
ReFi Podcast
The regenerative finance (ReFi) movement in web3 offers hope to both the climate conscious and the crypto-curious. At the intersection of these two unlikely worlds lies an ecosystem of innovation answering "How do we redesign money and heal the earth?"
Latest episodes

Aug 2, 2022 • 57min
Welcome to Season Two
We kick-off season two by welcoming Simar, founding partner of Magic Ventures as a new host on the show! He shares his story and ReFi journey so far. We discuss the challenges and exciting solutions we have encountered whilst carving out this new collaborative community...
Some of the topics we jump into:
00:00 Introduction
03:52 Simar's story
11:05 Boundaries of the past
13:30 A platform for all
14:47 Ecosystem mindset
18:37 Tribalism in ReFi
26:00 Web3, a piece of the puzzle
30:00 Culture of collaboration
34:20 Magic Ventures
39:10 Climate needs capital
47:20 Net zero
49:33 Changes is non-linear
51:25 Welcome to ReFi
52:14 Season two
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Connect with Simar and check out Magic Ventures:
https://twitter.com/simarsmangat
https://magic.vc
https://twitter.com/magicventures11
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Join the conversation on Twitter, follow:
https://twitter.com/ReFiDAOist
https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
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Feb 24, 2022 • 1h 28min
Episode 3: Scaling Forestry with Open Forest Protocol
On the third episode of ReFi Podcast, we sit with Michael Kelly & Fred Fournier from Open Forest Protocol. Discussing the new and emerging technologies they are pioneering to overcome the hurdles of MRV (Measurement, reporting and verification) of forestry projects.
Some of the topics we jump into:
- How did OFP start? 01:07
- It's a collaborative space 06:30
- Overview of OFP 07:16
- Are there third party registries that act in this system? 12:00
- What's been your experience engaging with smaller and medium scale projects? 15:13
- The economic model: What are the economic incentives for people to use your protocol? 19:30
- Validators policing against the chance of any anomalous activity 24:00
- How do you see the potential land to be forested and economic opportunity? 27:23
- The capacity to tokenize natural capital 30:48
- The trade-off between data storage and resource constrained blockchain environments 33:10
- The scope for new partners to learn the system from MRV to Blockchain and beyond 41:10
- How does your annual validating check-in help with the capital flow? 43:19
- Does OFP produce carbon credit tokens that we can buy? 50:35
- Is there a risk of double accounting? 55:30
- The 2 pronged "Collateral Area" system of validation 58:30
- Addressing the oracle problem, bringing true information on to the blockchain 01:07:40
- What can the ReFi community do to help the cause? 01:11:57
- The experience of building the OFP community 01:16:12
- Reaching out to indigenous people and inviting them to participate in the system 01:20:27
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Feb 12, 2022 • 1h 33min
Episode 1: Welcome to The ReFi Podcast
Welcome to the first episode of the ReFi Podcast! In it we give a quick background about ourselves and jump straight into:
- The empirical basis for climate change
- What is web3?
- What is ReFi?
After listening to this initial episode you should debunk the myth that crypto is bad for the planet and recognize that there are incredibly powerful tools in web3 that can be used to scale meaningful climate action.

Feb 3, 2022 • 2min
Trailer: ReFi Podcast Season One
Introducing the ReFi Podcast - A series of conversations with luminaries working at the forefront of the regenerative finance movement - reinventing money to address the climate crisis at scale. John E, John X, and friends make sense of the people, technology, and ideas that will propel humanity forward.
John Ellison is a a social entrepreneur and behavior designer exploring how to best fight the climate crisis.
johnx25bd is helping build a brighter future for humanity, focused on emerging technologies including consensus networks, smart contracts, and spatial and location data.