Shocked Unintended Consequences
Nov 24, 2025
Jade Begay, a climate justice advocate from Taos Pueblo, and Ryan Kellogg, an environmental economist, dive into the complex dynamics of oil pipelines and climate action. They discuss the significance of the Standing Rock protests and the unintended consequences of blocking pipelines. Ryan shares insights into the economics of oil transport and how blocking the Dakota Access Pipeline might have led to more rail transport, raising safety and pollution concerns. Jade emphasizes the importance of balancing tribal sovereignty with renewable energy transitions.
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Standing Rock Becomes A Mass Movement
- Jade Begay described the Standing Rock encampment growing from youth runners into the largest gathering of Native Americans in living memory.
- Protesters called themselves water protectors and mobilized against the Dakota Access Pipeline to defend sacred land and water.
Two Fundamental Climate Strategies
- The episode frames two strategies to cut oil emissions: restrict supply or reduce demand.
- Restricting pipelines targets supply while electrification and efficiency target demand.
From BP Engineer To Pipeline Researcher
- Ryan Kellogg recounted his path from chemical engineer in Houston to economist studying pipelines and the Bakken fracking boom.
- He used that industry experience to question what would happen if the Dakota Access Pipeline had been blocked.