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Andrew Hellmich: Photographer, Interviewer, Podcaster and Owner of Impact Images
PhotoBizX is the number one photography business podcast for portrait and wedding photographers who want to attract more clients, charge what they’re worth, and build a thriving business. Hosted by Australian Master Photographer Andrew Hellmich, this weekly interview show features the world’s most successful and inspiring photographers and industry experts — the real stars of every episode. Andrew’s relaxed, curious interview style draws out incredible depth and honesty; listeners often say he asks exactly what they’re thinking and are shocked by how much his guests reveal. Each episode delivers real strategies, stories, and systems you can implement immediately — leaving you motivated and ready to grow your photography business.
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Sep 1, 2025 • 44min
632: Jenna Harrison – Building a 3-Day Workweek Photography Business
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Jenna Harrison of www.theuncommonway.com appears to be living her dream — and has been, ever since she threw in her great career to pursue her dreams of travel and freedom.
I first became aware of her when we connected via email, and she told me that she had built her business by implementing strategic constraints and sticking to a 3-day workweek.
Since then, she’s grown the business to a point that allowed her to retire her husband early, move their family to their dream location, buy their dream home, and live what she calls a “blue zone” lifestyle overseas.
As someone who’s all about living the life I want — and with that being the number one reason I started a photography business so that I could stop trading hours for money — I was keen to schedule this interview.
I did have some reservations, though.
Although she doesn’t label herself as a mindset coach, there’s definitely a hint of those “woo-woo” concepts that I’m a little wary of.
But then I read and watched some of the success stories from the business owners she’s helped… and it’s clear there’s a ton we can learn and apply to our own businesses.
In this interview, Jenna shares how you can build a 3-day workweek photography business by focusing on mindset, smart systems, and designing your business to serve the life you actually want.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
From wedding bookings to world travel – how Jenna built freedom into her photography business
Why mindset, not marketing, became the secret weapon behind her rapid growth
The sales shift that turned awkward chats into confident, high-converting conversations
Breaking free from the business fishbowl and spotting opportunities others miss
How working with a Princeton-trained coach unlocked Jenna’s next level of success
The three pillars of a thriving photography business – unique offer, strong systems, CEO mindset
Pricing with confidence and why money mindset determines your income more than your skill
The discomfort hack – leaning into fear as the fuel for faster growth
From 30 days of going live to unstoppable visibility and resilience through practice
Why scheduling downtime is the real key to creativity and fresh photography ideas
CEO time vs editing time – how to structure your week for balance and growth
Building a sustainable business that thrives on your unique strengths and actually feels effortless
Overcoming scarcity thinking and shifting from “not enough” to “I’m worth it”
The small mindset tweaks that open the door to premium clients and bigger bookings
Smart systems that save hours and stop business overwhelm before it even starts
Living like the world’s healthiest communities – how Jenna’s Blue Zone lifestyle boosts her business success
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet. Plus, special member-only interviews.
So whether someone's looking more for the strategy or looking more for the mindset, the truth is that it's always wrapped up together. If you don't believe in yourself, if you don't have the confidence to sell, if you don't have the mindset, then all the strategy in the world won't. – Jenna Harrison
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online. Seriously, that's not all.
When airlines are selling a business class ticket, they're not like, “And if you buy business class, we're going to give you this, and we'll give you this and we'll give you this.” No, you get the business class. That's what you get, right? And plenty of people are happy to pay for that and wouldn't even want to go coach to save money. They want the business class experience. – Jenna Harrison
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Jenna shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
I often say we think we're swimming in an ocean of possibilities, but the truth is, we're in a fishbowl inside the ocean, and that fishbowl is our mind, and it just filters opportunities. It filters possible decisions for us different ways of thinking. We don't realize it's happening, but unfortunately, we're limiting our moves, basically, if you think of it like chess, based on what we believe to be true, and often it's an unwritten script. We never get to see it, but it's still there in our brain. So once I opened up to unlocking some of those mindset pieces, all of a sudden, there were new opportunities I'd never considered. – Jenna Harrison
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Jenna, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons. Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome! Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
Your life changes every time you take even one baby step in the direction of allowing tolerating discomfort, you open up possibilities for yourself that the old you wouldn't even have considered. – Jenna Harrison
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name. Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
I now believe that I get as much from my clients as they get from me, and it's a really amazing, exciting partnership, and neither of us know where it's going to go. That's the great thing about coming together to create something new. – Jenna Harrison
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
The Uncommon Way Website
The Uncommon Way on Instagram
The Uncommon Way on Facebook
Jenna Harrison on LinkedIn
The 3-Day Workweek Podcast
Hi, thank you so much for having me on the show! I realised afterwards that I wish I had pointed out that “mindset” is really no different than what pro athletes and the military have been focusing on for decades! (I have a certificate in leader development from the U.S. Army War College, their graduate-level institution.) In hindsight, I would’ve said, “And after hiring that mindset coach and unlocking those great benefits, I realised this is very similar to what goes on with pro athletes and the military.” (It’s just that sometimes you can’t see the forest through the trees when you’re in it yourself). – Jenna Harrison
Thank you!
Big thanks to Jenna for sharing her story in this episode. From building her business around a 3-day workweek to retiring her husband early, moving overseas, and embracing a Blue Zone lifestyle, she demonstrates what’s possible when mindset and freedom take precedence. If you’ve ever wondered how to design a photography business that genuinely supports the life you want, this conversation will spark plenty of ideas.
I believe that when you are really allowing that unique part of you to come forth, then business starts to fall into place. Right then you're really much more likely to connect with your ideal people. You're much more likely to stand out in the market and be able to charge premium prices. You're much more likely to be excited about what you're selling and to feel an integrity and feel conviction with it, and to look forward to it. – Jenna Harrison
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Aug 25, 2025 • 0sec
631: Kelly Warkentin – Turning $150 Photography Sessions into 4-Figure Clients and a Life You Love
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Kelly Warkentin of https://kindredphotography.ca/ and www.kellywarkentin.com is a Canadian-based family and newborn photographer, photography business coach, and mother of three.
Although she's coaching other photographers, shooting makes up 90% of her income and brings in over $85,000 in revenue.
She said in an email to me, as much as I love photography, running a business while raising young kids left her constantly torn — working late nights, saying yes to too much, and still not earning what she needed.
Then she restructured her business to serve her life.
Fewer clients.
Higher sales.
Better systems.
And the freedom to be present with her kids without sacrificing ambition.
Today, she's also coaching photographers on the system she uses with clients to hit regular 4-figure sessions to work less and focus on family.
In this interview, I was hoping to learn how photographers can earn more while working less, even with young kids at home, and Kelly didn't disappoint when she shared how to turn $150 photography sessions into 4-figure clients and a life you love.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
How Kelly went from $150 shoots to $2K clients — and what really made the difference
The surprising way she finally found freedom in both motherhood and business
The bold move that shifted everything — and why SEO coaching changed the game
What happens on that very first call that gets dream clients saying yes
The pre-session secret that builds trust and makes sales feel effortless
Why albums turn out to be the easiest “yes” you’ll ever get from a client
How to sell without saying a word — the quiet power of artwork on your walls
The unexpected marketing mix that actually works when others don’t
Why a simple coffee chat can turn into a premium booking
How to attract high-achieving clients who happily pay more
The flexible, empathetic way to handle tricky client moments
The hidden growth drivers most photographers overlook — outsourcing, automation, and support
The one investment that always delivers the biggest return
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet. Plus, special member-only interviews.
I continued to explore ways that I could increase my income, and I kind of stumbled upon just making myself more valuable by adding a luxury experience. So at that point, I transitioned to IPs, and my income per client jumped pretty much overnight, from 750 to $2,000. – Kelly Warkentin
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online. Seriously, that's not all.
The system that I use is a la carte, because I don't like to put a ceiling on anything. – Kelly Warkentin
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Kelly shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
Most of my clients are actually very impressed that I found time to get on the phone with them… I think it sets me apart, right? – Kelly Warkentin
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Kelly, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons. Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome! Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
People trust people who show an interest in their lives, right? The number one way to get somebody to be like, “Oh, I really trust this person and believe she's going to be the best for me” is to show that you really care about what they're talking about and what they care about. – Kelly Warkentin
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name. Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
There is nothing I want less than to someone get to, you know, their image selection and be like, I love all these images and I can't afford them, and now I'm upset because I didn't understand that this was going to cost me that much. I don't ever want to feel like people haven't bought in by the time we get to choosing their images. – Kelly Warkentin
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Kelly Warkentin Website
Kelly Warkentin Photography
Kelly Warkentin on Instagram
Kelly Warkentin on Facebook
The IPS Reboot: For Photographers Who Are So Over the Hustle Facebook Group
QT Albums
I would say you have to have an open mind and be willing to learn and admit when something you thought was not for you might be the right step. A growth mindset is really the big thing and a willingness to learn. – Kelly Warkentin
Thank you!
Big thanks to Kelly for sharing so openly in this episode. What I love about her story is how honest she is about the reality of running a photography business while raising young kids — the late nights, saying yes to too much, and still not earning enough. Then making the decision to flip things around and restructure her business to actually serve her life. Fewer clients, higher sales, better systems, and the freedom to be there and available with her family without losing ambition.
There’s plenty here to spark ideas if you’ve ever wondered how to earn more, work less, and finally create a photography business that fits the life you want. I’d love to hear what stands out most for you.
My goal is to be as honest and upfront as possible, because I don't ever want somebody to feel like they're hoodwinked into spending more than they need to, while also being accessible, right? – Kelly Warkentin
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Aug 18, 2025 • 42min
630: Jon Mills – How a Pet Photography Business Hit £200K in Two Years
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
John Mills of https://souldog.studio hit £200K in two years with his pet photography business in the UK. He puts it down to Facebook Ads and the follow-up discovery calls!
We were exchanging emails recently, and he told me that he'd pivoted to dog photography around two years ago, having moved to a new part of the UK.
He rented a studio so he could finally start doing IPS. He said he'd always planned to move into pets, but knew having a studio with art on the walls would be essential.
He said, I’ve waited to send this email until it was official. Turnover last year was just under £200k, with 95% coming from Facebook and WANTED ads.
He has a lovely, easy-to-navigate website with a strong emphasis on booking a Discovery Call.
And I love his NO OBLIGATION OR PRESSURE SALES POLICY – straightforward and easy to see on his investment page.
In this interview, Jon shares a ton!
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
From headshots to hounds — how Jon built a thriving pet photography brand from scratch
Why client feedback is pure gold (and how Jon uses it to create unforgettable experiences)
Charging what you’re worth — the pricing approach that boosted profits without scaring clients off
Discovery calls that qualify the right clients and save time, energy and sanity
Why a studio full of artwork sells more than words ever could
Facebook ads that actually work — and the simple tweaks that keep enquiries coming in
Coffee, dogs, and photos — the local partnerships creating real win–win opportunities
Outsourcing for growth — how handing off editing freed up time and fuelled consistency
Smart automation that books clients while you sleep
Real stories and authentic testimonials that actually drive bookings
Pricing with confidence — and why it means happier clients and fewer headaches
Investing in yourself through coaching and community for long-term success
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet. Plus, special member-only interviews.
If you map out your ideal life and know what you want from your business, then you can also work out, how many sessions can I do in a week? How much do I need to earn per session to make this business hit the goals that I want to hit. – Jon Mills
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online. Seriously, that's not all.
I was very much undervaluing the product that I was offering… I increased my prices and discovered, not only do I attract better clients, but it gives me a massive boost to go, yeah, my artwork and the product and service I provide is worth the amount that will make this business profitable, rather than constantly chasing my tail. – Jon Mills
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Jon shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
It's the black and white images that really draw them in in the first place… it's always the black and white ones that get people's attention. – Jon Mills
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Jon, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons. Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome! Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
I want photos that represent people and they're connected with their dog. The last thing I want to do is, is to make people think you've got to be… ‘England's next top model' in order to even think about getting photos… they're supposed to look like regular people with their dogs, because that's who I'm trying to attract. – Jon Mills
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name. Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
The reason people are apprehensive about coming in for a session, usually, is, they're worried their dog won't sit still. They're worried that they might not look great in the photos… And so for me, rather than saying, ‘oh, you know, we've only got X number of vouchers to offer, and you've won a competition', it's very much a we want to give you the opportunity to see what we can do for you, and therefore we're giving you a complimentary session. – Jon Mills
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Here's the latest review…
★★★★★ The good stuff is in the premium membership!
Via Google reviews by Tampa Headshot Photographer James Connell, in the USA on August 15th, 2025.
I cannot say enough good things about Andrew and his podcast. I've been a premium member for years and have gained so much valuable insight.
The free content is great, but the good stuff is in the premium membership – not to mention the value that comes from the private Facebook group!
Thank you so much for everything you do for the photography community. You've thanklessly helped so many!
I've listened to a decent amount of photography-related podcasts, but I always keep coming back to yours, and it's the only one I pay for.
Keep up the great content, and Cheers!
A New Book by Past Guest — Claire Thomas
If you haven't heard the interview with Claire Thomas, it's a great story from an INCREDIBLE photographer who derives an income from a varied source, including documenting war stories, commercial photography, fine art photography sales and running amazing photo tours to a country with places and people she loves… Mongolia.
You can hear that interview here: https://photobizx.com/claire-thomas-chasing-stories-and-an-income-as-a-documentary-and-fine-art-photographer
Claire has just been in touch to share the news about the release of her new book: ALTAI, Hunters and Herders of Mongolia.
You can learn more about the book, the release and ordering from this email Claire sent:
I wanted to share some exciting news with you — my first photo book, ALTAI: Hunters and Herders of Mongolia, has just launched for pre-orders. This project has been years in the making and means a great deal to me.
You can take a look here: https://hemeria.com/en-en/pages/altai-preorders-offers
We’re producing two editions:
Classic coffee table edition
Grand Limited Edition (40 × 50 cm) – just 30 signed copies, each in a handcrafted clamshell box
There’s a special pre-order discount until the end of September, and we’re aiming to have the books delivered in time for Christmas.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Soul Dog Studios Website
Soul Dog Studios on Instagram
Soul Dog Studios on Facebook
Episode 477: Adam Gray – Studio pet photography leads, conversions, sales and success
Episode 556: Johl Dunn – Unlock Your Photography Business Potential and Stop Failing
Episode 538: John Glaser – Facebook Ads and what you need to be aware of when running yours
Episode 136: Bernie Griffiths – A Challenge for You to Book More Portrait Photography Sessions
Episode 580: Brendan Taylor – The TogPod CRM Revolution… The Future of Photography Business
I ask for a £50 admin fee when they book in for their session. And I use that as a two way guarantee, which has worked really well. So I kind of say it guarantees you come for your session, but it also guarantees I captured beautiful artwork you're going to absolutely love. And if I don't, I just give you that back. – Jon Mills
Thank you!
Big thanks to Jon for sharing so openly in this episode. It’s not every day you hear someone lay out the real journey of pivoting into a new market, taking risks, and backing themselves — from renting a studio and moving into IPS to building a six-figure pet photography brand in just a couple of years. What stood out most is how simple, consistent actions — discovery calls, Facebook ads, outsourcing, and a no-pressure sales approach — have fuelled such rapid growth. There’s a lot here to reflect on if you’ve ever wondered what’s really possible when you price with confidence and commit to the business you want to build. I’d love to hear what resonates for you after listening.
My discovery calls are really, really important, because if I have a client that says 350 pounds is more than I can justify. I absolutely am going to tell them, ‘You know what? That's totally fine, but this isn't for you, because you're going to walk away disappointed. And I don't want that for anyone'. – Jon Mills
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon Andrew
The coffee shop display referenced by Jon in the interview
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Aug 11, 2025 • 0sec
629: Patrick Fore – The Brutal Truth About Photography Business, Boundaries, and Burnout
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Patrick Fore of www.terriblephotographer.com and www.patrickfore.com is a San Diego-based commercial photographer and creative director with over 15 years of experience in graphic design and photography.
His work is first-rate! He is seriously, a fantastic photographer.
Beyond his impressive portfolio, Patrick is also the author of Lessons from a Terrible Photographer and hosts the Terrible Photographer Podcast.
It wasn't his photography that first caught my attention, though. It was an email from PhotoBizX Member and photographer, Ben Shakespeare, who wrote…
Hi Andrew,
I've been listening to something and was compelled to email you.
Sometimes you hear something that really strikes you – 99% of the time so far that's come from your podcast, but just before I headed away on holiday (after a really intense 2025 so far) I found the Terrible Photographer's podcast.
As someone who had been at the limit of what was physically possible in my business, it was exactly what I needed to hear. I'm not sure if you'd feel it would be right for Photobizx in terms of business growth, but I've been back and listened to every episode twice, such was the impact it's had on me.
That was enough for me to go searching and I'm rapt to say in this interview, Patrick shares the brutal truth about photography business, boundaries, and burnout.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
From Grammy winners to hair stylists — how chasing the “dream job” nearly broke Patrick.
The burnout signs too many photographers ignore — and how he pulled himself back.
Walking away from a six-figure salary — and earning more by putting life first.
Boundaries that protect your business, creativity… and your sanity.
The photography industry’s harsh reality — beyond the Instagram gloss.
How smart SEO brought a flood of clients from a standing start.
When free work works — building a portfolio that attracts the right people.
The art–business balancing act: earning well without losing your voice.
Why personal projects aren’t optional — they’re the fuel that keeps you shooting.
Working with art directors without losing creative control.
The emotional toll of unpaid invoices — and how to protect yourself.
How honesty about the hard stuff makes your work (and relationships) stronger.
Keeping momentum during slow seasons with goals, structure, and movement.
Burnout, self-doubt, and therapy — why talking about it makes you a better photographer.
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet. Plus, special member-only interviews.
I think in my criticism of a lot of the photography education and content out there is they make it sound awesome, right? They're like, ‘Build your business in four easy steps,' right? And it's like, ‘Oh my gosh.' It's like, if it was only that easy, right? – Patrick Fore
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online. Seriously, that's not all.
When you're constantly feeling like you don't have any power in the relationship between you and the craft, that's when burnout happens… that's when it becomes like, ‘Man, I'm not getting any enjoyment out of this. It's just work. There's no fun in it anymore. I'm not growing.' – Patrick Fore
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Patrick shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
No matter what I'm shooting, I'm always looking for ways that I can put my spin on it, and sometimes that just might be, like, shooting outside of scope on purpose. – Patrick Fore
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Patrick, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons. Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome! Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
I'm a big proponent of therapy, and I strongly suggest that that people take care of their mental health. – Patrick Fore
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name. Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Photography, first and foremost, is an art form. It's a way to express yourself. – Patrick Fore
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
The Terrible Photographer Website
The Terrible Photographer Podcast
Patrick Fore Website
Patrick Fore on Facebook
Patrick Fore on Instagram
Ben Shakespeare – Islay Professional Photography
For me, I always need to keep working, you know? So I need to either be shooting or doing something else, right? I need to feel productive. […] So for me, it's like setting objectives, setting goals. […] So it's setting clear, actionable things to do, so you feel like you're not just sitting idly by waiting for a phone call to happen. – Patrick Fore
Thank you!
Big thanks to Patrick for being so open in this episode. It’s not often you hear someone pull back the curtain on the real pressures of the photography industry — burnout, boundaries, self-doubt, and all — and still walk away with more clarity, freedom, and success. From leaving a six-figure salary to building a business that fits his life (not the other way around), to using SEO, personal projects, and honest conversations to fuel his work… there’s plenty here to get you thinking about how you run your own business. I’d love to hear what resonates and hits home for you.
Also, a big shout-out to Islay whiskey photographer Ben Shakespear, who suggested and recommended Patrick for this interview. Thanks Ben!
It's okay to make mistakes. It's okay to fuck up. It's okay to take a step back. It's okay to question yourself. It's okay to, like, question if you're good or not. It's okay to want to quit, right? Or think about quitting. You know, that's all normal. – Patrick Fore
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon Andrew
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Aug 4, 2025 • 53min
628: Liam and Dominique Shaw – The Business of Creative Documentary Photography
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Liam and Dominique Shaw of www.yorkplacestudios.co.uk were introduced to me by Blair deLaubenfels of World's Best Wedding Photos. Blair told me they are credited with bringing street photography to weddings, and their artistic vision and approach to their work is absolutely brilliant.
They are also the authors of “Is This Something?” A guide to capturing the unposed image through the lens of a wedding day.
Following that intro, off I went to take a look at what I could learn online.
The first thing to jump out at me regarding their images wasn't amazing light, a trendy colour cast, mind-blowing locations or model-like subjects. Their images required me to stop, slow down and absorb what I was looking at. And stopping to appreciate their photography is so worth the effort.
Slowing down allowed the magic of their images to emerge… from humour, storytelling, complex layers, beautiful moments, and a quirky interpretation of weddings, families and events. Their images are just so good!
In this interview, we dive deep into the business of creative documentary photography and how you can build a standout wedding brand by leaning into your vision, attracting the right clients, and letting go of industry “shoulds.”
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
From a Scarborough high street studio to £4K weddings — how this brother-sister team built a brand photographers (and couples) rave about
Why the booking journey starts with vibe — not a price list
Shooting just 20 weddings a year… and earning more because of it
Don’t wait for the moment — create it: how they capture magic without staging a thing
The underrated combo that still fills their calendar: SEO and word of mouth
Charging what you’re worth — and why their prices reflect value, not volume
How the right website portfolio attracts the best clients (and gives them total creative freedom)
Turning education into a £70K side hustle — and why they still do it for the love
The truth about working as a team: no fixed roles, full trust, and open conversations
Post-GFC pivot: what they changed when the world crashed (and how it saved the business)
Educating your clients = better bookings, smoother shoots, fewer surprises
Documentary doesn’t mean dull — why they lean into humour, honesty and humanity
Still saying yes to everything? Why niching down gave them clarity, consistency and growth
Letting go of perfect: how embracing imperfection leads to better photos and happier clients
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet. Plus, special member-only interviews.
And there's nothing quite like having to succeed and not having a backup plan and going and saying, “We have to make this work, whatever it takes. We're in this now.” – Liam Shaw
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online. Seriously, that's not all.
There's no ego. That's one of the things that's really important, actually probably the most, most important. No ego. It doesn't matter who took the picture and doesn't matter who got the award. It doesn't matter. It does not matter because the important thing is, as a team, York Place Studios got the picture. That's what we care about. – Dominique Shaw
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Liam & Dominique shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
I think about what's in front of me, and how do I make the best of this and then move on to the next? And if I'm successful, then I forget about it. And if I'm not successful, I forget about it. It doesn't matter. You've got to stay in the moment. – Liam Shaw
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Liam & Dominique, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons. Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome! Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
The important thing is to have other options. And we learned that with covid. Wedding photography can't just be it, because when covid happened, wedding photography vanished, and it wasn't a thing. So it was like, “Okay, so what can we do?” It really made you think, “Oh, actually, it's a good idea to have other avenues, other sources of income.” – Dominique Shaw
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name. Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Regarding partnerships, if it's right, you will know, and there'll be no doubts in your mind that this is the decision to take. And if there is any doubts, then absolutely, this is probably the wrong thing to do. – Liam Shaw
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
York Place Studios Website
York Place Studios on Facebook
York Place Studios on Instagram
Is This Something? – A Documentary Wedding Photography Book by Liam and Dominique Shaw
Seemingly Insignificant on Instagram
PBX615 Episode: Blair deLaubenfels – Booking Luxury Photography Clients Starts with the Right Images—and Words
A lot of photography is mentality. If you feel like you're struggling, that will show in your photographs. So you just have to stay with it. Stay calm, keep shooting, and things will come, but you have to believe. – Dominique Shaw
Thank you!
Big thanks to Liam & Dominique for sharing so generously in this episode. It’s refreshing to hear from photographers who’ve built a thriving wedding business by backing their creativity, trusting their instincts, and ignoring the noise. From pricing and client education to their unposed approach and business pivots — there’s a lot here to spark ideas. If you’ve been craving more clarity, freedom, or purpose in your work… this one’s well worth your time. I’d love to hear what resonates most for you.
If you love the work, it's not so much work. If you're really not liking the work, then it feels like a lot. So that's something that we value and take into consideration in any kind of business decision that we're doing. – Liam Shaw
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon Andrew
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Jul 28, 2025 • 44min
627: Kenny Martin – Profit Over Hype. Building a Sustainable Photography Business
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Kenny Martin of www.thestudiodoctor.co.uk is someone I’ve been hearing about behind the scenes for a while now — especially from photographers in the UK.
Known as The Studio Doctor, he is a portrait photographer and mentor based in Scotland. He’s been shooting professionally since the ‘80s, launched one of the UK’s first fully digital portrait studios, and now travels across the UK, Ireland and Europe helping studios grow, pivot, or get back on track.
He’s not big on self-promotion — you won’t find a massive online presence — but talk to anyone who’s worked with him, and they’ll tell you: Kenny’s the real deal. No fluff, no gimmicks, just honest advice and solid results.
It was Susan Renee, from last week's episode, Premium Member and fantastic pet photographer, who first reached out and said:
“Kenny tells it how it is. You’d love speaking with him.”
In this interview, Kenny shares his thoughts and ideas on building a sustainable photography business by focusing on profit over hype.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
Why profit matters more than turnover (and how to stop chasing the wrong number)
The 7 parts of your client journey you have to get right — from first enquiry to final sale
How one smart shift to wall art tripled the studio’s average sale
Could you be unknowingly filtering out your best clients?
The old-school sales tool that still works: telesales done the right way
How a simple pram shop promo filled the calendar and boosted bookings
Still leaning on Facebook ads? These proven promo ideas work better (and cost less)
The £14.4k coaching offer that turned into a 15-year photography business
Why smaller, simpler studios are the path to profit and balance
Want to double your sales? It starts before the shoot, not after
Why copy-paste business plans fail — and what to focus on instead
The real numbers you should be tracking (that most photographers ignore)
How client education builds trust, boosts sales, and leads to better referrals
Think you don’t need a coach? Why that might be costing you more than you realise
What your slow season and quiet inbox are actually telling you
From in-person to online: how Kenny’s pivot made coaching more accessible
The one question to ask before launching your next promo
The “family feel” of long-term coaching — and how deep support brings deeper results
Emails going nowhere? Try a quick text or personal video to re-engage leads
Why your next big promo win could come from a baby expo or charity collab
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet.
Plus, special member-only interviews.
Literally, every single one of my studios, Andrew, who were doing weddings before I started, were desperate to stop the weddings after about two years, because they realized how important and how much more money was to be made in portraiture right now. – Kenny Martin
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.
Seriously, that's not all.
I think small is beautiful. So I'm really not that interested in what the turnover is. I'm more interested in what kind of profit that is for these guys at the end of the day. – Kenny Martin
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Kenny shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
Without a doubt, if you're not telephoning, if you don't have a structure to telephone these people, you ain't going to succeed. It is absolutely crucial to the success of the businesses. It really is. – Kenny Martin
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Kenny, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons.
Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!
Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
I've got a very simple philosophy, and that's, “Give them a chance.” Right? Give them an offer. Give them a chance. – Kenny Martin
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.
Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
For me, success isn't determined by how much turnover you've got and how big your place is. It's about your mental health, your aspirations, the type of business that you want and how much profit you're going to have at the end of the day to enjoy yourselves. – Kenny Martin
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
The Studio Doctor Website
Kenny Martin Website
Noir Portraits by Kenny Martin
Kenny Martin on Facebook
The Studio Doctor on YouTube
Episode 626: Susan Renée – Are Giveaways Hurting Your Brand or Building It?
When I see people who try and filter customers before they've been in for a session, who just try and bring in the absolute cream of the crop in their studio thinking that they're going to be better spenders than the normal person, right? They're on the wrong track entirely. – Kenny Martin
Special Offer from Kenny Martin – Save £400 on the Photo Noir Course
Kenny has just released a major new course on his Studio Doctor website, diving deep into his unique Photo Noir concept.
The training is built around a complete step-by-step system — from planning and marketing a promotion, to choosing winners, booking, running the session, editing, selling, and analysing results. It includes 19 core videos, plus a heap of bonus content and downloadable resources.
Normally priced at £995, Kenny is offering a massive £400 discount exclusively for PhotoBizX listeners — bringing the price down to £595.
Use discount code BIZ400 at checkout to claim your saving. Nothing in this for me, just passing on the details from Kenny.
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Thank you!
Big thanks to Kenny for sharing so openly in this episode. It’s good to hear from someone focused on what really works — building a solid, sustainable photography business without getting caught up in trends. From client experience to promotions and the thinking behind it all, there’s plenty here to reflect on. If you’ve been questioning your approach or unsure if the basics still hold up — this one’s 100% worth a listen. I’d love to hear what stands out for you.
We took them from £270,000 to one and a half years later, £790,000, just by niching down and concentrating on one thing very well, as opposed to, being a jack of all trades. – Kenny Martin
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Jul 20, 2025 • 22min
626: Susan Renée – Are Giveaways Hurting Your Brand or Building It?
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Susan Renee of www.kingshillstudios.co.uk in Scotland first reached out with a concern I hear more often than you'd think: Are giveaways hurting my brand?
She’d been told by another coach to stop running Facebook competitions — that it made her look “cheap” and would attract the wrong kind of clients.
Thing is, Susan had the numbers.
The bookings were coming in.
Clients were returning.
The system was working… she just wasn’t sure if she should trust it anymore.
So, I connected her with last week's guest and photography business coach, Kim Hamblin, who helped her dig into the data and reverse-engineer a smarter way to run ads that work — and, most importantly, to back herself and her business.
This interview isn’t just about giveaways or Facebook ads (though we cover plenty of that). It’s about what happens when doubt creeps in, especially after a tough year personally. It’s about the power of mindset, knowing your numbers, and staying consistent with what’s working — even if it looks different from what the “experts” say you should be doing.
Susan’s story is real, relatable, and packed with lessons for any photographer second-guessing their path.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
Why “free” doesn’t have to mean “cheap” — and how Susan uses giveaways to build a premium brand that attracts the right clients
How she went from second-guessing herself to fully booked — with the help of some smart, strategic Facebook ads
The hidden goldmine in nurture sequences — and how they turn cold leads into loyal, paying clients
What it was like to grieve and grow a business at the same time — and how it shaped where Susan’s headed now
The big lessons from 10 years in business — including why she stopped listening to every coach and started trusting herself
Why knowing your numbers matters more than following the latest trends or “expert” advice
The Facebook ads trick Susan swears by — and how reverse engineering her goals changed everything
Want return clients? It starts with delivering an incredible first experience — even if it came from a giveaway
How she’s making newborn photography profitable and protecting her weekends
What makes a giveaway actually lead to sales — and the key piece most photographers miss
How a mindset shift became her most powerful marketing move
Still asking if giveaways work? The better question: Are you guiding your leads to become clients?
Why you don’t need a total overhaul to grow — just double down on what’s already working
Ditch the guilt: The moment Susan stopped chasing other people’s paths and leaned into her own
From Facebook leads to a calendar full of bookings — why staying consistent is where the real magic is
Burnout red flags Susan’s watching for now — and how blocking weekends changed her business for the better
Marketing isn’t one-size-fits-all — and Susan’s story proves what’s possible when you make it your own
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet.
Plus, special member-only interviews.
I think what I really enjoyed about working with Kim, and when I say working with Kim, we just had the one talk, the one long chat, was that she really understood the photography business. She understood what I was speaking about when I said that I didn't want to work on a Saturday. I do work on a Saturday usually, and actually, I'm all working all day…But she absolutely understood my business model, which was fantastic. – Susan Renée
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.
Seriously, that's not all.
I have over 200, 5 star Google reviews, and most of those are from people who have won a complimentary session that have come in and spent hundreds of pounds and that was all working fine. It was a change of direction I was looking for in the genre aspect. – Susan Renée
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Susan shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
I'm very, very grateful that Kim Marie took me right back to basics… she didn't just reassure me. She made sure she looked at the numbers because it's not good enough just to think you're doing okay. You have to look at the facts. But when she took me through those and showed me how to, I did learn as well, you know, about how to reverse engineer for the Facebook ads, even more succinctly going forward. – Susan Renée
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Susan, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons.
Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!
Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
Leave your creativity behind when you go into the studio. Just do what works and be creative in your own time. – Susan Renée
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.
Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Susan Renée Website
Susan Renée at Kingshill Studios on Facebook
Susan Renée on Instagram
Susan Renée on LinkedIn
Kingshill Studios on LinkedIn
Episode 436: Nik Buttigieg – Change your mindset for photography sales success
Episode 420: Kim Hamblin – How to build a photography business to sell
Episode 625: Kim Hamblin – Photography Sales Confidence and the Business Metrics That Matter
Kim Hamblin $10k Challenge Waitlist
I've got a very strong nurture program around my giveaways. So when people come in, they're coming in as clients. They're not coming in thinking that they're getting a free shoot. They're fully aware of pricing. They're looking to buy. They know what they're going to buy. They tell me, before I've even lifted the camera, what they're going to be taking. – Susan Renée
Thank you!
Big thanks to Susan for sharing so openly in this episode. After a tough year and a wave of doubt, it was working with Kim Hamblin of Kim Marie Coaching that helped her see the truth — her numbers were solid, her strategy was working, and she just needed to back herself. It’s always good to hear from someone who’s not chasing shiny tactics but building a business that works for them. If you’ve been second-guessing your marketing, wondering if giveaways are still worth it, or just need a reminder to trust what’s working — this one’s for you. Can’t wait to hear what stands out.
I had spoken to another coach, and he had said, be very careful of running constant giveaways, because it will cheapen the brand…will make people think that you're a cheap photographer. And I really had a crisis of confidence, because I've run Facebook ads and Facebook giveaways for many years and they've worked very, very successfully. – Susan Renée
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Jul 13, 2025 • 40min
625: Kim Hamblin – Photography Sales Confidence and the Business Metrics That Matter
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Kim Hamblin of www.kimmarie.co was first interviewed on episode 420 of the podcast, where she shared the full story behind selling her incredibly successful portrait studio in Auckland, New Zealand — a studio bringing in over $500,000 in revenue.
In that chat, we covered how she built the business, why she decided to sell, and what came next.
One of the big takeaways? Expos were the engine behind most of her bookings, not Facebook ads. That led to her popular PhotoBizX training: How to book unlimited portrait clients at expos and massively reduce your reliance on FB ads — still current and available on the PhotoBizX website.
We also discovered that Kim was feeling drawn to business coaching and planned to make that her next chapter.
Fast forward to now… and that’s exactly what she’s been doing.
In this episode, Kim shares how to build sales confidence and the business metrics that matter in any photography business.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
Why selling her studio was the start of something bigger — and what Kim’s mission looks like now
The emotional side of stepping away from a thriving business (and what she wishes more photographers knew)
The most important question to ask before you hire a coach
Why waiting till burnout hits is the worst time to get support
How Kim built a six-figure studio and a life she actually enjoyed
Are you chasing six figures… but ignoring the numbers that matter most?
Why simplicity is your best growth strategy — especially when it comes to systems
The SOPs that took Kim from chaos to clarity in her business
The sales game-changer most photographers miss: education before the shoot
How role plays and debriefs helped Kim’s team build confidence and convert more clients
Objections? Here’s how to handle them without slashing your prices
Why empathy beats pushiness every time when it comes to sales
How to offer flexible pricing without lowering your value
The truth about evergreen giveaways — and why they often flop
What actually works: How Kim tested and tweaked giveaways to generate real leads
Why layering your marketing beats relying on one strategy
Volume vs quality: Which business model makes sense for you?
What your booking gaps and no-sales are really trying to tell you
Why coaching isn’t a luxury — it’s your shortcut to smarter growth
How tracking the right numbers helped Kim grow her business — and now her clients’ too
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet.
Plus, special member-only interviews.
Anyone can run a Facebook ad, everyone can do a giveaway, and go to an expiring get a ton of leads…but it's what happens in the back end that's actually going to make the difference. – Kim Hamblin
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.
Seriously, that's not all.
When you're focused on your client and not your fear of the client or fear of selling, you're going to get way better results.- Kim Hamblin
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Kim shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
If you can understand what goes into the your profit versus what goes into generating your leads… track your metrics every point of the way, and you're probably not doing as bad as you think you are. If you think you're struggling, you probably just have to increase a couple of those metrics or dive into some of them, and you might get very different results at the other end. – Kim Hamblin
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Kim, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons.
Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!
Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
When you've got great marketing at the front end, you've got great lead gen, and you're fully booked, one or two no-sales are not going to hurt. – Kim Hamblin
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.
Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Anything you do more than once… There has to be a system behind it. There has to be a step by step system. And the simpler you can make it, the more effective it's going to be. – Kim Hamblin
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Kim Marie Website
Kim Marie on Facebook
Kim Marie on Instagram
How to book unlimited portrait clients at expos and massively reduce your reliance on FB ads
Revenue Roadmap Call with Kim Marie
Episode 420: Kim Hamblin – How to build a photography business to sell
I don't believe there's one business model that is right. I think it depends very much on what the individual wants. – Kim Hamblin
Thank you!
Big thanks to Kim for coming back on the show and sharing so generously. It’s inspiring to hear from someone who’s built real success — then walked away to help others do the same, with more clarity, confidence, and control. Whether you’re hitting roadblocks with pricing, feeling stretched by your sales process, or wondering what it really takes to grow a profitable photography business, this one’s packed with takeaways. Can’t wait to hear what stands out for you!
We're stacking the value to bring them up, not trying to discount so they have more for less. – Kim Hamblin
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Jul 7, 2025 • 0sec
624: Brennan Haelig – The Photographer’s Guide to Meta Ads That Actually Work (and Don’t Cost a Fortune)
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Brennan Haelig of www.jumpstartroi.com is the CEO and Founder of Jump Start ROI – a marketing agency that helps business owners find and attract their perfect leads and turn them into paying customers.
This includes Done-For-You advertising across Facebook, Instagram, Google, YouTube, LinkedIn and TikTok.
Plus, they help with your website copy, landing pages, email and text messaging.
I first became aware of Brennan and his company through long-term PhotoBizX Member, past guest and course presenter, John Glaser.
Here's what John told me in a recent message…
I have a podcast guest for you. He is running my Facebook ads and is totally cutting the costs.
For example, one of my best booking and sales genres is senior dogs. However, about a year ago, the ads stopped working, and all my leads were worth around $20. I stopped doing it, tried again, and got the same result.
This guy started one for me, and I am getting $3.50 leads.
He is working with another photographer, and they have reported some success with him.
John was, of course, referring to Brennan Haelig, who shares how photographers should be utilising Meta Ads that actually work, and don't cost a fortune.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
Why a basic website didn’t hold Brennan back from scaling a profitable agency
The surprising truth about Upwork: how it can attract premium clients, not just cheapskates
Is your marketing agency ripping you off? What you should get for $1,500 a month — and what to steer clear of
An affordable way to test ads before paying big money to an agency
Why Brennan still backs lead ads as the best bet for photography leads — and how to make them pay
The simple ad formula photographers can use: portrait images + strong headlines = more conversions
How to stop wasting money on dud ads with creative testing and data-led decisions
Marketing on autopilot while you’re on holiday — how automations can keep bookings rolling in
Why Facebook still beats TikTok, Google, and LinkedIn for local lead gen (and how to use it)
Local SEO vs LinkedIn Ads: what actually works for headshot and portrait bookings
Running ads without being locked into a contract — Brennan’s client-first model
What to know before risking your last dollar on Facebook Ads
The critical reason to own your ad accounts, not hand them over to an agency
Brennan’s take on whether AI will replace your advertising efforts — and how to stay ahead
Why photographers who understand ad platforms have a real market advantage
How Brennan’s agency is rewriting the rulebook with no contracts, transparency, and genuine results
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
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We are small and lean enough to where we talk with the majority of our clients most days of the week. You know, John Glaser, who referred us to you, we talked to him almost every day, five days a week. And we can do that because we're small enough to be able to have that level of communication and also not charge an arm and a leg for what we do. — Brennan Haelig
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.
Seriously, that's not all.
If you're only spending $100 a week, it's probably not quite enough to be able to make those decisions. So you have to spend enough, not only to afford the cost of an agency, but even if you're just running your ads on your own, you need to spend enough to get enough statistically significant data to make better decisions faster. — Brennan Haelig
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Brennan shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
With Google, it's generally more expensive, but the quality is better. With Facebook, it's cheaper, but the quality is worse. And when I say cheaper or more expensive, I mean in cost per lead or cost per conversion type of terms. — Brennan Haelig
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Brennan, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons.
Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!
Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
Most of the lead volume actually comes from Facebook, even though, for photographers, Instagram is usually the platform that they care about the most, but it is actually not where you're going to get most of the leads. — Brennan Haelig
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.
Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Meta is very good at understanding what is this ad? Who is it for? It's looking at your website traffic data, all the data you might have collected on your Facebook pixel, all of that stuff. And so, really they want you to get results because they want you to spend money. — Brennan Haelig
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Jump Start ROI
Jump Start ROI on LinkedIn
Episode 538: John Glaser – Facebook Ads and what you need to be aware of when running yours
I personally try to get every single one of our clients to really understand what's going on in their ad account so that they can access it themselves at any time. The back end of meta is not the most user friendly. It's definitely not, but I think that it's really empowering if you as the business owner know how to do that. — Brennan Haelig
Thank you!
Big thanks to Brennan for sharing so openly in this episode. It’s great to hear from someone flipping the script on how marketing should work — with transparency, fair pricing, and real results, rather than empty agency promises. I reckon you’ll walk away with plenty to think about, whether that’s taking back control of your ads, cutting what’s not working, or building a more sustainable way to grow your photography business. Love to hear your thoughts on this one!
You need to be spending enough to get enough traffic and enough lead flow so that you can learn ‘How well does my site or landing page convert customers?' ‘What is it going to cost me to get leads?' ‘How many of these leads actually turn into customers?'— Brennan Haelig
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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Jun 30, 2025 • 42min
623: Brianna Shrader – Behind the Scenes of a 40 Over 40 Campaign
Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area
Brianna Shrader of www.shyheartstudios.com was interviewed for episode 484, where she shared her insights on how to grow a team to support a fast-growing and profitable photography business.
She also delivered a fantastic series of training on how to utilise AI in your photography business last year.
Today, I’ve asked her back for what I know will be a motivational episode.
Last year, when Laurie Brown delivered her 40 Over 40 marketing strategy training — which has been hugely successful for her — Brianna jumped in.
Brianna recently completed her campaign, and if you watch the 2-minute highlight film from her Gala evening that her PR team put together, you’ll be blown away! Seriously, it looks amazing!
But it hasn’t been plain sailing.
Brianna emailed Laurie and me to say this:
Well… I did it!!! Last Thursday, I hosted my Stories of Motherhood Gala.
There were a lot of things against me when I kicked this campaign off, and I learned a LOT.
It did not pan out to be the big money-maker I had hoped it would be, but I’m already planning for next year anyway. I know that through everything I learned and all of the incredible material I have from it this year, next year will be even more successful.
It picked up the most traction in the last 30 days. None of my paid ads went well, but I managed to book about 20 clients (my goal was 30).
I had one AMAZING sponsor at $7500, which was the biggest motivation for me to keep pushing through.
Andrew — I know we talked about doing an episode about this, and I’m more than happy to do so… but just wanted to give you fair warning that it was not as successful as Laurie’s have been. HOWEVER, I am extremely proud of how it all came together. It was literally my first rodeo, and I know that round two will be even better.
That was more than enough for me — and I asked Brianna back for this interview, where she shares all the details behind the scenes of a 40 over 40 campaign.
Here's some more of what we covered in the interview:
How she turned a challenging campaign into a powerful learning experience
Why starting early is the secret weapon for successful photography campaigns
The real reason she chose motherhood over a proven 40 Over 40 campaign
How following her passion still grew her brand — even without profit
Why planning around key dates (like Mother’s Day) can boost your campaign’s emotional impact
A look inside her PR strategy and how she got stories about her clients published
The power of storytelling in photography marketing — and how to get media attention
How a clear sponsorship package helped secure $7,500 in funding
Sponsorship secrets — what brands really want in return, and how to pitch it
From wildfires to White House shifts — how external events tested her resilience
Why building community at her event was more valuable than cash
How one unforgettable gala moment (and a trip onstage!) made the event more human
Why perfection isn’t the goal — connection and visibility are
How involving friends and family created a stronger, more supported launch
The unexpected ways a campaign like this can elevate your photography brand
Brianna’s plan to scale next year with more shoots, more vendors, and more visibility
Why adapting proven templates to fit your purpose is the key to authentic marketing
What every photographer should know before launching a passion-driven campaign
The power of perseverance — how setbacks became stepping stones
How you can learn from Brianna’s wins and mistakes to design a passion-fuelled, profitable project of your own
How to turn a one-off campaign into an annual tradition and business builder
What’s on Offer for Premium Members
If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, a fantastic back catalogue of interviews, and have ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet.
Plus, special member-only interviews.
Of course, I want more profit, but I'm also just really ridiculously passionate about motherhood and sharing these stories and the response and the conversations and the emotion that came out of these people that participated has been so rewarding for me. – Brianna Shrader
You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group, where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. The group also has FB live video tutorials, role-play, and special live interviews. You will not find more friendly, motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.
Seriously, that's not all.
Ask. Just ask, and to not be attached to the answer. – Brianna Shrader
In addition to everything above, you'll get access to instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable, and build friendships with other pro photographers with motives similar to yours – to build a more successful photography business.
What is your big takeaway?
Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything from what Brianna shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, leave your thoughts in the comments below; let me know your takeaways and what you plan to implement in your business based on what you heard in today's episode.
The biggest hurdle for me, I think, was putting myself out there and making that ask was so hard for me. I don't like to ask people for things, certainly not money. It's really hard for me, but I coined February, “Fuck it, February.” I was like, I have no time. I have to just ask. And so I was like, every day I need to just ask one person. And I did that for two weeks straight. Just every day ask somebody, and if they say, ‘No', move on. It's okay, just move on. Just move on. – Brianna Shrader
If you have any questions I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Brianna, or a way to thank you for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.
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iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs
I check for any new iTunes or Google reviews each week, and it's always a buzz to receive these… for several reasons.
Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!
Secondly, iTunes and Google are the most significant podcast search engines, and your reviews and ratings help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and, ultimately, a better show.
I hope that somebody gets inspired by this and does it either for mothers or for some other, you know what I mean? I hope that it grows, because I think that as photographers, we initially were first were artists, right? – Brianna Shrader
If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes or https://photobizx.com/google. You can leave some honest feedback and a rating, which will help me and the show. I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.
Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast. Email me your keywords or phrases and where you'd like me to link them.
Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy, and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has impacted you and your photography business.
Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:
Brianna Shrader Website
Brianna Shrader on Facebook
Brianna Shrader on Instagram
Episode 550: Laurie Brown – How to build (and run) a long term successful photography business
How to Attract High-Value Clients with a “40 Over 40” Portrait Campaign
I've been in my business for 10 years. If you would have asked me about this a year ago, there's no way I would have thought about anything like this two years ago, three years ago, I think it takes the right mindset and it takes the right passion. – Brianna Shrader
Thank you!
A huge thanks to Brianna for sharing so generously in this episode. It’s inspiring to hear from someone who’s defined success on her own terms — prioritising peace of mind, freedom, and creativity over chasing profit alone. I hope her story lights a spark for you too, whether it’s about letting go of busywork, finding the right support, or picturing what growth could look like in your own business.
I love boudoir. I think it's amazing. I love what Laurie does. I just felt I would have a hard time selling something I myself wouldn't participate in necessarily. I might be able to be convinced, but I find that I'm best at selling albums. Why? Because I buy albums. I create albums for my kids every year, and I treasure them. So I'm so much better at selling something that I love and I utilize. – Brianna Shrader
That’s it for me this week; I hope everything is going well for you in life and business!
Thanks, and speak soon
Andrew
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