

Good Bad Billionaire
BBC World Service
How did the richest people on the planet make their billions? From Selena Gomez to Jeff Bezos, and now we find out about five dead billionaires. Meet pioneers who helped build the United States of America: the world’s first billionaire John D Rockefeller, motor magnate Henry Ford, the aviator and filmmaker Howard Hughes, Walmart founder Sam Walton, and Hetty Green - once dubbed “The Witch of Wall Street”. These iconic billionaires may be long dead, but their fingerprints are all over modern industry - in business trusts, IPOs, and mass production. They did it all first, but how did they make their billions?
Good Bad Billionaire is the podcast that analyses the minds, motives and money of some of the world's wealthiest individuals. Simon and Zing explore the lives of the super-rich and famous, tracking their wealth, philanthropy, business ethics and success. From iconic celebrities and secretive CEOs to sporting legends and titans of technology, Simon and Zing find out how they made their money, and then it’s over to you to decide whether they’re good, bad, or just another billionaire.
Ever wondered how Taylor Swift went from country singer to money-spinner? How Amazon boss Jeff Bezos came to launch one of the biggest corporations of the internet age? And how six-time NBA champion Michael Jordan made his fortune with Nike? Trawl through the archives to find out how Selena Gomez went from a child Disney star to a mega-magnate of makeup and how Martha Stewart, the “original lifestyle influencer” became one of the most successful women in business. We explore the life of British inventor James Dyson and learn about some of the big names behind Minecraft, Marvel, WWE and the ultimate reality TV show – Big Brother.
Join us on a global journey, discovering all we can about some of the richest people on the planet. In the United States, there are leaders who made their money in Silicon Valley, on Wall Street and in high street fashion. Hear about billionaires in Russia, China, New Zealand, India, Nigeria and the UK. Exploring the lives of Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, El Chapo, Narayana Murthy and Kim Kardashian, this podcast paints a vivid picture of business, entrepreneurship, capitalism and how our world really works.
Discover how the likes of Jerry Seinfeld, Peter Jackson, Doris Fisher and George Soros came to join the billionaires' club. Learn how Tiger Woods went from a child golfing prodigy to the world’s highest paid athlete, how a communist mime artist became the boss of fashion house Prada and how Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich came to buy an English football club. Find out how Mukesh Ambani became Asia’s richest person, and how Patrice Motsepe became the first black billionaire in a post-apartheid South Africa. Plus, we examine some of the biggest names behind the technology shaping our world – the founders of TikTok, Google, ChatGPT, Alibaba and Bumble.
But it's not just how these billionaires made their money; it's what they did with it next. Ultimately, Simon and Zing will help you decide whether they’re a force for good, bad, or somewhere in between. Join Simon Jack, the business editor for BBC News, and journalist and author Zing Tsjeng as this podcast unravels tales of fortune, power, economics, ambition and moral responsibility, ultimately inviting you to make up your own mind: are they good, bad, or just another billionaire?
We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire
Good Bad Billionaire is the podcast that analyses the minds, motives and money of some of the world's wealthiest individuals. Simon and Zing explore the lives of the super-rich and famous, tracking their wealth, philanthropy, business ethics and success. From iconic celebrities and secretive CEOs to sporting legends and titans of technology, Simon and Zing find out how they made their money, and then it’s over to you to decide whether they’re good, bad, or just another billionaire.
Ever wondered how Taylor Swift went from country singer to money-spinner? How Amazon boss Jeff Bezos came to launch one of the biggest corporations of the internet age? And how six-time NBA champion Michael Jordan made his fortune with Nike? Trawl through the archives to find out how Selena Gomez went from a child Disney star to a mega-magnate of makeup and how Martha Stewart, the “original lifestyle influencer” became one of the most successful women in business. We explore the life of British inventor James Dyson and learn about some of the big names behind Minecraft, Marvel, WWE and the ultimate reality TV show – Big Brother.
Join us on a global journey, discovering all we can about some of the richest people on the planet. In the United States, there are leaders who made their money in Silicon Valley, on Wall Street and in high street fashion. Hear about billionaires in Russia, China, New Zealand, India, Nigeria and the UK. Exploring the lives of Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, El Chapo, Narayana Murthy and Kim Kardashian, this podcast paints a vivid picture of business, entrepreneurship, capitalism and how our world really works.
Discover how the likes of Jerry Seinfeld, Peter Jackson, Doris Fisher and George Soros came to join the billionaires' club. Learn how Tiger Woods went from a child golfing prodigy to the world’s highest paid athlete, how a communist mime artist became the boss of fashion house Prada and how Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich came to buy an English football club. Find out how Mukesh Ambani became Asia’s richest person, and how Patrice Motsepe became the first black billionaire in a post-apartheid South Africa. Plus, we examine some of the biggest names behind the technology shaping our world – the founders of TikTok, Google, ChatGPT, Alibaba and Bumble.
But it's not just how these billionaires made their money; it's what they did with it next. Ultimately, Simon and Zing will help you decide whether they’re a force for good, bad, or somewhere in between. Join Simon Jack, the business editor for BBC News, and journalist and author Zing Tsjeng as this podcast unravels tales of fortune, power, economics, ambition and moral responsibility, ultimately inviting you to make up your own mind: are they good, bad, or just another billionaire?
We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire
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Sep 23, 2024 • 46min
Sam Altman: ChatGPT and the AI revolution
How is freshly minted billionaire Sam Altman shaping our future through his company OpenAI and ChatGPT? He made his fortune by investing in huge tech start-ups like Reddit and Airbnb, before turning his attention to artificial intelligence - being fired and re-hired by his own company in the process. Altman believes that OpenAI, with him in charge, can make the world a better place. Yet he’s also preparing for the apocalypse, just in case AI turns on its creators and attacks humanity. BBC business editor Simon Jack and journalist Zing Tsjeng tell the story of Sam Altman - the first openly gay billionaire on the podcast so far - before deciding whether they think he’s good, bad, or just another billionaire.We’d love to hear your feedback. Email goodbadbillionaire@bbc.com or drop us a text or WhatsApp to +1 (917) 686-1176. To find out more about the show and read our privacy notice, visit www.bbcworldservice.com/goodbadbillionaire

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Sep 16, 2024 • 47min
Zhang Yiming: TikTok’s tech boss
Discover the fascinating journey of Zhang Yiming, the mastermind behind TikTok, as he navigates the tech landscape. From his humble beginnings as a software engineer to creating a social media sensation, his story is filled with challenges and triumphs. The discussion highlights TikTok's profound impact on youth culture and the ethical dilemmas it faces. Delve into the controversies surrounding data privacy and the addictive nature of short-form videos while exploring Yiming's philanthropic efforts and the complexities of his legacy in the tech world.

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Sep 9, 2024 • 34min
Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw: Beer, brewing and biotech
Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw, India’s first self-made female billionaire, built her pharmaceutical empire Biocon after initially failing in the brewing industry. She shares her journey from childhood in a brewery compound to facing gender bias as a pioneer in biotech. Discover how she navigated challenges, pivoted to producing insulin, and became a global figure in pharmaceuticals. The discussion also touches on her philanthropic efforts in cancer care sparked by personal experiences, revealing the heart behind her success.

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Sep 2, 2024 • 46min
George Soros: 'The man who broke the Bank of England'
George Soros, a legendary investor and philanthropist, reflects on his journey from escaping Nazi-occupied Hungary to becoming a financial titan. He shares the thrilling story of how he made a billion dollars in a single day by shorting the British pound, an act that earned him the title of 'the man who broke the Bank of England.' The conversation dives into the ethical dilemmas of investing, his philosophical influences, and the duality of his legacy, exploring how he balances being a notorious billionaire with his impactful charitable efforts.

Aug 26, 2024 • 37min
Jerry Seinfeld: The world’s richest comedian
Jerry Seinfeld, a legendary comedian and the creative force behind one of TV's most successful sitcoms, shares his journey from stand-up to billionaire status. He delves into his lifelong obsession with comedy and how streaming syndication skyrocketed his wealth. Transcendental meditation, navigating personal grief, and his unique approach to acting are all part of the recipe for his success. The conversation touches on his iconic sitcom's cultural impact and Seinfeld's legacy in reshaping the comedy landscape, posing the question of whether he embodies a 'good billionaire'.

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Aug 19, 2024 • 46min
Peter Jackson: Lord of the Films
Join Peter Jackson, the visionary director behind the iconic Lord of the Rings films, as he shares his remarkable journey from childhood movie obsessions to becoming a billionaire filmmaker. Discover how his innovative work in special effects led to the founding of Weta Digital and the challenges he faced bringing Middle-earth to life. Explore Jackson's bold decision to film the trilogy all at once and the transformative impact his work has had on New Zealand's film industry, along with his unique spending habits and philanthropic efforts.

Aug 12, 2024 • 41min
Miuccia Prada: ‘Ugly fashion’
Discover the fascinating journey of Miuccia Prada, from a reluctant fashion novice to a billionaire icon of ‘ugly fashion.’ Explore how her innovative designs challenged conventional beauty and reshaped the luxury market. Delve into her strategic investments that transformed brands like Gucci and the incredible rise of her own empire. The discussion also highlights the ethical dilemmas in fashion philanthropy, offering a glimpse into Miuccia's impact on both style and society as she nears retirement.

Aug 5, 2024 • 47min
Sergey Brin: Googling billions
In this discussion, Sergey Brin, the tech titan who co-founded Google, shares his fascinating journey from a Jewish immigrant in Russia to a pioneering billionaire. The conversation unveils his innovative partnership with Larry Page and the dynamic culture of Google, likening it to Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. They also dive into the pivotal role of advertising in Google's success, the complexities of leadership during IPOs, and the ethical challenges surrounding his legacy. Brin's evolution highlights both the triumphs and moral dilemmas of shaping the internet.

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Jul 29, 2024 • 40min
Tiger Woods: Golf’s ‘golden boy’
Simon Jack, a BBC business editor, and journalist Zing Tsjeng delve into the incredible journey of Tiger Woods, a golfing prodigy turned billionaire. They discuss his record 15 major championships and the transformative impact he had on golf's image. Personal challenges, including scandals and car accidents, nearly derailed his career. Together, they explore the complexities of his legacy—how he broke barriers and influenced future players, while also navigating the ups and downs of fame and wealth.

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Mar 26, 2024 • 57min
Mark Zuckerberg: Move fast and get rich
Journalist and BBC editor delve into Mark Zuckerberg's rise from Harvard dropout to billionaire. They discuss his leadership style, strategic acquisitions of Instagram and WhatsApp, controversies like Cambridge Analytica scandal, and his impact on social media and society. Podcast explores Zuckerberg's complex persona and legacy as a 'good' or 'bad' billionaire.