The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
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Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you're passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.
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Sep 23, 2025 • 1h 2min
Can Agentic Engineering Really Deliver Enterprise-Grade Code? | Reuven Cohen
Reuven Cohen, founder of the Agentics Foundation and creator of Claude Flow, explores the transformative potential of agentic engineering. He reveals why 2025 is dubbed the 'Year of the Agent' and discusses how the discipline is evolving from niche to mainstream. The conversation dives into the challenges of AI-washing in big corporations, the intricate balance of speed, quality, and cost in agent-based development, and how community-driven efforts can safeguard innovation against corporate dominance.
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Sep 16, 2025 • 38min
Revolutionising Spec-Driven Development with Tessl’s Framework & Registry
Developers often spend more time fixing AI agent mistakes than creating features. Discover two groundbreaking tools from Tessl aimed at making specs the cornerstone of software development. Learn how a new dependency system for AI agents can streamline workflows and improve output validation. The hosts dive into the concept of 'vibe speccing' and the significance of community involvement in refining these innovations. Tune in for insights on navigating today's complexities in software development and the future of spec-driven practices.
Sep 9, 2025 • 1h 5min
The Man Behind World’s Largest Dev Con | Stephan & Devoxx
Stephan Janssen, the founder of Devoxx and JavaPolis, discusses the 'renaissance of development' shaped by AI-native workflows. He shares how vibe coding drastically reduces setup time and why 'spec to code' approaches improve outcomes. The conversation highlights the importance of AI tools for junior developers as universal tutors and the emergence of innovative agents set to dominate the Devoxx Belgium 2025 agenda. Janssen also explores the evolving role of tech conferences in today's AI landscape, emphasizing the need for balance between automation and robust specification.
Sep 2, 2025 • 57min
Is Your Team Ready for AI-Driven Modernization? | Birgitta Böckeler
Birgitta Böckeler, a Distinguished Engineer at ThoughtWorks and expert in AI-driven software development, shares her insights on legacy modernization. She discusses the limitations of relying solely on AI for code migration, emphasizing the need for proven engineering practices. The conversation addresses the evolving roles of developers as managers of AI workflows and the need for a disciplined approach to refactor instead of rewrite. Birgitta highlights the importance of balancing AI creativity with deterministic tools for successful legacy transitions.
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Aug 26, 2025 • 56min
Can AI Really Build Enterprise-Grade Software? | Maor Shlomo & Base44
Maor Shlomo, founder of Base44, discusses the revolution in software development using AI tools. He shares insights on simplifying tech stacks and the advantages of smaller, agile teams over larger ones. Their conversation dives into the importance of documentation in AI projects and the shift from traditional coding to user-friendly interfaces. Maor also highlights how AI enhances testing methodologies and anticipates the future trajectory of AI-driven software development. Prepare for a fascinating look at the intersection of AI and enterprise software!
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Aug 19, 2025 • 1h 10min
Transforming Dev Practices with Kiro’s Spec-Driven Tools | Nikhil and Richard
Nikhil Swaminathan, Head of Product at Kiro IDE, and Richard Threlkeld, Principal Engineer at Kiro IDE, dive into the realm of spec-driven development. They discuss how this methodology shifts focus from code writing to understanding system behavior, aiding in code maintenance. The duo emphasizes the importance of composable documents for better collaboration and refactoring. They also highlight the evolution of specifications, the role of AI in enhancing team communication, and the benefits of test-driven development in software projects.
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Aug 12, 2025 • 50min
Transforming Debugging and Root Cause Detection with Sentry | David Cramer
David Cramer, co-founder of Sentry, discusses innovations that help over 4 million developers ship software faster. He delves into the use of LLMs and how Sentry’s extensive app data network enhances debugging. David also touches on the emergence of tools like SEER for error detection and the challenges of managing complex data. He shares insights on modern coding practices, emphasizing the balance between automation and quality, while advocating for a proactive mindset to navigate evolving technologies.
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Aug 5, 2025 • 52min
Why Tracking AI Usage Drives Better Results | Justin Reock & DX
Justin Reock, CTO at DX and an expert in measuring AI’s impact on software engineering, joins the conversation to explore the intricacies of AI integration in development. He highlights the difference between meaningful adoption and simply following trends. Topics include the dual levers of velocity—quality and maintainability—how proper measurement can drive real results, and the significant boost AI brings to developer productivity across the software development lifecycle. Insights into effective metrics for AI usage also take center stage.
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Jul 29, 2025 • 34min
What Next Gen AI Infra, Voice and Video Looks Like | Datadog, Eleven Labs and Synthesia
Olivier Pomel, CEO of Datadog, shares insights on AI-driven observability and the challenges of accuracy in automated systems. Mati Staniszewski, CEO of ElevenLabs, discusses the hurdles in creating AI dubbing solutions and the technical breakthroughs that followed. Victor Riparbelli, CEO of Synthesia, reveals the early struggles of video generation and how they secured investment from Mark Cuban. The trio explores the emotional depth AI can add to digital content, emphasizing the transformative impact of these technologies on communication and user trust.
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Jul 22, 2025 • 37min
What If Fixing Code Wasn’t Your Job Anymore? | Jonathan Schneider & Moderne
Jonathan Schneider, co-founder and CEO of Moderne, shares insights on revolutionizing code refactoring. He discusses how teams leverage their rewrite engine to tackle technical debt directly and facilitate organizational change. The conversation dives into AI's role in code management, exposing the limits of LLMs and emphasizing the balance between automation and human oversight. Schneider reveals the transformative potential of using tools like Open Rewrite for code migration and highlights the importance of open-source integration in enhancing code analysis across projects.
