

devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development
Andrew Lisowski, Justin Bennett
A podcast about developer tools and the people who make them. Join us as we embark on a journey to explore modern developer tooling and interview the people who make it possible.
We love talking to the creators front-end frameworks (React, Solid, Svelte, Vue, Angular, etc), JavaScript and TypeScript runtimes (Node, Deno, Bun), Languages (Unison, Elixor, Rust, Zig), web tech (WASM, Web Containers, WebGPU, WebGL), database providers (Turso, Planetscale, Supabase, EdgeDB), and platforms (SST, AWS, Vercel, Netlify, Fly.io).
We love talking to the creators front-end frameworks (React, Solid, Svelte, Vue, Angular, etc), JavaScript and TypeScript runtimes (Node, Deno, Bun), Languages (Unison, Elixor, Rust, Zig), web tech (WASM, Web Containers, WebGPU, WebGL), database providers (Turso, Planetscale, Supabase, EdgeDB), and platforms (SST, AWS, Vercel, Netlify, Fly.io).
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29 snips
Mar 24, 2025 • 54min
Antonio Scandurra - Atom, Zed and the Future of Text Editors
Antonio Scandurra, co-founder of Zed and former core contributor to Atom, shares his journey through text editor development. He highlights the evolution from Atom to the Rust-based Zed, emphasizing its performance and collaborative features. The conversation dives into Zed's innovative data structures, like the sum tree, and the significance of a custom UI framework. Scandurra also discusses integrating AI into text editors while maintaining simplicity, envisioning a future where collaboration and intelligent features redefine coding experiences.

Mar 17, 2025 • 54min
Simen Svale - sanity.io
Simen Svale, Co-founder and CTO of Sanity.io, shares insights on building a developer-first content platform. He discusses his transition from agency work to creating a scalable CMS that prioritizes developer experience. The conversation explores Sanity's innovative features like Portable Text, a structured text format, and GROQ, a unique query language. Simen also talks about AI-assisted authoring in Sanity Create and future plans for richer automation and enhanced content workflows, aimed at revolutionizing content management.

5 snips
Mar 10, 2025 • 53min
Charles Lowell - Frontside, Effection, and Structured Concurrency
In this discussion, Charles Lowell, a developer and consultant known for the Effection library, dives into structured concurrency in JavaScript. He breaks down how structured concurrency can solve the limitations of promises and improves resource management. The conversation includes insights into enhancing developer experience with tools like Backstage and the significance of 'affection' in managing concurrent operations. Lowell also touches on debugging challenges and the forthcoming V4 release, emphasizing community engagement in JavaScript asynchrony.

14 snips
Mar 3, 2025 • 54min
Josh Comeau - Creating Delightful Developer Education
Join Josh Comeau, a developer and educator known for his engaging interactive courses on CSS, React, and JavaScript. He shares his journey from developer to educator, emphasizing the evolution of AI tools like GitHub Copilot in making coding more intuitive. Explore how multi-sensory design can enhance web experiences, and get insights on his new React course aimed at junior developers. Josh discusses the critical role of human guidance in the face of AI advancements, ensuring thoughtful use of technology in education.

9 snips
Feb 17, 2025 • 57min
David Blass, - ArkType, better runtime type validation
David Blass, creator of ArkType, dives into the world of TypeScript and runtime validation. He discusses ArkType's unique native syntax and set-based type system that offers optimized performance. David explores technical challenges in developing robust APIs inspired by TypeScript principles. The conversation also touches on enhancing type inference and improving JSON validation performance. He emphasizes the need for clear error messaging and innovative solutions to simplify complexities in type validation, making development smoother and more efficient.

61 snips
Feb 11, 2025 • 47min
Aaron Boodman - Replicache and Zero, Building Sync Engines for the Web
In this conversation, Aaron Boodman, founder of Rocicorp and a web development veteran from Google, unveils the intricacies of creating sync engines. He discusses how Zero enhances user experience in multi-user environments. Aaron dives into advancements in partial sync, rethinking query languages, and the revolutionary features of Xero, including custom mutators. The dialogue also touches on the evolution of state management challenges in client-server architectures, emphasizing the need for robust solutions to navigate data synchronization complexities.

6 snips
Feb 3, 2025 • 60min
Ryan Carniato - SolidJS, Marko.js, and the Future of Frontend Development
Ryan Carniato, creator of SolidJS, a cutting-edge frontend framework, dives into the evolution of web development. He shares his journey back to JavaScript and critiques the rise of frameworks like React, revealing how SolidJS emerged as a performance-driven alternative. The conversation highlights rendering differences and optimizations in component models, along with the transition challenges from Marko 3 to Marko 4. Ryan also discusses React's ongoing dominance and its implications for developers navigating new technologies.

21 snips
Jan 27, 2025 • 41min
Jeff Dickey - Mise, Usage, and Pitchfork and the Future of Polyglot Tools
Jeff Dickey, creator of tools like Mise, Usage, and Pitchfork, discusses ways to streamline developer productivity through innovative solutions. He shares insights on Oaklift’s on-demand command loading and how it surpasses traditional Node.js frameworks. The conversation covers best practices for creating intuitive command-line interfaces and the crucial role of user-friendly documentation. Jeff also dives into Mies, a Rust-based version manager promising improved efficiency and security, and Pitchfork, aimed at simplifying daemon management across programming environments.

Jan 20, 2025 • 57min
Artem Zakharchenko - Mock Service Worker
Artem Zakharchenko, creator of the Mock Service Worker (MSW) and developer educator at Epic Web Dev, discusses the evolution and capabilities of MSW, a library for mocking network requests. He dives into the complexities of mocking in software testing and shares advanced techniques for enhancing Node.js testing. Artem highlights the importance of adaptability in testing frameworks and previews exciting future innovations, particularly regarding cross-process interception for improved JavaScript application testing.

13 snips
Jan 13, 2025 • 55min
Darcy Clarke - npm, vlt and the Future of JavaScript Package Management
Darcy Clarke, CEO and founder of Vault, shares his extensive experience from npm and GitHub. He dives into the future of JavaScript package management, highlighting the innovative VLT package manager designed to enhance developer efficiency. The conversation explores groundbreaking tools for visualizing dependencies, the necessity of security in package management, and the push for community-driven solutions. Clarke emphasizes how VLT aims to disrupt traditional systems, all while fostering a robust and sustainable ecosystem for developers.