) authors: Tom Clancy, Brad Thor, Vince Flynn  Yellowstone – TV Show series  FBI series and all spinoffs  49:16 – Outro  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  www.social-engineer.com  www.pro-rock.com 

This month Chris Hadnagy is joined by our good friend, Anne-Maartje Oud. For 20 years Anne-Maartje has been a behavioral advisor, consultant, chairwoman, and keynote speaker. On top of that she is the CEO and founder of The Behavior Company based in Amsterdam where she helps customize personal development programs for companies and organizations worldwide.   Anne-Maartje is also a trainer who gives lectures and training at several universities in the Netherlands. She is also going to be a trainer at the Human Behavior Conference in March 2022.   [December 13, 2021]  00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/  Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/  Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/  Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb  CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/  innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/  Human Behavior Conference – https://humanbehaviorcon.com/  03:12 – Anne-Maartje intro  04:22 – What got you started in conflict resolution?  06:23 – Can you teach people to control behavior that’s based on emotion?  08:53 – Before words come out, what would you tell someone to do to not react and show that emotion?  12:30 – How do you start a conversation that leads to some benefit?  15:35 – What if that doesn’t work?  17:41 – How do you instruct people to remember it all?  19:51 – How important is understanding for managers and leaders?  20:52 - How would you instruct managers to go about learning this?  22:27 – Do you find that companies that have upper level management that focus on behavioral analysis have less conflict down the ladder?  27:01 – HuBe Con – what will you do there?  29:24 – Joe Navarro co session – what is that session all about?  36:51 – Finding Anne Maartje on the web:  www.twitter.com/BehaviourC  www.twitter.com/annemaartjeoud  https://www.linkedin.com/in/annemaartjeoud/  www.behaviourcompany.eu  37:39 – Book Recommendations:  Shakespeare’s Plays – favorite is Hamlet  39:24 – Who would you consider your biggest mentors?  Joe Navarro  41:09 – Outro  www.humanbehaviorcon.com  www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  www.pro-rock.com 

This month, Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Paul Asadoorian.  Paul is the founder of Security Weekly, a security podcast network. Paul spends time “in the trenches” coding in Python, testing security products and evaluating and implementing open-source software. Paul's career began by implementing security programs for a lottery company and then a large university. As Product Evangelist for Tenable Network Security, Paul also built a library of materials on the topic of vulnerability management. When not hacking IoT devices, web applications or Linux, Paul can be found researching his next set of headphones, devices for smoking meat, and e-bikes. November 15, 2021.  00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing  Adversarial Simulations   Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org  Human Behavior Conference  03:34 – Paul Asadoorian Intro  05:08 – How did you get started in infosec?  13:19 – When did you decide you were going to start a podcast?  24:26 – What have you learned from the guests you’ve had on your podcasts over all of these years?  27:00 – What is your perspective on the shifting of hacking culture in the community?  34:53 – What are the best qualities someone could have to be attractive to a potential employer in this industry?  37:14 – How do we get the younger generation to have the qualities we are not seeing?  41:38 – Who is your greatest mentor?  Laurie Baker  Stephen Northcutt @ SANS  Ed Skoudis @ SANS  46:00 – Book Recommendations  Code Girls The Phoenix Project The Unicorn Project Countdown to Zero Day The Cuckoo’s Egg Cyberpunk 51:00 – Guest Wrap Up  https://securityweekly.com    www.twitter.com/securityweekly  53:31 – Outro  innocentlivesfoundation.org

This month, Chris Hadnagy is joined by Marilise de Villiers.  Marilise is a mindset and performance coach, a TEDX speaker, and a cybersecurity awareness, culture, and talent expert. While at one time she was a female executive in a Big Four consulting firm she is now the founder and CEO of her own company, ROAR! Coaching and Consulting, which helps people find their purpose, their power, and gives people the courage to speak their truth.  November 8, 2021    00:00 – Intro  Social-Engineer.com Managed Voice Phishing Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations Social-Engineer channel on SLACK CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org Human Behavior Conference   04:35 – What made you leave an amazing corporate company and forge a path for yourself?  08:09 – How did you escape the bad things in your life and turn into a person who helps other people find their strength?  10:47 – How did you get out of the cycle of abuse?  14:42 – Figuring out the role you play and taking back the power  17:06 – Finding a hobby  21:00 – How did you come upon this trifecta of things to better yourself?  25:10 –What have you found is the overwhelmingly common problem that people have when you first start working with them on bettering themselves?  27:56 – Changing your “self” view  30:32 – What would be a suggestion to give someone to “start today”?  34:35 – How do you suggest people find balance when most of us have spent most of our lives being imbalanced?  37:20 – How has this life change for you affected your kids?  38:55 – Who do you consider your greatest mentors?  Family: Mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather  Brendon Burchard  Tony Robbins  Dean Graziosi  Maya Camerota  41:05 – What books would you recommend to our listeners?  Marilise’s Book – Roar!: How To Tame The Bully Inside and Out Radical Compassion – Tara Brach Think And Grow Rich – Napoleon Hill How To Break The Habit Of Being Yourself – Joe Dispenza Unbound – Kasia Urbaniak --  43:15 – How to find Marilise   https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marilise-de-villiers-9184521a  https://www.marilise-de-villiers.com/podcasts/roar-marilise-de-villiers  44:40 – Outro   Social-Engineer.org Social-Engineer.com The Innocent Lives Foundation

This month Chris Hadnagy and Ryan MacDougall are joined by Les Correia, who leads the evangelization of Estee Lauders Application Security. In his position Les wears many hats, but they are all worn with the mission of protecting Estee Lauders critical assets from the risk of a security breach. Prior to this, Les held Senior and Advisory roles providing thought leadership at companies such as AT&T and Lucent. Les also holds an MSc in Cyber Security as well as an exhaustive list of certifications. In his free time, Les pilots small aircraft and drives racecars. October 18, 2021 00:00 – Intro  www.social-engineer.com     Managed Voice Phishing       Managed Email Phishing       Adversarial Simulations       Social-Engineer channel on SLACK       CLUTCH       www.innocentlivesfoundation.org    Human Behavior Conference – website coming soon  05:10 – Les Correia Intro  09:15 – How did you get into this industry?  12:05 – How are you trying to be proactive in stopping breaches?  14:00 – How important has top level support been?  15:03 – How do you get other business units to give you time for what you’re doing?  16:30 – Understanding the business like a business consultant helps them know you care about that business unit  20:19 Whisky  24:08 – What kind of attacks have you seen in the wild that people need to be aware of?  26:10 – How do we get people that may not think they can be a victim to understand these threats can still be against them?  27:55 – Being a worldwide company, how do you translate your security processes through all those different cultures?  32:01 – How important is it to have hobbies outside of your work?  34:41 – How do you help your team deal with burnout when you have so much work on your plate?  37:56 – Has there anyone you could consider your greatest mentor?  Dr. Tafar   INS (International Network Services)  Dr. Patarsh   Dr. Menamen – NYU   39:32 – Book Recommendations  Thinking Fast and Slow Seven Habits of Highly Effective People Good To Great  Chris’ Books  41:57 – Guest Wrap Up  42:20 – Reaching Les on social media: QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S linkedin.com/in/les-correia   43:12 – Outro   www.social-engineer.org  www.social-engineer.com    www.innocentlivesfoundation.org  QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S   QvittlbBgZseL100xP0S