MSP Business School

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com 2:19 Robb kicks things off by discussing how you can really get into AI, and he suggests using Chat GPT. He goes on to explain how simple yet incredibly valuable AI can be, saving you a ton of time. However, he also highlights a common stumbling block - improper use of prompts that hinders many from harnessing AI's full potential. 8:05 Tim raises a valid question about the downsides of systems like ChatGPT, and Robb addresses some of the issues and limitations he's come across. Robb also mentions that many companies are working on developing their own private AI models to avoid some of these pitfalls.  14:52 Tim brings up the topic of AI regulation, expressing his concern about the lack of regulation in this field. He points out that this is indeed a complex issue. Robb offers an example of how AI, like ChatGPT, could potentially claim ownership of content you've worked hard on. Brian chimes in and talks about the challenges in regulating AI and its effects. 17:01 Brian shifts the conversation to deepfakes, noting their incredible yet somewhat unsettling potential. Robb agrees with Brian and mentions examples like Descript and D-ID AI, which he found to be impressive.  19:16 Brian then looks ahead to the future of AI. Robb shares his insights, anticipating significant AI developments in the next two years, such as AI making prospecting calls. Tim adds that he envisions a future where we can have meaningful conversations with AI, where they assist people, gather reactions, handle objections, and even train individuals.

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Guest Gar Whaley  linkedin.com/in/garwhaley/ Don Sauer linkedin.com/in/donsauer Reid Johnston linkedin.com/in/reidjohnston/ Company:  TealTech tealtech.com Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com Don Sauer  Took a more direct path to acquiring nearly 35 years of IT expertise. It began in the US Navy, where he first worked on computer-controlled weapons systems. From there he amassed diverse IT experience in every kind of industry and organization, public-sector and private, startup to large-scale enterprise. Each presented unique challenges and allowed Don to develop a rare diversity of perspectives when it comes to designing and deploying IT solutions, and it never obscured Don’s focus on learning what’s best for a specific business, agency, or organization. Gar Whaley  Gar Whaley, Aligned cofounder, always knew he wanted to run his own business. As technologically savvy as he is today, he honed his customer-centric business philosophy in the restaurant industry. Though he found satisfaction in owning a successful franchise, this experience introduced him to computer systems. Gar realized how beneficial appropriate IT solutions could be for other small businesses. This realization led him into the technology sector over 25 years ago, during the dot-com boom. Reid Johnston TechGen Consulting, Inc. was founded by Reid in 2000 as a sole proprietorship and later incorporated in 2002. Before starting TechGen, Reid worked as a web application developer, with a passion for problem-solving and working with people. A technology enthusiast from a very early age, Reid dismantled and rebuilt computers before finishing elementary school. He holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Entrepreneurial Management from the Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota. 1:33 Gar Whaley kicks things off by sharing how he, Don, and Reid started working together and what their current projects are. Then, Reid speaks on why choosing to merge was a game-changer, not just for him personally but for their company too. And Don chimes in, explaining how their teamwork is a win-win, allowing them to serve their clients even more effectively." 12:05 Tim throws a curveball, asking, "What caught you off guard during the merger?" Don doesn't hold back and spills the beans about a client bailing just four days before the settlement. It was a gut punch, but thanks to their strong bond, they saw it as a mere speed bump on their journey. 16:33 Reid chimes in with his response to Tim's query. He admits that navigating the varying communication styles and practices between their merging companies posed a real challenge. They knew it would be par for the course, but they're committed to smoothing out these wrinkles as they move forward. 18:10 Gar delves into why and how their merger hit the bullseye. The fact that they had remarkably similar tech stacks and product offerings was a major win. What's more, sharing nearly identical core values, makes the merger feel like a walk in the park. 23:29 Reid gives a bit of advice to those who are planning on doing a merger or acquisition to have partners you can trust. Gar says that having an entrepreneurial mindset is also one of the keys which Brian agrees.

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/    Guest   Frank Raimondi linkedin.com/in/frankraimondi  Matthew Koenig linkedin.com/in/mkkoenig  Company: Nodeware® https://nodeware.com/  Hosts  Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoyl...  Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-roge...  Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/  Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com  OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com   2:23 Matthew shares how he started his MSP journey. Interestingly, he was in a band before and even played for Disney! He shares that similar to a lot of people in the industry, he also started as a salesperson and he kind of drifted to specializing in MSP. Frank also shares his background and experiences with some notable companies such as Apple, Intel, and more. 13:30 Matt and Frank discuss their integration with vCIOToolbox.  17:31 Frank discusses the concept of Cyber hygiene and how it relates to compliance and GRC. He simplifies the idea of cyber hygiene, emphasizing its relevance to anyone navigating the digital landscape. He also talks about vulnerability management.  19:48 Brian addresses the impacts of the changes on the end user. He observes that in the current landscape, there's a noticeable shift in emphasis, with cyber liability taking center stage over the traditionally dominant concerns related to regulatory adherence and compliance. This shift reflects a growing recognition of the evolving digital risks and the increasing need to address them comprehensively. 22:12 To wrap up the podcast, Brian provides valuable insights into the functionality of vCIOToolbox and explains how its seamless integration with Nodeware can bring significant benefits to end users.  

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com 2:11 Tim kicks things off by mentioning that there are various paths to making a transition. He then shares a story about how he and Robb got their transition journey underway, offering some friendly advice on how to go about hiring more folks and what initial steps you should take when thinking about making a switch. Afterward, Robb chimes in on Brian's question about the ideal timing for bringing in a sales rep, pondering whether it's best to do it before you commit to a transition or afterward. 8:57 When talking about sales reps, Tim points out that if someone's doing well within the MSP community, they really know their stuff. However, he also emphasizes that it's not a one-person show. Having a solid sales engineer and a good process working behind the scenes is just as important. 11:00 When Brian reflects on the most memorable onboarding experiences, he fondly recalls receiving gifts, but what stood out was that these gifts weren't just for the new sales reps themselves—they were actually thoughtful gestures for their spouses or partners. He also brings up some other awesome practices that he found really valuable during onboarding. 16:00 Robb jumps in and gives a full list of what to do and how to properly onboard a new sales rep. Brian and Tim add their two cents by sharing one of their memorable experiences.  20:00 Returning to the key question about shifting towards owner-led sales, Brian explains that having a great sales rep has a direct impact on your sales. It's crucial to consider how these reps communicate with the team, their people skills, and how they handle interactions with others, as this reflects how they treat your company's customers.  

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Guest Name: Bobby Jacobs https://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbyjacobs/ Company: Thread https://www.getthread.com/about-us Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoyl... Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-roge...  Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com Bobby Jacobs is the Head of Growth at Thread. It has previously sold refurbished HP products on AIM. Prior to Thread, Bobby was an early employee at Liongard where he helped MSPs increase their security, efficiencies, and profit. Bobby is also the 2nd Grade Biggest Smile Winner. 3:15 – Bobby tells us more about himself and how he ended himself in the strange world of MSP. He loves the MSP space. When he was first at Liongard, he introduced many of his friends to the MSP space. He is also an undergraduate entrepreneur. He was looking for his next opportunity, and a mentor of his knew a person who owned a company in Houston that resold and refurbished IT hardware. For around 30 years, this company has been reselling compact items. 7:48 – Brian claims that all of them have specialized knowledge and are mostly attempting to teach a person how to fish out here. He adds that he, Robb, and Tim were all from that area and that he sought to take what little of it they accomplished and figure out a way to share it with others. 8:45 – Tim emphasizes that there are a lot of vendors in the space that came specifically from the MSP world. He also states that they do not need to begin in the MSP community, but it does make the transfer into the vendor market much easier. 14:46 – Bobby states that he was been really cool about what happened a year ago now. They held a weekend hackathon to begin utilizing open AI, which generated discussion. As a result, they developed the first iteration of their automated time input application and gave their AI service the name co-pilot. 20:34 – Brian indicates that the applications are endless. Robb and Tim have discussed it from a sales perspective. He also says that they are investigating how they may help with investigations by understanding the responses that have been supplied globally. 21:25 – Robb places a bet with Bobby for the first time in years that there will be more AI firms with cybersecurity concepts out there, and that vendors with AI front and center will outnumber vendors with cybersecurity front and center.

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Guest Name: Karla Reffold https://www.linkedin.com/in/karlareffold/ Company: Orpheus Cyber https://orpheus-cyber.com/ Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com Karla is the COO of Orpheus Cyber. Orpheus is a threat intelligence company with a SAAS platform that helps organizations manage their own risk, and that of their third parties, with an easy-to-understand cyber risk score. Prior to joining Orpheus, Karla founded the international recruitment business, BeecherMadden before overseeing their acquisition by Nicoll Curtin. As a Director for Nicoll Curtin, she expanded the company further before moving to the US to accelerate the growth of the American business. 2:55 – Karla shares her background and how she got involved with the MSP Marketplace. She made a shout-out to Mark of Appgate saying he is the person who opened the MSP door for her and introduced her to a variety of people, events, and other activities. 7:47 – Brian appreciates Karla's observation. Brian also emphasizes that the MSP market is starting to realize the importance of security. He also poses a question about Third-Party Risk and the matrix to be shared with the customer.  15:16 – Karla states that she was amazed to be able to watch teams go from one head of information security who couldn't obtain a budget to teams of 10 to 20 or more.  18:29 – Brian claims that even threats are constantly evolving, therefore they require the support of someone who can remain on top of it for them since MSP owners and teams already have too many responsibilities. He also asks Karla about MSPs collaborating with customers to help vendors better.  20:15 – Tim mentioned that he and Robb work more on the sales side, and he thinks that it'll be game-changing to find new ways to show vulnerabilities to prospects and ways that they can help.   

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Guest Name: Nick Wolf https://www.linkedin.com/in/wolfnick/  Company: Evo Security https://www.evosecurity.com/ Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com Nick is the Director of Partner Acquisition at Evo Security, an Identity and access Management vendor for MSPs and MSSPs. Previously he worked at Datto for 9 years as one of their first employees and helped grow the company from being a startup to a successful exit of over $1 Billion. He also helped launch SKOUT Cybersecurity, an XDR vendor for MSSPs that was later acquired by Barracuda Networks in 2021.  3:31 Nick Wolf opens up about himself. He shares that he’s been in the MSP industry for 13 years and he started way back in high school. He also talks about what he does and what his company offers. 7:41 Brian inquires about Nick's most memorable tales from the cyber world, prompting Nick to share some interesting and unforgettable experiences. In addition, Nick emphasizes the critical significance of identity protection in today's digital landscape. 12:06 Tim queries Nick about the company's aspirations for the next two to three years. Nick shares some of their future plans, collaborations, and partnerships. He also talks about how their products are revolutionizing the security industry. 18:49 Robb inquires about Nick's journey into Evo, to which Nick recounts how it all began through a LinkedIn connection with the CEO. Robb further expresses astonishment at the rapid growth of the company, noting that Evo has expanded its size by a remarkable factor in a relatively short span of time.

Challenge: We’d love to hear your pitches! If you can, send us a video of you, and let’s have a pitch dissection series here at MSP Business School! Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoyl... Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-roge... Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com  2:56 Brian introduces the topic of how to make elevated and effective pitches for MSP. Robb offers his perspective on the matter saying he has an advantage on this, given that their company offers a product that formulates concise 30-second pitches for clients. Nevertheless, he emphasizes that the dynamic changes when you're under the pressure of a ticking timer, underscoring the critical importance of preparedness and diligent practice. 4:30 Brian reflects on his past experiences in delivering sales pitches, pinpointing the challenge of condensing and selecting key elements within a timed presentation. Robb agrees with Brian saying that Tim and he even allotted 170 hours just to perfect the two decks they've meticulously crafted. Tim talks about how he did his 60-second pitch and shares some techniques. 12:49 Tim and Robb answer the question “What should an MSP think about when crafting a pitch?”. Brian also added how important getting into the hook part fast when giving a pitch. 18:40 Robb probes Brian with a thought-provoking question: Which is the more intimidating challenge, the investor pitch or the MSP pitch? Brian responds candidly, and Robb, drawing from his own experiences, acknowledges the significant stress associated with these endeavors.  

EP 165 - Sales Trend & Insights with Allison Trisko and Charlie Farris 1:15 Robb introduces the two guests, Charlie and Allison. They are both from OSR Manage. 1:58 Charlie talks about how Managed Service Providers (MSPs) can contribute to the efficient operation of a business.  He also gives an example of how club members get membership in exchange for “protecting Member data" which indicates the importance of maintaining the privacy and security of sensitive member information. Since club members invest a significant amount of money for their membership privileges, it's crucial to safeguard their data and ensure a secure environment. 4:35 Tim pitches in and says there is a potential role for MSPs in the business, e.g., golf course. Even though colleges or universities might not be the primary targets for MSPs, it's still valuable for MSPs to explore opportunities in such diverse industries.  9:23 Tim highlights the growing acceptance of co-management, drawing parallels between industries with diverse revenue streams, and emphasizing the strategy of entering through specialized aspects and then expanding within different industries. 12:22 Charlie emphasizes how the specialized approach of MSPs in the country club industry is bringing about positive changes in how these clubs operate. When the MSPs effectively demonstrate the value they can provide, it leads to improved business processes, and this shift is more likely to occur when the clubs recognize the need for improvement and solutions to their challenges. 14:28 Allison discusses how contracts with private golf courses and MSPs work similarly to other businesses. It also encourages the idea of reaching out to golf courses beyond your immediate area, as there might be broader opportunities through associated courses in different states, which could potentially be served remotely. The importance of identifying challenges and building relationships is emphasized.

Show Website: https://mspbusinessschool.com/ Guest Name: Taher Hamid https://www.linkedin.com/in/taherhishamhamid/ Company: MSP Camp https://msp-camp.com/ Hosts Brian Doyle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandoylemetathinq/ Robb Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robb-rogers-07415251/ Tim McNeil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmcneil3/ Sponsors vCIOToolbox: https://vciotoolbox.com OSR Manage: https://osrmanage.com 3:45 - Taher Hamid introduces himself. He talks about how they started with three people but now they have over 28 staff in a state-of-the-art building with amazing facilities. 6:53 -  Robb asks about the number one mistake made during his first year. His biggest mistake, he says, was not learning enough. He also discusses how long it took him to land his first major client. Taher further explains how producing relevant content and attending various events may help with marketing.  10:18 - Taher discusses the MSP Camp and how helpful it would have been if he had known about it when he was just starting out. He also highlights how detailed and particular social media content should be in order to have a successful campaign. 16:33 When it comes to marketing, Brian agrees with Taher. Marketing should concentrate on "what do they care about?"". Robb adds that engaging in social media is also highly important. Tim expresses his observation that many MSPs do not have marketing staff or outsource marketing to a marketing business but do not devote enough effort to it.  19:37 Taher points out how important time is in marketing, “time is a strategy”. 22:05 Taher talks about MSP Camp and what to do if you want to join in one.