
ReFi Podcast
The regenerative finance (ReFi) movement in web3 offers hope to both the climate conscious and the crypto-curious. At the intersection of these two unlikely worlds lies an ecosystem of innovation answering "How do we redesign money and heal the earth?"
Latest episodes

Oct 21, 2024 • 59min
Investing in Forests with Pete Corke | S4E5: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode of the ReFi podcast, hosts Maya and Tereza interview Pete Corke, a regenerative innovator and visionary behind the indigenous-led project Kwaxala. The discussion focuses on transitioning from extractive to regenerative economies, specifically in the context of British Columbia's rainforests. Pete shares how Kwaxala aims to replace logging rights with the right to regenerate, creating economic structures that recognize and prioritize Indigenous land rights. The episode delves into the challenges of implementing this revolutionary business model, including legal and systemic barriers, and highlights the need for collaboration in the regenerative finance community. Pete emphasizes the importance of valuing and holding natural assets while connecting with native communities and using innovative financing mechanisms like protected forest shares and eco credits.
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👉 Kwaxala’s Website: http://www.kwaxala.com/
👉 Pete's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pete-corke-82063a3/ 👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova
👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel
00:00 Introduction to Regenerative Economy
00:35 Meet Pete Corke: Visionary Behind Kwaxala
01:58 Pete's Journey into Regenerative Finance
04:00 Understanding the Threats to British Columbia's Forests
05:46 The Economic Structure of Extractive Rights
09:16 Creating a Regenerative Economy
09:35 The Role of Indigenous Land Title Holders
16:42 The Century Protocol: Quantifying Ecological Value
19:40 Scaling Regenerative Forestry
24:40 Partnership with Indigenous Nations
31:05 Legislative Achievements in Biodiversity Restoration
31:52 Challenges with Indigenous Relationships and Venture Funding
32:40 Philanthropic Funding and Government Collaboration
34:01 Economic Models for Conservation
35:38 Carbon Credits vs. Premium Eco Credits
36:59 Ecological Benefits Framework (EBF)
37:58 The Role of Web3 in Carbon Offsets
42:31 Tech Stack and Future Plans
46:46 Advice for the ReFi Community
47:28 The Bigger Picture: Regenerative vs. Extractive Economies
55:47 Rapid Fire Questions

Oct 7, 2024 • 49min
Ecoweaving with Tony Lai | S4E4: Regeneration Nexus
In this final episode of the economic and systems thinking mini-series on the refi podcast, Tony Lai, co-steward of Mother Tree Labs and fellow at Stanford's Codex, joins Maya and Tereza to explore the intersection of computational law, commons governance, and ecological transition. Tony offers insights into creating mindful economies and shares personal tips for regeneration. The conversation covers institutional versus extitutional approaches to governance, the role of computational law in regenerative systems, and the importance of community-driven initiatives. Tony shares experiences from New Zealand's legal personhood for nature and discusses the development of Mother Tree Labs in nurturing regenerative communities. Key themes include the role of mythmaking, storytelling, and community in reshaping legal frameworks and economic systems. Tony emphasizes the importance of attunement practices for personal and relational growth, offering a unique blend of law, music, and community engagement to foster a regenerative future.
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👉 Tony's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tonyklai/
👉 Tony's X: https://x.com/lai
👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova
👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel
00:00 Introduction to the ReFi Podcast
01:22 Welcoming Tony Lai
04:34 Tony's Background and Journey
09:09 The Role of Law in Regenerative Systems
15:29 Academia and Computational Law
22:42 Mother Tree Labs and Mythology
28:23 Regenerative Finance Explained
33:02 Surprising Insights from New Zealand
38:18 Extitutional Theory and Community Governance
43:19 Personal and Relational Regeneration
46:49 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion

Sep 30, 2024 • 43min
Democracy, Technology, and Plurality with Glen Weyl | S4E3: Regeneration Nexus
In this episode, we delve into a conversation with Glen Weyl, a political economist, researcher at Microsoft Research, and founder of Radical Exchange. Glen discusses his work on innovative economic models and digital democracy, emphasizing the need to convert social media anger into productive policy proposals. The dialogue explores the evolution of democracy and technology, illustrated by examples from Taiwan's GovZero and the system of Polis for reducing polarization. Glen also shares insights from his books, Radical Markets and Plurality, and reflects on the intersections of technology, democracy, and spirituality. Addressing the challenges in the U.S. political climate, Glen outlines potential solutions for increasing civic engagement and reducing polarization, and offers his perspective on the role of blockchain and other technologies in fostering sustainable communities.
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👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist
👉 Glen’s Website: https://glenweyl.com
👉 Glen's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eglenweyl/
👉 Glen's X: https://x.com/glenweyl
👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova
👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel
00:00 Introduction to Social Media and Anger
00:39 Guest Introduction: Glen Weyl
01:24 Key Takeaways and Episode Overview
01:51 Diving into Glen's Work and Views
02:16 Challenges in Democracy and Technology
06:27 ExploringTaiwan's Digital Democracy
09:04 Polis and Depolarization Mechanisms
15:54 Conflict and Polarization in Society
17:27 Local Strategies for Rebuilding Connection
18:42 Anonymity and Identity in Digital Spaces
20:46 Environmental Coordination and Blockchain
24:14 Refi Community and Blockchain Critique
29:32 Quadratic Voting and Its Applications
33:46 Open Source Book and Plurality
36:27 Future Projects and Personal Insights
37:33 Religion, Technology, and Personal Growth
41:19 Rapid Fire Questions and Conclusion

Sep 23, 2024 • 54min
The Foundations of Regenerative Economics with John Fullerton | S4E2: Regeneration Nexus
John Fullerton, an unconventional economist and founder of the Capital Institute, shares his journey from Wall Street to advocating for regenerative economics. He discusses the flaws of traditional economic systems and emphasizes the need for a paradigm shift towards holistic, sustainable practices. Fullerton explores the potential of cryptocurrencies and blockchain technology to foster a resilient economy. He also highlights the importance of aligning business models with living systems principles to create enduring positive change.

Sep 16, 2024 • 53min
Bioregional Finance with Samantha Power | S4E1: Regeneration Nexus
In the first episode of Season Four of the ReFi Podcast “The Regeneration Nexus,” hosts Maya and Tereza interview Samantha Power, a regenerative economist, futurist, bioregionalist, and co-founder of the BioFi Project. Samantha discusses her new book, 'Bioregional Finance and Facilities: Reimagining Finance to Regenerate Our Planet,' and delves into the concepts of bioregionalism and decentralized technology to foster place-based approaches for ecological and cultural regeneration. She outlines the idea of bioregional financing facilities (BFFs) and their potential to decentralize financial governance, organize synergistic portfolios of projects, and catalyze the transition to regenerative economies. They also discuss innovative mechanisms such as eco-credits, nature-based currencies, and web3 technologies as tools to support these goals.
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ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist
Samantha's LinkedIn profile is here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthapower/
BioFi Project: https://www.biofi.earth
Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova
Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel
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https://giveth.io/project/refi-podcast-season-4-the-regeneration-nexus
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Regeneration Nexus Podcast
01:26 Meet Samantha Power: Regenerative Economist
02:12 The Bigger Picture: Traditional Systems and Ecological Harm
06:04 Defining Regenerative Economy
12:07 Bioregional Financing Facilities Explained
16:30 The Role of Bioregions in Regeneration
38:05 Innovative Financial Mechanisms and Web3 Technologies
46:17 Future of Bioregional Financing Facilities
50:23 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

Jul 18, 2024 • 59min
ReFi Medellín with Tereza Bízková and Juan Giraldo | S3 BONUS episode
In this bonus episode of the ReFi Podcast, John Ellison sits down with the new co-hosts of season 4, Maya Dentzel and Tereza Bízková, along with her colleague Juan Giraldo from ReFi Medellín, ReFi DAO’s local node. They discuss the incredible work being done in Medellín, Colombia, to drive the Web3 movement through community events and sustainable practices.
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👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist
👉 John Ellison’s X profile: https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
👉 ReFi Podcast's Giveth grant: https://giveth.io/project/refi-podcast-season-4-the-regeneration-nexus
👉 ReFi Medellín's Giveth grant: https://giveth.io/project/refi-medellin
👉 Juan's X profile is here: https://x.com/0xj4an
👉 Tereza's X profile: https://x.com/TerezaBizkova
👉 Maya's X: https://x.com/mayazdentzel
Timestamps:
00:26 Welcome to ReFi Podcast
01:57 Meet the Hosts and Guests
03:22 Vision for ReFi Podcast Season Four
05:30 The Story of ReFi Medellin
06:51 Personal Journeys into ReFi
08:10 Community Engagement and Events
12:56 Challenges and Solutions in ReFi Medellin
22:09 Innovative Onboarding Strategies
25:23 Micro Lending and Financial Inclusion
30:51 Demographics of ReFi Medellin Local Node
32:00 Fundraising and Key Metrics
34:19 Fundraising Strategies and Marketing
41:05 Team Dynamics and Lessons Learned
44:06 Governance and Decision Making
46:16 Expansion of Local Nodes in Colombia
50:55 Future Projects and Vision
54:11 Getting Involved and Final Reflections

Apr 26, 2024 • 1h 7min
The Next Wave of ReFi Is Here! │ Season 3 Episode 25 🎧
In this insightful episode, join host John Ellison as he delves deep into the regenerative finance (ReFi) movement, exploring its intersection with climate action and Web 3 technology.
John shares his gratitude for the journey so far and his excitement for what lies ahead. We start with a retrospective look at the progress and challenges faced by the ReFi community during the bear market of 2022 and 2023, highlighting projects that have successfully maintained momentum.
As we move into 2024 and beyond, our host discusses the emerging surge of interest and enthusiasm that is shaping the future of ReFi. This episode also covers the significant shifts in the mainstream acceptance of digital assets, including Bitcoin ETFs and the anticipation of Ethereum ETFs, which are likely to introduce a cascade of new financial instruments.Furthermore, John shares personal reflections from his recent mini-sabbatical, offering insights gained from time spent in nature and conversations with diverse leaders outside the traditional ReFi space.
Key narratives expected to drive the ReFi movement towards greater impact and adoption are introduced, along with core concepts that underpin the movement. For newcomers and OGs alike, this episode provides valuable ideas and insights to deepen engagement with ReFi. Don’t miss this comprehensive analysis of where ReFi stands today and its promising direction forward.
A special thanks to Marcio Vilela for the beautiful art photography on the wall from his Superflora collection in the Amazon.
Time Stamps:
[00:00:00] Teaser
[00:01:08] Introduction
[00:02:23] A Token Of Gratitude
[00:03:11] The First Wave of ReFi
[00:06:30] Reality and The State Of Our Nervous System
[00:11:57] Top Level Narratives
[00:12:20] ReFi Is Not Just About Web3
[00:14:16] Moving Beyond Carbon
[00:16:43] Funding Public Goods
[00:19:04] Bringing Real World Assets On Chain
[00:20:23] Green Accountability
[00:23:47] Foundational Tech For ReFi
[00:24:25] Market Mechanisms
[00:26:00] Climate Data
[00:28:00] Registries
[00:31:15] Methodologies
[00:34:46] MRV and dMRV
[00:39:16] ReFi Marketplaces
[00:41:44] ReFi Exchanges
[00:45:00] What Will Make The Next Wave
[00:59:20] Social Coordination Vehicles
[01:01:45] The Evolution Of Funding Mechanisms
[01:02:25] Institutional Engagement
[01:04:00] Being Stewards of Regeneration}
#RegenerativeFinance
#ReFiMovement
#DigitalAssets
#ClimateAction
#Web3Innovation

Apr 4, 2024 • 1h 1min
neoslife with Vincent Daranyi | BONUS Episode
In this week’s episode of the ReFi Podcast, John is delighted to welcome his friend Vincent Daranyi, a former investment banker turned serial entrepreneur, to share his profound journey of self-discovery and his vision of neoslife—a 1,000 acre regenerative village just 75-minutes outside of Lisbon that offers an entirely new way of being.
Vincent has spent the last eight years diving deep into life's biggest questions and found a unique perspective on the role of awakening human consciousness in addressing the most pressing challenges of our time. In this conversation we get to hear about Vincent’s transition from working inside the world’s top financial institutions to the pursuit of a more meaningful and beautiful life.
He reveals his latest ambition to establish a regenerative village located just outside of Lisbon, which aims to serve as a model for the new world we’re all working to build together.
Vincent offers some unique and often radical insights on the intersection of spirituality and finance, his stance on the use of psychedelics, and his perspective on Bitcoin as the one currency above all others.
The conversation also delves into the essence of human energy and emotion, the process of awakening, and the vital role of community in driving the regenerative movement. Tune in for a journey that promises to challenge conventional thinking and inspire a collective effort towards regeneration.
Vincent’s journey is a fascinating microcosm of the broader regenerative movement as humanity discovers it’s rightful place as a part of nature and seeks to build new systems and social experiments that embody this deeper understanding of what it means to be human.
Learn more about Vincent neoslife and the upcoming retreat
👉 neoslife village: https://neos.life/
👉 Retreat application: ir.neoslife.com
👉 Vincent on LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentdaranyi/
👉 Vincent on Twitter: https://twitter.com/weareawakening1
👉 Vincent’s Substack: https://myawakening.substack.com/
Retreat in April: https://myawakening.substack.com/p/73-unleash-true-greatness
Connect with John and ReFi Podcast
👉 ReFi Podcast: https://twitter.com/ReFiPodcast👉 ReFi DAO: https://twitter.com/refidaoist👉 John Ellison on Twitter: https://twitter.com/climateXcrypto
👉 John Ellison on LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbellison/ Subscribe, like, and share!Timestamps :00:00: Intro00:31: Introduction to neoslife
01:21: Vincent's personal journey
02:23: Vision of a regenerative village and upcoming investor retreat.
03:34: Personal growth and community building.
05:24: Tour of the plot of land
05:34: Exploring the development process
10:04: Redesigning societal norms and financial systems.
12:10: Technology for positive impact and societal improvement.
29:17: Land development: hotel, retreat space, and well-being center.
29:59: Investor retreat and its objectives.
31:39: Flow states and aligning with the project's vision for investment.
49:16: Spiritual journey and views on psychedelics
49:57: Role of psychedelics as tools for awakening and healing
51:41: Integrating insights from psychedelic experiences into daily life.
55:08: Get involved
55:36: Invitation to participate in the investor retreat
59:27: Self-reflection and contemplation on personal purpose and expression.

Mar 27, 2024 • 1h 6min
Regenerative Leadership with Dom Francks from VIVIFY│ Season 3 Episode 24 🎧
In this week's episode of ReFi Podcast, host John Ellison dives deep into a conversation with Dom Francks, an executive leadership coach and wilderness guide with a profound commitment to combating the climate crisis through connection with nature. With a rich background that includes a Stanford education, a decade-long journey to becoming a professional golfer, and significant experience in the renewable energy sector, Dom has crafted a unique path that led him to become a guide for those looking to deepen their engagement with the environment and find their place in the regenerative transition.
Dom and John discuss the broader ecological challenges that would persist and the fundamental shift required in our relationship with nature.
We’d like to invite you to explore Dom's VIVIFY Regenerative Leadership Program, a unique retreat designed to connect leaders over a 12-week program with 8 days spent in the High Sierras. This immersive experience promises to deepen the connection to nature, oneself, and one's purpose in the fight against climate change.
This episode covers:
🌍 Exploring the urgent need for increased action on the climate crisis and the challenges that persist even with significant environmental improvements.
🚶♂️ Discussing the profound impact of reconnecting with nature on personal well-being and effectiveness in environmental advocacy.
🌲 Highlighting Dom Francks’ journey from Stanford graduate and professional golfer to becoming a dedicated executive coach and wilderness guide, aiming to support climate leaders through the VIVIFY Regenerative Leadership Program.
Time Stamps:
[00:00:00] Teaser
[00:00:48] Introduction
[00:02:52] Check-in with Dom
[00:04:22] Who Is Dom Francks?
[00:08:50] Working on the Climate Crisis
[00:12:45] Immersing People In Nature
[00:18:27] Our Separation From Nature
[00:22:35] The Nature Pyramid
[00:28:42] VIVIFY’s Regenerative Leadership Program
[00:35:40] Changes Taking Place
[00:44:30] Tools For Regenerative Leadership
[00:49:50] Long-Term Regenerative Livelihood
[00:59:20] Communities Building A Regenerative Way Of Life
[01:04:20] Getting Involved
A special thanks to Marcio Vilela for the beautiful art photography on the wall from his Superflora collection in the Amazon.
Hashtags: #Podcast, #ReFiPodcast, #RegenerativeFinance, #ClimateLeadership, #RegenerativeLiving, #NatureConnection, #EnvironmentalActivism, #SustainableFuture

Mar 9, 2024 • 1h 14min
CELO Public Goods Ecosystem with Luuk Weber and Monty Merlin │ Season 3 Episode 23 🎧
Welcome to another episode of the ReFi Podcast! Today, we're thrilled to feature Luuk Weber from Kolektivo and Monty Merlin from ReFi DAO, alongside seven other stewards who are making waves within the Celo community. This episode is a deep dive into their pioneering efforts to earmark a substantial amount of capital from the Celo Community Fund. The focus? Supporting the burgeoning ecosystem of public goods that are emerging as a cornerstone in the fight against climate change through regenerative economics in the digital realm.
🌱 What We Discuss:
The definition and importance of public goods, especially in the context of climate action.
How the emergence of regenerative economics translates into tangible impacts in the real world.
The role of blockchain and digital finance in addressing crucial issues like climate change, and social, and economic injustice.
A sneak peek into the origins of Ethereum, the hurdles of funding ecosystem development, and the broader implications for open-source software.
An exciting six-month initiative that has allocated over 1.7 million in cUSD and 700,000 in CELO to pilot this visionary project.