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Resources for the Future
Resources Radio is a weekly podcast by Resources for the Future. Each week we talk to leading experts about climate change, electricity, ecosystems, and more, making the latest research accessible to everyone.
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Dec 5, 2022 • 35min
Understanding Water and Energy in the Navajo Nation, with Andrew Curley
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Andrew Curley, an assistant professor at the University of Arizona and a member of the Navajo Nation. Curley works on how Native nations and the US government manage water and energy resources in a complex social, political, and geographic landscape. Curley and Raimi discuss water and energy issues in the Navajo Nation where Andrew lives, and how history, politics, economics, and social factors affect the decisions that relate to the governance of these essential resources.
References and recommendations:
“Our Winters’ Rights: Challenging Colonial Water Laws” by Andrew Curley; https://direct.mit.edu/glep/article/19/3/57/14963/Our-Winters-Rights-Challenging-Colonial-Water-Laws
“Floating Coast: An Environmental History of the Bering Strait” by Bathsheba Demuth; https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393635164
“Carbon Technocracy: Energy Regimes in Modern East Asia” by Victor Seow; https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo116278398.html

Dec 4, 2022 • 25min
Wildfires: Burning through State Budgets, with Colin Foard
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Colin Foard, a manager at the Pew Charitable Trusts, about a new report that documents how efforts to reduce wildfire risks are stressing state budgets. Foard and Hayes acknowledge that figuring out how to pay for wildfire mitigation and recovery is critical for many levels of government; discuss how local, state, and federal governments collaborate on wildfire suppression; and walk through recommendations for reducing the costs of wildfire management.
References and recommendations:
“Wildfires: Burning through State Budgets” from the Pew Charitable Trusts; https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/reports/2022/11/wildfires-burning-through-state-budgets
“Disaster Recovery: Actions Needed to Improve the Federal Approach” from the US Government Accountability Office; https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-104956
“Highlights Hello” magazine; https://www.nappaawards.com/product/highlights-hello-magazine-by-highlights-for-children/

Nov 28, 2022 • 33min
Overcoming the Obstacles in the Mid-Transition to Clean Energy, with Emily Grubert
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks about the clean energy transition with Emily Grubert, an associate professor of sustainable energy policy at the University of Notre Dame. Grubert discusses challenges associated with the “mid-transition,” a period of the clean energy transition when both fossil fuels and clean energy infrastructure may be necessary. Grubert and Raimi examine the investments, policies, and communication strategies that could help maintain a reliable and affordable energy system during the tricky mid-transition period.
References and recommendations:
“Designing the mid-transition: A review of medium-term challenges for coordinated decarbonization in the United States” by Emily Grubert and Sara Hastings-Simon; https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/wcc.768
“Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago” by Eric Klinenberg; https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/H/bo20809880.html

Nov 19, 2022 • 32min
One Rural Community’s Uncertain Energy Future, with Kelli Roemer
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Kelli Roemer, a PhD candidate in earth sciences at Montana State University. Roemer discusses a small town in Montana called Colstrip, which historically has been dependent on coal mining and coal-fired power generation. Their conversation examines the importance of the local coal industry to Colstrip’s community and how local stakeholders are planning for the possible closure of the Rosebud Mine and power plant in Colstrip.
References and recommendations:
“The energy transition as fiscal rupture: Public services and resilience pathways in a coal company town” by Kelli F. Roemer and Julia H. Haggerty; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2214629622002560
“Coal Communities in Transition: A Case Study of Colstrip, Montana” by Kelli Roemer, Daniel Raimi, and Rebecca Glaser; https://www.rff.org/publications/reports/coal-communities-in-transition-a-case-study-of-colstrip-montana/
“Richest Hill” podcast; https://www.npr.org/podcasts/689406568/richest-hill
“Fireline” podcast; https://www.npr.org/podcasts/975478087/fireline

Nov 14, 2022 • 31min
Fostering the Forest Economy in the United States, with James Boyd
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with James Boyd, a senior fellow at Resources for the Future, about the implications of recent private-sector and government investments in US forests for wildlife management, forest products markets, and forest conservation efforts. Boyd examines how these investments could affect wildfire risk, communities that rely on nearby forests, and the scale at which forests can store carbon dioxide.
References and recommendations:
“Aubrey-Maturin series” of nautical historical novels; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey%E2%80%93Maturin_series
“Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World” film; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0311113/

Oct 29, 2022 • 21min
Choking on Wildfire Smoke: Quantifying Its Effects on Air Pollution, with Marissa Childs
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Marissa Childs, a postdoctoral fellow at the Harvard University Center for the Environment, about a recently published study that explores the prevalence and dangers of wildfire smoke in the United States. Childs discusses changes in the location and frequency of wildfire smoke, the degree to which increased prevalence of air pollution can be attributed to wildfire smoke, and the disproportionate effect of wildfire smoke on certain groups of people.
References and recommendations:
“Daily Local-Level Estimates of Ambient Wildfire Smoke PM2.5 for the Contiguous US” by Marissa L. Childs, Jessica Li, Jeffrey Wen, Sam Heft-Neal, Anne Driscoll, Sherrie Wang, Carlos F. Gould, Minghao Qiu, Jennifer Burney, and Marshall Burke; https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.2c02934
“All We Can Save: Truth, Courage, and Solutions for the Climate Crisis” edited by Ayana Elizabeth Johnson and Katharine K. Wilkinson; https://www.allwecansave.earth/anthology

Oct 23, 2022 • 31min
Integrating Nature into US Economic Statistics, with Eli Fenichel
This week, podcast co-host Margaret Walls joins Resources Radio for her first episode, with guest Eli Fenichel, the Assistant Director for Natural Resource Economics and Accounting in the Office of Science and Technology Policy at the White House. Fenichel and Walls discuss the recently announced plan from the Biden-Harris administration to integrate the value of natural resources and the environment with measurements of the national economy, such as GDP.
References and recommendations:
“National Strategy to Develop Statistics for Environmental-Economic Decisions: A US System of Natural Capital Accounting and Associated Environmental-Economic Statistics” from the Office of Science and Technology Policy, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Department of Commerce; https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Natural-Capital-Accounting-Strategy.pdf
“This Explains Everything” by John Brockman; https://www.harpercollins.com/products/this-explains-everything-john-brockman

Oct 15, 2022 • 32min
A Funder’s View on Energy and the Environment, with Evan Michelson
This week, host Kristin Hayes talks with Evan Michelson, a program director at the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation who oversees the foundation’s energy and environment program. They discuss the world of energy and environmental research from a funder’s perspective: how philanthropies set funding priorities, how the world of environmental philanthropy has evolved, and why research matters.
References and recommendations:
“Philanthropy and the Future of Science and Technology” by Evan S. Michelson; https://www.routledge.com/Philanthropy-and-the-Future-of-Science-and-Technology/Michelson/p/book/9780367498832
“The Genesis of Technoscientific Revolutions: Rethinking the Nature and Nurture of Research” by Venkatesh Narayanamurti and Jeffrey Y. Tsao; https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674251854

Oct 10, 2022 • 31min
Getting to a Net-Zero Resilient Economy, with Billy Pizer
This week, host Daniel Raimi talks with Billy Pizer, the vice president for research and policy engagement at Resources for the Future, about getting to a net-zero resilient economy. Pizer discusses the meaning of “net-zero resilient economy,” the existing suite of global net-zero goals and pledges, and how recent federal policy has moved the United States closer to its net-zero goals. Pizer and Raimi also talk about barriers to achieving a net-zero future, including the potential tension between reducing emissions deeply and reducing emissions quickly.
References and recommendations:
Net-Zero Economy Summit from Resources for the Future; https://www.rff.org/events/conferences/net-zero-economy-summit/
“US Federal Government Subsidies for Clean Energy: Design Choices and Implications” by Richard G. Newell, Billy Pizer, and Daniel Raimi; https://www.rff.org/publications/journal-articles/us-federal-government-subsidies-clean-energy-design-choices-and-implications/
“Inflation Reduction Act: Electric Vehicle Subsidies for Passenger Vehicles” by Beia Spiller; https://www.resources.org/common-resources/inflation-reduction-act-electric-vehicle-subsidies-for-passenger-vehicles/
Climate Action Tracker; https://climateactiontracker.org/
“The Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal” by George Packer; https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374603663/lastbesthope

Oct 3, 2022 • 36min
A Global Look at Urban Air Quality, with Pallavi Pant
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks about air pollution with Pallavi Pant, the head of global health at the Health Effects Institute. Pant discusses a new study that explores the prevalence of fine particulate matter and nitrogen dioxide pollution in more than 7,000 cities worldwide. Pant and Hayes also delve into the health effects of air pollution, trends in urban air quality in regions around the world, and how the COVID-19 pandemic has impacted air quality.
References and recommendations:
“Air Quality and Health in Cities: A State of Global Air Report” from the Health Effects Institute; https://www.stateofglobalair.org/resources/health-in-cities
“Agents of Change in Environmental Justice” podcast; https://agentsofchangeinej.org/podcast/


