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Outside Ourselves with Kelsi Klembara features conversations about God’s gift of faith. What does it mean for saving faith to stand outside of our abilities and works? Join Kelsi as she explores questions about the Christian faith with theologians and theology lovers. New episodes every other week. Outside Ourselves is a part of the 1517 Podcast Network.
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Mar 25, 2025 • 1h 2min
Forty Facets of the Ascension with Sarah Hinlicky Wilson
Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is back to talk about her latest book, Forty Facets of the Ascension. She breaks down the two Biblical accounts of the Ascension in Luke and Acts and talks about what the ascension tells us (and what it doesn't tell us) about Jesus as well as what it means for Christians. Find her kickstarter for the book linked below! Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is a prolific author of theology, fiction, and poetry. She is the founder of Thornbush Press and hosts the podcast Queen of the Sciences: Conversations between a Theologian and Her Dad. Born and raised in the U.S., Sarah has lived in Slovakia, France, and Japan.Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify YoutubeMore from Sarah:Forty Facets of the Ascension KickstarterSarah's WebsiteSarah's Podcast

Mar 11, 2025 • 1h 12min
Legalism and the Book of Galatians with R.L. Solberg
In today’s episode, Kelsi chats with theologian and author R.L. Solberg about his apologetic ministry, which focuses on providing a defense of historical and scriptural Christianity in response to Torahism or the Hebrew Roots movement. Robert lays out some of the issues with Torahism before talking about his newest book, The Law, the Christ, and the Promise: A Verse-by-Verse Apologetics Bible Study through Galatians. One primary goal of the book is to show how Paul’s response to the Judaizers in his day still relates to the way we combat legalism in ours. The Law, the Christ, and the Promise is now available for preorder. R. L. Solberg is an author, apologist, and professor of theology based in Nashville, TN. He runs an apologetics/teaching ministry called Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity and is known for communicating on complex topics with clarity and grace. Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify YoutubeMore from R.L. Solberg:Preorder The Law, the Christ, the PromiseThe Biblical Roots YoutubeThe Biblical Roots WebsiteRobert's BlogFollow Robert on Instagram

Mar 4, 2025 • 1h 34min
A Very Friendly Debate: The Third Use of the Law
In a new segment of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi hosts theologians Robert Kolb and Steven Paulson for a debate on the third use of the law. Dr. Kolb argues the third use of the law is an essential way in which the law functions within the life of the Christian to guide them to serve and love their neighbor, or as he likes to say, to "give shape to their good works." In contrast, Dr. Paulson argues that, Biblically speaking ,there are only two uses of the law: the first use, which curbs evil, and the second which reveals our unrighteousness and drives sinners to Christ. His interpretation relies heavily on the Reformation doctrine that we are simultaneously sinful and righteous. Because of this, Paulson contends that the law always addresses the old man, functioning to accuse and kill, while the new man in Christ remains free from the law. For Paulson, the gospel alone—not the law—defines both good works and the Christian life. Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi: Kelsi Klembara Follow Kelsi on Instagram Follow Kelsi on Twitter Kelsi's Newsletter Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts Spotify Youtube

Feb 25, 2025 • 1h 10min
A Theology of Addiction with Donavon Riley
Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Donavon Riley, about his forthcoming book, The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction. The book and conversation explore how Martin Luther's theology, specifically the reformation doctrine of Simul Iustus et Peccator can inform our understanding of addiction as well as recovery. Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi: Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Donavon:Preorder The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction, available March 11Banned Books PodcastHow Addiction Becomes Our God

Feb 11, 2025 • 1h 12min
The Craft of Preaching with Bob Hiller
Pastor Bob Hiller joins Kelsi to discuss all things preaching: what is the content and aim of preaching? How does the Lutheran definition differ from other traditions? Pastor Hiller answers all this and more.Show Notes:Support 15171517 PodcastsThe 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts1517 on YoutubeMore from Kelsi:Kelsi KlembaraFollow Kelsi on InstagramFollow Kelsi on TwitterKelsi's NewsletterSubscribe to the Show:Apple PodcastsSpotifyYoutubeMore from Bob:Craft of Preaching ArticlesWhite Horse InnFinding Christ in the StrawFollow Bob on X

Jan 28, 2025 • 1h 12min
Walking through Deconstruction with Ian Harber
Kelsi chats with Christian author Ian Harber about his new book, Walking through Deconstruction: How to be a Companion in a Crisis of Faith, which details his own experience with with Christian deconstruction and return to faith.
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Jan 14, 2025 • 44min
Good News for Church Burnouts
This week we are playing Kelsi's talk from October's 1517 HWSS conference.
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Dec 31, 2024 • 53min
Faith and Evangelism in a Secular World with Magnus Persson
In the final Outside Ourselves episode of 2024, Kelsi interviews Pastor Magnus Persson about his personal journey from successful charismatic pastor to a minister in the Swedish Evangelical Lutheran Church. Magnus talks about what it's like pastoring in the most secular country in the world as a part of the state church and what he thinks evangelism looks like for the church moving forward.
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Dec 10, 2024 • 1h 13min
A Novel of the Reformation with Amy Mantravadi
In this episode, Kelsi talks with author, Amy Mantravadi, about her new historical novel Broken Bonds: A Novel of the Reformation, released by 1517 Publishing last month. Amy talks about her journey to Reformation theology and history, and why she decided to write a novel detailing the feud between Erasmus and Martin Luther which began in 1524.
Amy Mantravadi lives in Dayton, Ohio with her husband, Jai, and their son, Thomas. She holds a B.A. in biblical literature and political science from Taylor University and received her M.A. in international security from King's College London. In addition to writing essays on theological topics, she also writes historical fiction and has two novels about the Reformation forthcoming. She also previously hosted the (A)Millennial podcast.
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Nov 26, 2024 • 55min
Christian Experience with Simeon Zahl
In this episode of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi talks with Theologian Simeon Zahl about his book, The Holy Spirit and Christian Experience. Simeon argues there is a long history of Christian experience, particularly as it's defined by human emotion, not only throughout Christian history but also within the works of the Martin Luther and Philip Melanchthon. He has worked to reconcile liturgical traditions with this history in order to try and reclaim an emphasis on Christian experience that deepens and broadens our understanding of the faith.
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