
The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you're passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.
Latest episodes

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Mar 26, 2025 • 45min
Intent-Driven Development: Insights from Patrick Debois
Patrick Debois, a DevOps pioneer known for his innovative approaches, dives into the future of software development alongside Simon Maple, an expert in Java and AI integration. They discuss the shift towards aligning development with business intentions for impactful outcomes. The conversation highlights the importance of creating clear specifications to bridge technical and non-technical teams while leveraging clean data to enhance decision-making. Emphasizing collaborative practices, they explore the evolving role of developers in an AI-driven landscape, promoting a culture of innovation.

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Mar 18, 2025 • 55min
How Attackers Trick AI: Lessons from Gandalf’s Creator
Explore the intriguing world of AI security as experts discuss the alarming vulnerabilities facing modern systems. Discover how attackers use techniques like prompt injections and jailbreaks to exploit AI models. Gain insights into Gandalf’s staggering 60M+ attack attempts, revealing urgent security challenges. Learn about the importance of red teaming and the Dynamic Security Utility Framework in preventing AI disasters. Dive into the balance between security and usability, and the dual role of AI in enhancing creativity while posing risks.

Mar 13, 2025 • 55min
AI Gone Rogue? LLM Werewolf Showdown
What happens when AI learns to lie? In this electrifying episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple is joined by the brilliant Macey Baker, Community Engineer at Tessl, to unravel the wild, unpredictable, and sometimes downright hilarious world of Large Language Models (LLMs) in social deception games.From the psychological mind games of Werewolf to the cutthroat negotiations of Split or Steal, Macey spills the details on how AI models like OpenAI’s GPT-4o, Anthropic’s Sonnet, Llama, and DeepSeek R1 navigate deception, trust, and ethics when the stakes are high. Can an AI manipulate, bluff, or betray? Which model is the sneakiest, and which one folds under pressure?Prepare for shocking twists, unexpected strategies, and an eye-opening look at the ethical implications of AI in interactive gameplay. This is one episode you won’t want to miss—especially if you think you can outwit an AI!Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/9hVeVYlqyBcJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

Mar 10, 2025 • 42min
Monthly Roundup: AI Model Wars, GPT-4.5 vs. Sonnet 3.7, and the Future of AI Dev Tools
In this episode, Guy and Simon dive deep into February’s wave of AI model releases, focusing heavily on the showdown between OpenAI’s GPT-4.5 and Anthropic’s Sonnet 3.7. They discuss GPT-4.5's move toward higher emotional intelligence (EQ), how it compares with Claude, and whether it’s actually meeting developers' expectations—or falling short.Anthropic’s introduction of dynamic reasoning with Sonnet 3.7 gets special attention as Guy and Simon explore what this new feature means practically for developers, referencing Bolt.new’s recent implementation as an example. They also weigh the strategic choices these AI labs face—when to build tools themselves and when to act purely as platforms—highlighting the delicate balance companies like Anthropic and ElevenLabs must strike.The conversation also covers practical developer workflows, featuring insights from recent interviews with Farhath, who leverages multiple AI dev tools simultaneously, and Mati from ElevenLabs, who shares how his company navigates scaling and research while remaining nimble.Finally, Guy and Simon announce AI Native Dev Con: Spring 2025, and hint at exciting upcoming episodes, rounding out a packed discussion that goes straight to the heart of what matters for AI-native developers today.Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/kjAs_isf-VsJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

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Feb 27, 2025 • 1h 3min
The Future of Audio AI: Insights from Mati Staniszewski of ElevenLabs
Mati Staniszewski, CEO and co-founder of ElevenLabs, shares his journey from frustration with poor dubbing to revolutionizing audio processing. He discusses the technical breakthroughs behind AI voices and the significance of emotional nuance in voice translation. Mati emphasizes the importance of user feedback, community involvement, and a unique decentralized company culture that fosters innovation. The conversation touches on the future of conversational AI and its potential applications in education and personalized learning, making it a treasure trove of insights for tech enthusiasts.

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Feb 19, 2025 • 36min
Building the Ultimate AI-Powered Development Environment with Farhath Razzaque
Farhath Razzaque, a freelance AI software engineer, shares his expertise on building effective AI-powered development environments. He discusses his personal development workflow, emphasizing the integration of AI tools like Cursor to boost productivity. Farhath explains how selecting the right AI models is crucial for specific projects and highlights the revival of hackathons, showcasing innovative uses of AI, such as an app for cataloging household items for insurance. His passion for AI reshapes how developers approach their craft.

Feb 11, 2025 • 33min
DeepSeek R1: Ask Me Anything - Open Weights, MoE innovations, Model Distillation and more!
Join Simon Maple as he hosts a compelling discussion at the State of Open Con, featuring Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, Guy Podjarny, Founder and CEO of Tessl, and Richard Sikang Bian, Head of Open Source from Ant Group. This episode delves into the impact of DeepSeek R1, a groundbreaking AI model that has taken the market by storm due to its cost-effective and innovative approach. The panel explores the broader implications for open source AI, discussing legal, ethical, and collaborative aspects. Amanda Brock provides insights into the open source legal frameworks, while Guy Podjarny shares his expertise on transparency and innovation. Richard Sikang Bian offers a unique perspective on company culture and AI development strategies. Tune in to understand how DeepSeek R1 is setting new standards in AI and what the future holds for open source technology.Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

Feb 4, 2025 • 52min
Live Monthly: News on DeepSeek, Stargate, StackBlitz (Bolt.new) funding, prompting, and more
Join hosts Simon Maple and Guy Podjarny in this insightful episode as they discuss the latest trends and innovations in AI technology. Featuring the impressive advancements by DeepSeek, this episode highlights how these new developments are affecting major players like Nvidia and altering the AI landscape. The hosts also explore the significant investments in AI infrastructure and discuss the shifting role of developers in an AI-driven world. With expert insights from industry leaders, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of AI.Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

Jan 28, 2025 • 57min
RAG beats Fine-Tuning in learning your code base - but it doesn't make AI a better developer -Founder of Augment, Guy Gur-Ari explains
In this episode of the AI Native Dev podcast, hosts Guy Podjarny, and Dion Almaer are joined by Guy Gur-Ari, co-founder of Augment. Guy Gur-Ari has a rich background in the tech industry, notably having worked at Google, where he gained significant experience with large language models (LLMs). His tenure at Google saw him involved in the transition from vision models to language models, including the development of groundbreaking tools like the Codex model. With a focus on AI-powered solutions, Guy Gur-Ari's work has been pivotal in advancing AI's role in software development, making him a voice of trust and authority in the field. The discussion in this episode dives into the creation and benefits of AI-powered coding assistants and tools, exploring how they enhance developer productivity and the future of software development with AI.Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/McsKNfWPsUMJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io

Jan 21, 2025 • 42min
Adapting your team culture for AI: DevOps Lessons Learned with Hannah Foxwell
In this episode of the AI Native Dev podcast, Simon Maple is joined by Hannah Foxwell, an independent consultant with significant experience in platform engineering, security, and AI. Hannah shares her journey from a release manager to leadership roles at Snyk and VMware, revealing her deep insights into the parallels between DevOps and AI adoption. As a community leader and event organizer, Hannah offers valuable perspectives on the cultural shifts necessary for embracing AI in development teams. Discover how AI is impacting both seasoned and novice developers, the importance of overcoming skepticism, and the future role of AI in software development.Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/jGgqYLSLs8QJoin the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.io