Outside Ourselves

In this conversation, Luke Kjolhaug, an author and pastor from Elam Lutheran Church, dives into his book, Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer to the Christian Life. He explores the intriguing idea of simul iustus et peccator, showing how Christians can be both flawed and justified. Luke shares personal insights on faith, grace, and the importance of imputation, while tackling misconceptions around sanctification. Their discussion reveals how this duality can lead to a more authentic spiritual journey.

Jared C. Wilson, Assistant Professor of Pastoral Ministry and author at For the Church, dives into the essential themes of his book, *Lest We Drift*. He outlines five dangers of drifting from gospel-centrality, emphasizing the importance of grace and Christ's righteousness in spiritual assurance. Wilson also addresses the fragmentation within evangelicalism, influenced by political divisions and social media, and urges believers to maintain their focus on gospel-centered preaching amidst cultural shifts.

David Zahl joins Kelsi to talk about his new book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World.David Zahl is the director of Mockingbird Ministries and editor-in-chief of the Mockingbird website. David and his wife Cate reside in Charlottesville, VA with their three boys, where David also serves on the staff of Christ Episcopal Church. He is the author of Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technlogy, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What To Do About It and Low Anthropology: The Unlikely Key to a Gracious View of Yourself. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from Dave: Preorder The Big ReliefMockingbird MinistriesListen to the Mockingcast

Mark Mattes, a Professor of Theology and Philosophy at Grand View University, dives into the complex world of assurance of salvation. He critiques decision theology, suggesting it often leaves believers wondering if they're truly saved. Instead, he highlights that salvation is primarily God's work, emphasizing the biblical metaphor of new birth. Mattes argues for a faith rooted in Christ's promises rather than personal performance, advocating for the significance of sacraments in providing assurance. He also discusses the illusion of free will and the true nature of divine grace.

Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is back to talk about her latest book, Forty Facets of the Ascension. She breaks down the two Biblical accounts of the Ascension in Luke and Acts and talks about what the ascension tells us (and what it doesn't tell us) about Jesus as well as what it means for Christians. Find her kickstarter for the book linked below! Sarah Hinlicky Wilson is a prolific author of theology, fiction, and poetry. She is the founder of Thornbush Press and hosts the podcast Queen of the Sciences: Conversations between a Theologian and Her Dad. Born and raised in the U.S., Sarah has lived in Slovakia, France, and Japan.Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: Apple Podcasts⁠ Spotify⁠ Youtube⁠More from Sarah:Forty Facets of the Ascension KickstarterSarah's WebsiteSarah's Podcast

In today’s episode, Kelsi chats with theologian and author R.L. Solberg about his apologetic ministry, which focuses on providing a defense of historical and scriptural Christianity in response to Torahism or the Hebrew Roots movement. Robert lays out some of the issues with Torahism before talking about his newest book, The Law, the Christ, and the Promise: A Verse-by-Verse Apologetics Bible Study through Galatians. One primary goal of the book is to show how Paul’s response to the Judaizers in his day still relates to the way we combat legalism in ours. The Law, the Christ, and the Promise is now available for preorder. R. L. Solberg is an author, apologist, and professor of theology based in Nashville, TN. He runs an apologetics/teaching ministry called Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity and is known for communicating on complex topics with clarity and grace. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠More from R.L. Solberg:Preorder The Law, the Christ, the PromiseThe Biblical Roots YoutubeThe Biblical Roots WebsiteRobert's BlogFollow Robert on Instagram

In a new segment of Outside Ourselves, Kelsi hosts theologians Robert Kolb and Steven Paulson for a debate on the third use of the law. Dr. Kolb argues the third use of the law is an essential way in which the law functions within the life of the Christian to guide them to serve and love their neighbor, or as he likes to say, to "give shape to their good works." In contrast, Dr. Paulson argues that, Biblically speaking ,there are only two uses of the law: the first use, which curbs evil, and the second which reveals our unrighteousness and drives sinners to Christ. His interpretation relies heavily on the Reformation doctrine that we are simultaneously sinful and righteous. Because of this, Paulson contends that the law always addresses the old man, functioning to accuse and kill, while the new man in Christ remains free from the law. For Paulson, the gospel alone—not the law—defines both good works and the Christian life. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠

Kelsi chats with pastor and author, Donavon Riley, about his forthcoming book, The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction. The book and conversation explore how Martin Luther's theology, specifically the reformation doctrine of Simul Iustus et Peccator can inform our understanding of addiction as well as recovery. Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠Subscribe to the Show:⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠Youtube⁠More from Donavon:Preorder The Impossible Prize: A Theology of Addiction, available March 11Banned Books PodcastHow Addiction Becomes Our God

Pastor Bob Hiller joins Kelsi to discuss all things preaching: what is the content and aim of preaching? How does the Lutheran definition differ from other traditions? Pastor Hiller answers all this and more.Show Notes:⁠Support 1517⁠⁠1517 Podcasts⁠⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠⁠1517 on Youtube⁠More from Kelsi:⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠Subscribe to the Show:⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠Youtube⁠More from Bob:Craft of Preaching ArticlesWhite Horse InnFinding Christ in the StrawFollow Bob on X

Kelsi chats with Christian author Ian Harber about his new book, Walking through Deconstruction: How to be a Companion in a Crisis of Faith, which details his own experience with with Christian deconstruction and return to faith. Show Notes: ⁠Support 1517⁠ ⁠1517 Podcasts⁠ ⁠The 1517 Podcast Network on Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠1517 on Youtube⁠ More from Kelsi: ⁠Kelsi Klembara⁠ ⁠ Follow Kelsi on Instagram⁠ ⁠Follow Kelsi on Twitter⁠ ⁠Kelsi's Newsletter⁠ Subscribe to the Show: ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠ ⁠Spotify⁠ ⁠Youtube⁠ More from Ian: Order Walking through Deconstruction Ian's Substack Follow Ian on Instagram