
The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you're passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.
Latest episodes

Apr 22, 2025 • 55min
From Builder to Orchestrator—Confronting the Software Engineer’s Identity Crisis
In this episode, host Simon Maple engages in a compelling discussion with Annie Vella, a skilled software engineer and manager, about the integration of AI into software development. Annie shares her insights on how AI tools are reshaping coding practices, the challenges engineers face in transitioning to management roles, and the skills required to thrive in this evolving landscape. This episode is crucial for anyone looking to understand the implications of AI in their work. Subscribe to the AI Native Developer podcast for more insights on AI and development.Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/GI2ywMl2gQk Read Annie's blog: https://annievella.com/posts/the-software-engineering-identity-crisis/Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

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Apr 15, 2025 • 29min
Is Code Dead & The $1B Solo Startup Myth - 5 AI Realities with Tessl's Guy Podjarny
In a captivating discussion, Tom Hulme from Google Ventures joins Guy Podjarny to explore the shift from code-centric to spec-centric software development. They delve into how generative AI is reshaping workflows, making processes more efficient. The duo also tackles the evolving landscape of startups, emphasizing the importance of long-term vision and user loyalty. They highlight the challenges posed by technical debt and the transformative role of large language models, painting an intriguing picture of the future of tech.

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Apr 9, 2025 • 31min
AI's Transformative Impact on Development with Alex Komorske
Join Alex Komoroske, a web platform development expert, as he explores AI's transformative power in tech. Discover how generative AI revolutionizes web apps, speeding up development and enhancing collaboration. Alex discusses AI's dual role in reducing mundane tasks while igniting human creativity, highlighting the mixed feelings developers have about this shift. He also examines the evolving landscape of micro apps and the importance of maintaining code quality, offering insights into AI's implications for the future of software development.

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Apr 1, 2025 • 60min
Datadog CEO Olivier Pomel on AI Security, Trust, and the Future of Observability
Olivier Pomel, CEO of Datadog, is a key figure in the observability space, overseeing the integration of AI in cloud computing. He shares insights on the evolution of observability and the security challenges faced by AI applications. The conversation dives into building trust in AI, highlighting the high expectations users place on accuracy. Pomel also discusses advancements in deep learning for anomaly detection and the importance of user-centric development in software. His expertise sheds light on navigating the complexities of AI's rapid evolution and its implications for organizations.

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Mar 26, 2025 • 45min
Intent-Driven Development: Insights from Patrick Debois
Patrick Debois, a DevOps pioneer known for his innovative approaches, dives into the future of software development alongside Simon Maple, an expert in Java and AI integration. They discuss the shift towards aligning development with business intentions for impactful outcomes. The conversation highlights the importance of creating clear specifications to bridge technical and non-technical teams while leveraging clean data to enhance decision-making. Emphasizing collaborative practices, they explore the evolving role of developers in an AI-driven landscape, promoting a culture of innovation.

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Mar 18, 2025 • 55min
How Attackers Trick AI: Lessons from Gandalf’s Creator
Explore the intriguing world of AI security as experts discuss the alarming vulnerabilities facing modern systems. Discover how attackers use techniques like prompt injections and jailbreaks to exploit AI models. Gain insights into Gandalf’s staggering 60M+ attack attempts, revealing urgent security challenges. Learn about the importance of red teaming and the Dynamic Security Utility Framework in preventing AI disasters. Dive into the balance between security and usability, and the dual role of AI in enhancing creativity while posing risks.

Mar 13, 2025 • 55min
AI Gone Rogue? LLM Werewolf Showdown
What happens when AI learns to lie? In this electrifying episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple is joined by the brilliant Macey Baker, Community Engineer at Tessl, to unravel the wild, unpredictable, and sometimes downright hilarious world of Large Language Models (LLMs) in social deception games.From the psychological mind games of Werewolf to the cutthroat negotiations of Split or Steal, Macey spills the details on how AI models like OpenAI’s GPT-4o, Anthropic’s Sonnet, Llama, and DeepSeek R1 navigate deception, trust, and ethics when the stakes are high. Can an AI manipulate, bluff, or betray? Which model is the sneakiest, and which one folds under pressure?Prepare for shocking twists, unexpected strategies, and an eye-opening look at the ethical implications of AI in interactive gameplay. This is one episode you won’t want to miss—especially if you think you can outwit an AI!Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9hVeVYlqyBcJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

Mar 10, 2025 • 42min
Monthly Roundup: AI Model Wars, GPT-4.5 vs. Sonnet 3.7, and the Future of AI Dev Tools
In this episode, Guy and Simon dive deep into February’s wave of AI model releases, focusing heavily on the showdown between OpenAI’s GPT-4.5 and Anthropic’s Sonnet 3.7. They discuss GPT-4.5's move toward higher emotional intelligence (EQ), how it compares with Claude, and whether it’s actually meeting developers' expectations—or falling short.Anthropic’s introduction of dynamic reasoning with Sonnet 3.7 gets special attention as Guy and Simon explore what this new feature means practically for developers, referencing Bolt.new’s recent implementation as an example. They also weigh the strategic choices these AI labs face—when to build tools themselves and when to act purely as platforms—highlighting the delicate balance companies like Anthropic and ElevenLabs must strike.The conversation also covers practical developer workflows, featuring insights from recent interviews with Farhath, who leverages multiple AI dev tools simultaneously, and Mati from ElevenLabs, who shares how his company navigates scaling and research while remaining nimble.Finally, Guy and Simon announce AI Native Dev Con: Spring 2025, and hint at exciting upcoming episodes, rounding out a packed discussion that goes straight to the heart of what matters for AI-native developers today.Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kjAs_isf-VsJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

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Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 3min
The Future of Audio AI: Insights from Mati Staniszewski of ElevenLabs
Mati Staniszewski, CEO and co-founder of ElevenLabs, shares his journey from frustration with poor dubbing to revolutionizing audio processing. He discusses the technical breakthroughs behind AI voices and the significance of emotional nuance in voice translation. Mati emphasizes the importance of user feedback, community involvement, and a unique decentralized company culture that fosters innovation. The conversation touches on the future of conversational AI and its potential applications in education and personalized learning, making it a treasure trove of insights for tech enthusiasts.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 36min
Building the Ultimate AI-Powered Development Environment with Farhath Razzaque
Farhath Razzaque, a freelance AI software engineer, shares his expertise on building effective AI-powered development environments. He discusses his personal development workflow, emphasizing the integration of AI tools like Cursor to boost productivity. Farhath explains how selecting the right AI models is crucial for specific projects and highlights the revival of hackathons, showcasing innovative uses of AI, such as an app for cataloging household items for insurance. His passion for AI reshapes how developers approach their craft.
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