Shocked
UChicago Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, Michael Greenstone, Amy Harder
Are you tired of the same climate and energy stories? A warmer world is here. We’re living with it. Now what? Will countries ever stop burning fossil fuels? Should we use less energy? Can we adapt to a warmer world? What will it cost? Sometimes, we need to start by reexamining things we thought we knew.
Axios journalist Amy Harder and University of Chicago economist Michael Greenstone share new ways of thinking about the challenge from people on the frontlines as well as cutting-edge solutions — like changing the earth’s atmosphere, making batteries out of sodium and using artificial intelligence to predict the weather. Listen to learn about energy, climate, and the shocking ideas that will change your perspective.
Axios journalist Amy Harder and University of Chicago economist Michael Greenstone share new ways of thinking about the challenge from people on the frontlines as well as cutting-edge solutions — like changing the earth’s atmosphere, making batteries out of sodium and using artificial intelligence to predict the weather. Listen to learn about energy, climate, and the shocking ideas that will change your perspective.
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Sep 22, 2025 • 37min
Climate Disinformation
Bob Inglis, a former Republican congressman and conservative climate advocate, reflects on his journey of promoting climate action within his party, despite the political backlash he faced. John Cook, a researcher on climate misinformation, reveals how fossil fuel companies have intentionally spread doubt about climate science. They discuss the psychological and political barriers to climate policy, dissecting disinformation tactics that undermine public consensus. The conversation highlights the urgent need for framing climate solutions in ways that resonate with conservative values.
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Sep 15, 2025 • 34min
Bad Energy
Air conditioning has evolved from luxury to necessity in our warming world, raising vital discussions about energy consumption. The podcast dives into the vital role of data centers in supporting AI and their hefty energy demands. It critiques the extravagant energy use of entertainment venues like the Sphere in Las Vegas, questioning sustainability efforts. The conversation emphasizes the connection between energy choices and climate change, exploring renewable energy laws and personal actions versus systemic changes to address environmental impacts.
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Sep 8, 2025 • 37min
Unintended Consequences
Jade Begay, a climate justice advocate from Taos Pueblo, and Ryan Kellogg, an environmental economist, dive into the complex dynamics of oil pipelines and climate action. They discuss the significance of the Standing Rock protests and the unintended consequences of blocking pipelines. Ryan shares insights into the economics of oil transport and how blocking the Dakota Access Pipeline might have led to more rail transport, raising safety and pollution concerns. Jade emphasizes the importance of balancing tribal sovereignty with renewable energy transitions.
Jul 31, 2025 • 3min
A warmer world is here. Now what?
Are you tired of the same climate and energy stories? A warmer world is here. We’re living with it. Now what? Will countries ever stop burning fossil fuels? Should we use less energy? Can we adapt to a warmer world? What will it cost? Sometimes, we need to start by reexamining things we thought we knew.
Shocked is part of the University of Chicago Podcast Network and produced by Magnificent Noise for the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth, which combines a 360-degree approach to education with frontier research having an impact in front-line communities globally. The Institute’s efforts are driven by the need to balance climate risks with societal growth. To follow or support their work, see our show notes or visit climate.uchicago.eduAmy Harder is the host, along with co-host, Michael Greenstone, a professor at the University of Chicago and director of the Institute for Climate and Sustainable Growth. Our executive producers are Eric Nuzum, Michael Greenstone, and Sam Ori. Our production staff includes Christine Driscoll, Amy Pedulla, Sophie Bridges, Jamie York, and Samantha Henig. Our sound designer is Kristen Mueller. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
